Game Day Thread: Iowa Caucuses

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Blackjack200

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For someone who claims to be liberal/progressive/left of whoever this statement of yours is in incredibly poor taste. Can you grow up and discuss things like an adult? You were asked specifically what you hated about his politics and have proceeded to produce one non-response after another.

What policies does he have in his platform that you disagree with? What does not advocate for that you wish he would? Instead of emotional ranting about his sexuality you should be able to answer these simple questions.

Or is his problem he isn't Bernie regardless of his positions?

I already explained my opposition to Pete, but I don't expect you to get it.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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That's not a lifestyle. My point is that his lifestyle is very straight-laced. When you say "openly homosexual lifestyle" that evokes promiscuous and demonstrative behavior. That's not what pete is.

IMO, you would do well to discard the compartment you've built for this. He's openly homosexual, he doesn't hide it, he doesn't have a wife and some kids and a dude on the side. Openly homosexual lifestyle, in my neck of the woods, does not mean the same thing as it does to you. The phrase means he's not ashamed and pretending to be something he's not, he's not gonna apologize for it, or deny it when someone asks. Your take on the phrase is definitely based on stereotyping homosexuals as sexual deviants that are wicked and immoral.

Because corruption is fine when your guy does it, but not the other guy.

That's not really describing or providing information as to why utilizing the DCO program run by our military branches for what appears to be a large number of different types of roles to fill would be the same as Trumps lifelong history of corruption.

I mean, I get you think the DCO program is corrupt, but I'm not sure why. It seems that you think it's corrupt because people use it to pad their resume. Is it corrupt only when you want it to be, or when anyone enlists thru the DCO?

Pete can't even fend off attacks from Amy Klobuchar.

Based on the numbers, it hasn't seemed like he's had to. I hope others keep attacking him, that means they're scared of him. Plus it will get him used to it.

I'm glad you voted for Bernie in 2016 and I hope you do again. I'm just sharing what I find odious about Mayor Pete.

That's fine, just more information would be nice.
 
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fskimospy

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Resoundingly incorrect. A "Real court" where "trials" happen, would have also included witnesses.

it's any wonder that the Republicans refused to call any of the witnesses that they claimed could refute all of the evidence.

I wonder why that is? Apparently you don't care.

lol that you think we could believe you aren't a trumphumper.

It's funny how they want to have it not be like a criminal court where the defendant can block incriminating evidence against them but then want to apply the standards of a criminal court when determining guilt or innocence.

It's almost as if they are engaging in motivated reasoning or something.
 
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Jhhnn

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It meant that IMO his conservative detractors are guaranteed to focus a good amount of attention on his openly homosexual lifestyle, as it will certainly sway voters

I haven't seen this debunked yet, but its a good example of what he'll face.

I agree. Mainstream America isn't ready for an openly gay President regardless of his politics. Slime? You ain't seen slime, son. Imagining it to be any other way would be foolish. I'll vote for him but all too many people won't. Maybe in 20 years.
 

fskimospy

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I agree. Mainstream America isn't ready for an openly gay President regardless of his politics. Slime? You ain't seen slime, son. Imagining it to be any other way would be foolish. I'll vote for him but all too many people won't. Maybe in 20 years.

You could certainly be right but people did say the exact same thing about Obama.

I also don't think we should make too big a deal out of a good showing in one state that was among his most advantageous.
 

dank69

Lifer
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So now that Pete officially got the most votes, does that mean Bernie was the one doing the ratfucking? Or did the DNC alter the results to help Pete? Need someone to tell me where I should direct my outrage.
 

brycejones

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So now that Pete officially got the most votes, does that mean Bernie was the one doing the ratfucking? Or did the DNC alter the results to help Pete? Need someone to tell me where I should direct my outrage.
Hillary Clinton was in the backroom marking ballots for Mayor Pete personally to thwart Bernie. No matter what happens its always the Clintons. Keeps the Berrnie Bros and the GOP happy.
 
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Hillary Clinton was in the backroom marking ballots for Mayor Pete personally to thwart Bernie. No matter what happens its always the Clintons. Keeps the Berrnie Bros and the GOP happy.

