Bernie's numbers. As I understand it, not complete, and obviously not official, but this is what they have. Looks like he won.
Bernie's numbers. As I understand it, not complete, and obviously not official, but this is what they have. Looks like he won.
Pete is claiming his numbers come from 77% of his precinct captains and he's tied with Sanders.
We'll see who was right tomorrow.
American politics is weird.
You have a bunch of people who appear to hate the Democratic party
trying to vote for some who isn't a member of the Democratic party to be leader of the Democratic party
and then getting surprised that the existing members of the Democratic party who have worked for the party for decades aren't massively enthused about this.
This makes no sense. Progressives belong just as much as the "liberal" Democrats.
That's not exactly the Democratic parties problem. Should a party just accept whoever thinks that they are the easy route to power?There are only two viable parties in the US. He's not close to belonging the Republican party. He aligns with Democratic party.
Why should a party not be biased to it's own members? That's the whole idea of a political party in the first place.Surprised at what? They're not exactly surprised at the biasing of the election process that the elites engage in such as the superdelegate "solution" or the manipulation of the debates in 2016 Debbie engaged in.
Pretty much any public talking space involving Bernie supporters will feature a lot of talking about how crooked and awful the Democratic party is.
That's not exactly the Democratic parties problem. Should a party just accept whoever thinks that they are the easy route to power?
Why should a party not be biased to it's own members? That's the whole idea of a political party in the first place.
Ya know, it's kinda hard to trust the Democratic party with complex issues like healthcare reform when they can't even seem to get a simple voting app working.
The only "winner" from this debacle was Trump.
This debacle only reinforces my opinions that:
1) Caucuses are stupid and Iowa being first is bad.
2) All voting should be done by mail using ranked choice.
Just have a fucking primary already where everybody votes at the same time so we aren't subjected to months of inane Iowa coverage about who's going to win the hearts and minds of Americans in about the least diverse state we can find.
agreed.
First in the world we currently live in no “app” or internet “thing” should be used for votes or vote counting
Second there should be a backup plan, why States consistently screw this up is inexcusable
Finally I wonder what the odds are they were hacked to cause confusion.
with amongst the lowest voter turnout too....
Ya know, it's kinda hard to trust the Democratic party with complex issues like healthcare reform when they can't even seem to get a simple voting app working.
The only "winner" from this debacle was Trump.
I 100% disagree. I think primaries should be chucked. Chosen candidates should reflect the preferences of party (the people who get off their asses and show up to support their candidate). Why should a person who doesn't do crap but vote every two or four years have any say in how a party selects their candidates. The primary system promoted tribalism without substance. I want the party members to pick each party's candidates. Caucuses force party members to talk to each other and figure out what the party platform really should be and organize around it. If the members find that they have no common basis to be a party, that's fine. They can split and reform as parties based on shared priorities. The voting app idea is counter productive to this essential face-to-face discussion of policy and candidates and should never have been even tried.Caucuses should be thrown on the trash heap along with odd year elections.
I 100% disagree. I think primaries should be chucked. Chosen candidates should reflect the preferences of party (the people who get off their asses and show up to support their candidate). Why should a person who doesn't do crap but vote every two or four years have any say in how a party selects their candidates. The primary system promoted tribalism without substance. I want the party members to pick each party's candidates. Caucuses force party members to talk to each other and figure out what the party platform really should be and organize around it. If the members find that they have no common basis to be a party, that's fine. They can split and reform as parties based on shared priorities. The voting app idea is counter productive to this essential face-to-face discussion of policy and candidates and should never have been even tried.
I 100% disagree. I think primaries should be chucked. Chosen candidates should reflect the preferences of party (the people who get off their asses and show up to support their candidate). Why should a person who doesn't do crap but vote every two or four years have any say in how a party selects their candidates. The primary system promoted tribalism without substance. I want the party members to pick each party's candidates. Caucuses force party members to talk to each other and figure out what the party platform really should be and organize around it. If the members find that they have no common basis to be a party, that's fine. They can split and reform as parties based on shared priorities. The voting app idea is counter productive to this essential face-to-face discussion of policy and candidates and should never have been even tried.