Game Day Thread: Iowa Caucuses

Page 19 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,625
12,757
146
I'm getting a sense that the latest explosion of Bernie Bro - anti-Bernie Bro nonsense is being crafted by two guys sharing a cubicle somewhere, getting paid good money, and laughing their butts off. The flux rate of outrage is ridiculous.
No shit, even in this thread... like really? Some random guy I know is calling for *the everyone* to halt donations to Bernie? And I'm supposed to be outraged by this?
 

repoman0

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2010
4,544
3,471
136
I'm getting a sense that the latest explosion of Bernie Bro - anti-Bernie Bro nonsense is being crafted by two guys sharing a cubicle somewhere, getting paid good money, and laughing their butts off. The flux rate of outrage is ridiculous.

It seems like a handful of angry conspiracy theorists on Twitter to me. Thank christ I never signed up for that idiotic site.
 
Reactions: ivwshane

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
24,254
4,077
136
So what can we gain from the Iowa caucuses?

I see a couple safe conclusions we can come to:

Bernie supporters are highly motivated to turn out.
Bernies base isn’t enough for him to clinch the nomination.
Everyone else appears to be going with young and safe.

We’ll see if this continues after New Hampshire.

Bernie supporters are highly motivated to turn out.. for him.. it seems. Which may be a problem come the general.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,810
29,564
146
Until Trump I rarely voted either because it’s mathematically pointless. I do vote now though, not because I think it changes the odds of my preferred candidate winning but because I feel such a sense of revulsion at what Trump represents I feel morally obligated.


It's also why I voted last presidential election (99.989899876% going to Clinton/Democrat in my state)
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,812
49,499
136
Maybe someone can help me figure this out, are the results rigged against Bernie because they weren't released or are the results rigged against Bernie because they released what they had?

I mean we all agree there's a lizard person conspiracy trying to deny Bernie the nomination in the same way he should have gotten the nomination in 2016 despite losing by millions of votes, I'm just trying to make sure I'm clear on which conspiracy is happening.
 
Reactions: Bitek and Zorba

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
24,842
9,088
136
The only conspiracy I can find is that the IDP has been near criminally incompetent in both tabulating the caucus results, and dealing with the aftermath of their data collection process.

Perhaps someone can point me to a reputable link that establishes just what the DNC involvement is in all this? I know they established new reporting guidelines before the caucuses, but I thought that was at the request of Bernie supporters from 2016??
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
35,597
29,300
136
Annnd here's the NH bounce Pete gets for (not) winning the caucus!
Rat-fuck complete.
That looks like Biden supporters went to Booty. I honestly don't see NH residents suddenly changing their minds about Bernie one way or the other based on any results or news stories. They all know exactly who Bernie is and have already made up their minds about whether they like him or not.
 
Reactions: zinfamous and Bitek

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
Superdelegates "solution" and debate schedule manipulation.

The superdelegate system used in 2016 was established & remained unchanged since 1983, iirc. Not once has the convention failed to nominate the candidate with the most pledged delegates. It's a bullshit argument, as are all those claiming poor Bernie was oh-so cheated by the wicked DNC.
 
Reactions: Zorba
Feb 4, 2009
34,703
15,951
136
The superdelegate system used in 2016 was established & remained unchanged since 1983, iirc. Not once has the convention failed to nominate the candidate with the most pledged delegates. It's a bullshit argument, as are all those claiming poor Bernie was oh-so cheated by the wicked DNC.

BTW if I remember correctly today’s Super Delegates have changed via rules Bernie suggested
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
BTW if I remember correctly today’s Super Delegates have changed via rules Bernie suggested

Correct. OTOH, it's perfectly obvious that the 2016 rules created 33 years earlier were not made to cheat poor Bernie. The proposition is absurd. That covers the whole "so cheated!" routine entirely. It's ridiculous.
 
Reactions: Zorba

VRAMdemon

Diamond Member
Aug 16, 2012
6,572
7,823
136
Normalize shitty behavior? Got it.

So...what does the Democratic party do with all these "shitty" people?..sweep them under the rug?..tell them to go fuck themselves?..this worked so well in 2016..The Democrats are going to eventually have to come to grips with the gaining coalition of voters who champion Sanders and Warrens idea's and who want (or have no choice other than 3rd party) to be part of the Democratic party. So..there is no importance to the party of not smearing all Sanders supporters with the behaviors of the worst Sanders supporters?. It's a problem, No?

The problem with Sanders is that, although superior to Trump in every way, there is one characteristic they have in common, their popularity comes from division rather than uniting. He's great as a gad fly, good at telling truth to power. He is his own man, and marches to a different tune, all good qualities in certain circumstances, BUT truth be told he would be a lousy President.