I know the Hillary obsession is so over played. She’s not running for office.
Why on Earth would she rig a caucus for Pete instead of Biden? Makes no sense.
Also aren’t caucuses done by head count as in there isn’t any paper? Personally I hate the system but how do you modify head counts of who is standing in which corner or line? If the vote was supposed to be 75% for Bernie wouldn’t everyone say 75% of the people were in Bernie’s corner?
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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IMO, you would do well to discard the compartment you've built for this. He's openly homosexual, he doesn't hide it, he doesn't have a wife and some kids and a dude on the side. Openly homosexual lifestyle, in my neck of the woods, does not mean the same thing as it does to you. The phrase means he's not ashamed and pretending to be something he's not, he's not gonna apologize for it, or deny it when someone asks. Your take on the phrase is definitely based on stereotyping homosexuals as sexual deviants that are wicked and immoral.

No because I don't consider demonstrative or promiscuous behavior to be deviant, wicked, or immoral. That your baggage.

That's not really describing or providing information as to why utilizing the DCO program run by our military branches for what appears to be a large number of different types of roles to fill would be the same as Trumps lifelong history of corruption.

I mean, I get you think the DCO program is corrupt, but I'm not sure why. It seems that you think it's corrupt because people use it to pad their resume. Is it corrupt only when you want it to be, or when anyone enlists thru the DCO?

You're just being obtuse at this point. The question is not if the DCO program is legit just as the question with Trump isn't if there were legitimate medical deferrals for Vietnam. Of course there were. We can make judgements in individual cases.

Based on the numbers, it hasn't seemed like he's had to. I hope others keep attacking him, that means they're scared of him. Plus it will get him used to it.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

That's fine, just more information would be nice.

I gave you the information. If his cynical, corrupt behavior does not convince you, there's nothing else I can provide.
 

fskimospy

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So now that Pete officially got the most votes, does that mean Bernie was the one doing the ratfucking? Or did the DNC alter the results to help Pete? Need someone to tell me where I should direct my outrage.

But surely their interpretation of who was wronged when Pete turned out to win will be the same as when they thought Bernie had won!

lol.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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So now that Pete officially got the most votes, does that mean Bernie was the one doing the ratfucking? Or did the DNC alter the results to help Pete? Need someone to tell me where I should direct my outrage.

Yup you're right the party is full of Bernie people, not people trying to stop him great job. Also the votes were definitely counted fairly.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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No because I don't consider demonstrative or promiscuous behavior to be deviant, wicked, or immoral. That your baggage.

Yes, in a way it is, in the same it's America's. I was raised with the same sentiments I just described, as a strict Evangelical.

Either way, I change my perspective and changed how I interpreted these words match what I encountered in the world outside of religion (which was my life until the end of high school)

The way you perceive those words are the way that many Americans still do.


You're just being obtuse at this point. The question is not if the DCO program is legit just as the question with Trump isn't if there were legitimate medical deferrals for Vietnam. Of course there were. We can make judgements in individual cases.

Ok, what specifically about his use of the DCO program would you consider corrupt, and how would you compare that to a 70 YO grifters life of corruptions. Or you can just use Trump's bone spurs to compare. Up to you.


I gave you the information. If his cynical, corrupt behavior does not convince you, there's nothing else I can provide.

See above, so far you've offer your opinions and conjectures.
 

cirrrocco

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Yup you're right the party is full of Bernie people, not people trying to stop him great job. Also the votes were definitely counted fairly.


You are doing the good fight here but I have kinda given up.

We had the same bunch of clown previously denigrating TG's military service and now commending Pete for his service. some even here previously called her service 'she was in a non combat zone'.. etc etc.

A lot of the one liner warriors here are rooting for the corrupt Corporate Dems. It has worked well for society so far. [sarc]
 

K1052

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They will of course probably say that regardless of what the Democratic plan is

This is sort of the problem with Trump/Republicans calling everything socialism for several years. The attack has lost whatever punch it had regardless of people's nuanced policy preferences. At the end of the day the choice for almost everyone is going to come down to Trump or not-Trump.
 

Jhhnn

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Yup you're right the party is full of Bernie people, not people trying to stop him great job. Also the votes were definitely counted fairly.

Yeh, whenever Bernie doesn't win it's because there's a conspiracy against him. And when Buttigieg introduces Chasten Glezman as his husband, that's not openly gay.
 

Maxima1

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So now that Pete officially got the most votes, does that mean Bernie was the one doing the ratfucking? Or did the DNC alter the results to help Pete? Need someone to tell me where I should direct my outrage.

Is it? I just saw both campaigns wanted a partial recanvas.

Anyway, Bernie couldn't be doing that, since everyone said Pete was winning anyway. Or at worst ineffective. If you want to know the truth, they clearly screwed Bernie! because Bernie won pop/final alignment, yet he's coming second in the establishment metric.
 

Jhhnn

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You are doing the good fight here but I have kinda given up.

We had the same bunch of clown previously denigrating TG's military service and now commending Pete for his service. some even here previously called her service 'she was in a non combat zone'.. etc etc.

A lot of the one liner warriors here are rooting for the corrupt Corporate Dems. It has worked well for society so far. [sarc]

Warren isn't a corrupt corporate Dem by any stretch of the imagination.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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Yes, in a way it is, in the same it's America's. I was raised with the same sentiments I just described, as a strict Evangelical.

Either way, I change my perspective and changed how I interpreted these words

No problem, apology accepted.

Ok, what specifically about his use of the DCO program would you consider corrupt, and how would you compare that to a 70 grifters life of corruptions

"What specifically about Trump's use of a medical deferment for bone spurs would you consider corrupt?"

See what a dumb question that is?

See above, so far you've offer your opinions and conjectures.

Sure. I mean the guy is a weasel seeking power at any cost and has absolutely no beliefs at all and that's pretty much obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, but here, have at it.

 

Jhhnn

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Is it? I just saw both campaigns wanted a partial recanvas.

Anyway, Bernie couldn't be doing that, since everyone said Pete was winning anyway. Or at worst ineffective. If you want to know the truth, they clearly screwed Bernie! because Bernie won pop/final alignment, yet he's coming second in the establishment metric.

Nobody changed the rules to screw Bernie. They were known going in, like the electoral college.The notion is preposterous.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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No problem, apology accepted.

Well, it wasn't an apology. You're previous statements indicated you thought being "openly homosexual" meant he was promiscuous. Which isn't what it means. Think about what I've said so far.


"What specifically about Trump's use of a medical deferment for bone spurs would you consider corrupt?"

See what a dumb question that is?

So you're not going to provide an actual answer to clear this up?



Plenty of links to go around

Sure. I mean the guy is a weasel seeking power at any cost and has absolutely no beliefs at all and that's pretty much obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, but here, have at it.


I'll read the links, progress.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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Well, it wasn't an apology. You're previous statements indicated you thought being "openly homosexual" meant he was promiscuous. Which isn't what it means. Think about what I've said so far.

No, just like @Jhhnn you're misrepresenting what I said. Go back and read it.

So you're not going to provide an actua answer to clear this up?



Plenty of links to go around

Your first link is just a list of his deferments with no evidence or opinion offered that they were corrupt. The second link is a claim made by a doctor's daughter 50 years after the fact. So let's just wait 50 years I guess?

...or had you already figured out that there was probably something to that deferment? I do kind of enjoy the thought of you being absolutely blindsided by the idea that Trump might not have avoided military service legitimately when the story broke in December of 2018.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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I agree and this is the primary advantage to Sanders' position - when he stakes out something more extreme to begin with then he can 'compromise' with a more liberal bill. If you start off in the center-left like Mayor Pete you probably have to go further to the right.



I am very confident that Bernie's position will be a major general election liability as the Republicans will simply dust off the 2009-2010 playbook and say to everyone 'if you vote for this guy kiss your doctor goodbye'. They will of course probably say that regardless of what the Democratic plan is but unfortunately with M4A it has the virtue of being plausibly true for some people. That's a bad thing to campaign on!

People are loss averse and the prospect of losing what they have is terrifying to them, even if the end result is something better as I agree M4A would be. If you go the Mayor Pete route we will likely achieve the same ends, just more slowly.

IF you get a chance to debate at all.
M4A is not politically viable and carries a real risk of alienating voters as you all have stated.

As far as what gets passed... Republicans set a standard for how to pass big, controversial legislation with the tax bill..

Don't tell anyone what you are doing until it hits the floor, then jam it through on a party line reconcilation vote. Bullshit and lie on your analysis to make it fit within the rules.

Then lie to everyone on what it will promise, but deliver enough to not piss them off come election day.

Worst thing Ds can do is get into another protracted policy debate on healthcare.

Voting for Bernie just in this issue is deciding to vote for an unobtainable fantasy rather than face reality and get some good out of it.
 
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