He has shown no ability to build a coalition with people who may not follow his world view. He is an independent rather than a Democrat for exactly that reason, he doesn't seem to want to have to work as part of a team. History indicates the more ideological the senator the harder it is to get other senators to support their bills. That is Bernie Sanders.

If he were to win the general election and become president he would have a hard time getting his plans through congress. He wouldn't have the ability to schmooze, horse trade or otherwise finagle others to go along with his priorities. He's, most likely going to have to work with the Mitch McConnell types -- and he's going to have to convince Republicans that they should be scared of losing their jobs if they don't pass massive tax increases and end private insurance as we know it - rather than realizing that we're all better off with incremental progress than regression at warp speed. Unlike Trump he won't have a party that acts in lockstep receiving orders from a news source with a singular agenda. Democrats from moderate or swing districts aren't necessarily going to fall in line, the result being 4 years of nothing.

Having said all that, I would still crawl a mile over broken glass and dog shit to vote for Sanders over Trump.

To pretend this isn't a problem to the DNC is shortsighted. Sanders is inspiring people to get out and vote. For the Democrats it should be important to get more young people on board than it is for them to worry about when a Bernie supporter might make them mad. Hey..if Democrats are passionate about pushing out his supporters, don't let your passion push away the people your trying to lure in to vote.

At the same time, If Bernie supporters want to have real leverage, they have to try to threaten to sit out the election, or even vote Trump, should Bernie not be the nominee. They think that threat is what gives them clout. Even if deep down they'd vote for the Democrat no matter who he or she may be, they still need to threaten not to do so, outwardly. The "Bernie Bros - Bernie or bust purists" - Let’s see those who support Bernie show some respect for those Democrats who have other preferences without accusing them of sucking corporate dick.

There really is a rift between coalitions within the blue party. Ignore it at your peril.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
Establishment democrats and the DNC are like the trumpsters, there's circumstantial evidence some funny business is going on to suppress certain candidate/information but they decide to keep their head in the sand. It's crazy. It's definitely both sides in this case 😂

I like Bernie (his base is extreme sometimes but I'm not voting for them) as I think he will most likely help Americans who are in most need. But you gotta see wtf is going on to keep him out. It's fucked. In the end, I'd vote anything but Trump but the DNC tends to do what the GOP does all the time, except in a more subtle and self-destructive way.

And precisely what do you see that's trying to keep Bernie out & how is it fucked? What nefarious deeds can you document?
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,685
126
Maybe someone can help me figure this out, are the results rigged against Bernie because they weren't released or are the results rigged against Bernie because they released what they had?

I mean we all agree there's a lizard person conspiracy trying to deny Bernie the nomination in the same way he should have gotten the nomination in 2016 despite losing by millions of votes, I'm just trying to make sure I'm clear on which conspiracy is happening.

Already explained, and not a difficult concept to grasp:

Not a recent tweet; but this can’t really be overstated.


Remember, Bernie supporters are just supposed to just rally behind the corrupt establishment party that rat-fucked them two elections in a row now.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,685
126
Correct. OTOH, it's perfectly obvious that the 2016 rules created 33 years earlier were not made to cheat poor Bernie. The proposition is absurd. That covers the whole "so cheated!" routine entirely. It's ridiculous.

The rules were created so that the party establishment could override the voters. The superdelegates came out in support of Clinton early and that depressed turnout in the rest of the primary since it created a mountain that was essentially impossible for Sanders to climb. At this point anyone that pretends to not understand this is not arguing in good faith.
 
Reactions: DarthKyrie

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,812
49,499
136
The rules were created so that the party establishment could override the voters. The superdelegates came out in support of Clinton early and that depressed turnout in the rest of the primary since it created a mountain that was essentially impossible for Sanders to climb. At this point anyone that pretends to not understand this is not arguing in good faith.

So the knowledge that the outcome was preordained suppressed only Sanders' turnout? Why wouldn't it suppress both? Also, why was he always losing in the polling as well? Did the superdelegates make people not want to tell pollsters they preferred him too? lol.

It's frankly just funny at this point watching you guys spin up ludicrous theories as to why Sanders didn't lose because fewer Democrats wanted him to be the nominee. Surely it must be anything other than he lost because millions and millions more people wanted Clinton to win.
 
Reactions: Zorba

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,685
126
Glad to see you're still Infowars-ing it up, haha. You're acting no better than the Trump crazies you so often criticize.

It’s weird that we agree on so much but you fight me so much more than you fight the people we both oppose.

Cool, so we can look forward to another day of you veering between calling me Alex Jones or a Trump crazy, and then whining that "you fight me".
 
Reactions: cirrrocco
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |