Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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Gooberlx2

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No. Last episode when Stannis visits his wife, she references Edric being one of the stillborns.

It's still a character merge. Edric Storm is the bastard son of Robert Baratheon with the king's blood they need for Melissandre's magic. That's the role Gendry is fulfilling now and why she sought him out from the Brotherhood.
 
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TheAdvocate

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Even in the books it was brief flashbacks of how Ramsay messed him up. That's exactly how the show should have played it. That would've given them plenty of time to introduce Strong Belwas!

And the Olenna/Tywin scene was freaking brilliant. Was so funny watching him squirm in his seat. "Oh come on, who hasn't?" Lol.

Free Strong Belwas! I am pretty much on board with any idea that would have saved him from the script cuts. I don't care how minor of a character he was ahem: Boba Fett anyone?), he is entirely memorable and he shouldn't have been cut. "Colorful" is a tame way of putting it. Also, Dany's entire entourage and situation is supposed to be so much more exotic/foreign. The show makers should capitalize on every opportunity IMHO...

But as to your other point...

Seriously, those are the sort of TV only scenes that are just incredible for me as a reader. The maneuvering between power players like Tywin and Olenna just puts other characters to shame.

And yeah, Lady Olenna was perfectly cast and perfectly played so far.

Totally agree. That was fantastic.

No. Last episode when Stannis visits his wife, she references Edric being one of the stillborns.

That doesn't stop them from merging the storylines. Actually, it conveniently deals with one of them so the other can assume the story line.
 
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Anubis

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can someone who has read the books expand on what little finger was talking about at the end where he says the "realm is a lie"

spoiler tags or PM i don't care which
 

Spineshank

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It's still a character merge. Edric Storm is the bastard son of Robert Baratheon with the king's blood they need for Melissandre's magic. That's the role Gendry is fulfilling now and why she sought him out from the Brotherhood.

Yea. I hadnt known that part happened when I wrote that.
 

Gooberlx2

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can someone who has read the books expand on what little finger was talking about at the end where he says the "realm is a lie"

spoiler tags or PM i don't care which

Doesn't really need spoiler tags, as I'm just speculating here. If anyone disagrees I'll add them.

He's talking about how the realm is held together by these once independent seven kingdoms that were conquered by Aegon the First, with his dragons. Since then, the kingdoms have vowed fealty to the king for......what reason other than that's the way things have been done for ~300 hundred years; especially now since no Targaryen sits the throne after Robert's rebellion.

IMO, Littlefinger is like the Joker to Westeros's Gotham. Some people just want to watch the world burn. Also, he's playing the game the only way he can, by creating chaos. Because in the current order, he'll never have real power.
 
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CZroe

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It did seem a bit odd seeing them go to so much effort to hide Brienne's tits, when she's done fully nude photos before.
Well, she did publicly express "what was I thinking?!" regrets about those

The nudity stuff is getting a little distracting where it seems they have clear lines for different people.

One is 'breasts and ass', not frontal, so it's edit after edit after edit just cutting around frontal. Then there's the 'almost breasts' so over and over it's that, hidden by the hot tub. And then there are the 'frontal' models where they provide that part of the nudity equation. It starts to look a bit formulaic like they have contracts for what to show.

Clearly. You hear about this stuff all the time. Remember all that talk about what it took to get Halle Berry topless in Swordfish? Applies to BladeVenom's post especially.
 
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bononos

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can someone who has read the books expand on what little finger was talking about at the end where he says the "realm is a lie"

spoiler tags or PM i don't care which

No spoilers here.
I've read up till the end of the 3rd book and I'm reasonably sure that that particular conversation wasn't in the books 1-3. Its something thats only in the tv series, a continuation of a thread in book1/season1 where Varys told Ned that he served the realm. Varys realm is synonymous with nationalism where certain myths are taken seriously.
 

BladeVenom

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Well, she did publicly express "what was I thinking?!" regrets about those
When did she say that? I never heard it. All the old interviews were the opposite. http://fashionsmostwanted.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-we-met-polly-borland-and-gwendoline.html Those photos were taken over several years. So it wasn't like a one time decision.


Clearly. You hear about this stuff all the time. Remember all that talk about what it took to get Halle Berry topless in Swordfish? Applies to BladeVenom's post especially.
Then Halle got an Oscar for showing even more in Monster's Ball.
 

Newbian

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Did they ever do anything with the kid blacksmith in the books like they did in this episode?

I have not read the latest one yet
but all I recall was he stayed with the band as a blacksmith
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bunnyfubbles

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Is anyone else as sick of Theon's torture storyline as I am? Even in the books it was not really leading anywhere, and I never really cared about Theon, even before that.

Can't wait for all the upcoming weddings, until then I don't remember anything exciting happening. And since those will not happen before season 4, the outlook for season 3 is bleak. There'll be some usage of the Unsullied, some action in the North, and I remember nothing else that was very interesting from the books that could happen before those weddings...

Eventually some people are hopefully gonna die!
That will also make the stories easier to follow.

Based solely on the the titles of these episodes I would bet we'll see the marriages of Tyrion and Sansa as well as Edmure and Roslin. Joffrey and Margaery's wedding is likely to be pushed to next season. I'm not sure about Cersei and Loras, because Loras was actaully a 3rd son in the books, and thus his two older brothers could carry on the name, and thus Loras was quickly made a member of the Kingsguard as soon as the Tyrells came over to support the Lannisters after Renly's demise.

Guaranteed the Red Wedding happens episode 9 this season. But really, I wouldn't even mention the word wedding without a spoiler tag. One person has already hinted "derp, someone super duper important is going to die soon!"

Don't have to be Hercule Poirot to put these things together. Please, think of the non-readers.

And we don't have to be a reader to know that we have some weddings coming up as the show has made it clear we'll be seeing some weddings.
And as it seems as though you have read the books (or enough of them), I think you're inferring that Rick is implying that shit is going to go down at these weddings

No. Last episode when Stannis visits his wife, she references Edric being one of the stillborns.

Edric Storm is one of Robbert's bastards in the books, not a legitimate stillborn of Stannis'. So instead of introducing yet another character for the show, they merged Edric's role with Gendry's.

Yep, this is how the books have been too for a while. It's going to be really interesting to see if people like the show as much after certain stuff happens.
Considering how the show has only grown in popularity after the audience watched the "main character", ie Eddard Stark, get killed off in the first season, I think things will be fine. The books didn't decline in popularity, that's for sure. At any rate, I think one of the best parts about this series is that truly no character is safe, and while people generally like to see a happy ending, not knowing what is going to happen next is an experience we don't many chances to explore.

Summer was the only thing keeping them behind the wall. Now that winter is coming they are migrating.
Not quite, its pretty much always winter north of the wall, and seasons have come and gone for ages without the wildings gathering in force to get past the wall for good. The real reason the wildlings are just now moving is because of the reemergence of the the Others (white walkers) who hadn't otherwise been seen for thousands of years. In fact, the real reason the wall exists is specifically to stop the Others from making it any further south, but they have been gone for so long that the people of Westeros, including those in the Nights Watch, have come to forget about the Others and believe that the purpose of the wall is to keep the wildlings out.

Did they ever do anything with the kid blacksmith in the books like they did in this episode?

I have not read the latest one yet
but all I recall was he stayed with the band as a blacksmith
.
Only hints of potential are made in the books,
but he is currently a pretty irrelevant character, the only significant role he plays in the future is he saves Brienne from Biter
 

JEDI

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in the show, he gets more prominence.
the red necro priestess wants him so she can make another shadow baby?
 

Emos

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in the show, he gets more prominence.
the red necro priestess wants him so she can make another shadow baby?

I haven't read the books in a while but doesn't the Red Priestess want someone of royal blood to be a human sacrifice to increase Stannis's power?
 

JEDI

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I haven't read the books in a while but doesn't the Red Priestess want someone of royal blood to be a human sacrifice to increase Stannis's power?

sacrifice? i thought it was to make another baby?
and what happened to the first one?
 

bunnyfubbles

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in the show, he gets more prominence.
the red necro priestess wants him so she can make another shadow baby?
I haven't read the books in a while but doesn't the Red Priestess want someone of royal blood to be a human sacrifice to increase Stannis's power?

she had sex with Stannis to produce the shadow "baby", but ultimately (according to the books) she believes she can spawn dragons from sacrificing someone with king's blood; so its not that she wants to produce more shadow assassins by having sex, she wants to sacrifice someone in order to produce dragons (something similar happened when Daenery's hatched her dragons as she sacrificed Drogo's body, the maegi Mirri Maz Duur who betrayed her, and herself to the flames, and thus the three dragons were born)

now of course the show could take a different course, but that's the course the books were taking

sacrifice? i thought it was to make another baby?
and what happened to the first one?

We don't know what direction the show is taking, but I explain it in my previous response as far as the book is concerned

as far as what happens to it, I don't think its ever said, but for how powerful it is I think its safe to say that power is fleeting, its existence is likely very temporary given how Melisandre had to be smuggled close to the shadow assassin's intended target, instead of just birthing it 100 miles away and then just having it get to its target on its own. My guess is that sunlight would likely extinguish its existence as it only seems to be used at night in the books (and is clearly used more than once, unlike in the show, and is also not a permanent creature)
 
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nageov3t

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I thought all of her powerful magic required royal (king's) blood, or something along those lines.
 

Juddog

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she had sex with Stannis to produce the shadow "baby", but ultimately (according to the books) she believes she can spawn dragons from sacrificing someone with king's blood; so its not that she wants to produce more shadow assassins by having sex, she wants to sacrifice someone in order to produce dragons (something similar happened when Daenery's hatched her dragons as she sacrificed Drogo's body, the maegi Mirri Maz Duur who betrayed her, and herself to the flames, and thus the three dragons were born)

now of course the show could take a different course, but that's the course the books were taking



We don't know what direction the show is taking, but I explain it in my previous response as far as the book is concerned

as far as what happens to it, I don't think its ever said, but for how powerful it is I think its safe to say that power is fleeting, its existence is likely very temporary given how Melisandre had to be smuggled close to the shadow assassin's intended target, instead of just birthing it 100 miles away and then just having it get to its target on its own. My guess is that sunlight would likely extinguish its existence as it only seems to be used at night in the books (and is clearly used more than once, unlike in the show, and is also not a permanent creature)

In the books,
Mellisandre used leaches full of royal blood and cast them into a fire to curse Robb Stark, Balon Greyjoy, and King Joffery - all of which died shortly afterwards. I'm thinking she's going to use the boy for kings blood to fill up the leeches.
 

biostud

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can someone who has read the books expand on what little finger was talking about at the end where he says the "realm is a lie"

spoiler tags or PM i don't care which

Actually we later find out that the entire kingdoms is the dreams of a corrupted AI entity
 

bunnyfubbles

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In the books,
Mellisandre used leaches full of royal blood and cast them into a fire to curse Robb Stark, Balon Greyjoy, and King Joffery - all of which died shortly afterwards. I'm thinking she's going to use the boy for kings blood to fill up the leeches.

Right, that's what ends up happening, but she initially wants to sacrifice him to "wake the stone dragon", and while Davos is eventually able to intervene and prevent Stannis from becoming a "kin slayer" by delaying the sacrifice of Edric (and eventually preventing it entirely by shipping him off to the Free Cities), Melisandre doesn't abandon her plan for dragons.
 

Remobz

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In the books,
Mellisandre used leaches full of royal blood and cast them into a fire to curse Robb Stark, Balon Greyjoy, and King Joffery - all of which died shortly afterwards. I'm thinking she's going to use the boy for kings blood to fill up the leeches.

That sounds scary when you think about it.....I hope she dies!
 

Jaskalas

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Massive spoilers on this page.

Though you likely already read them if you got this far. Least they're covered. Your own fault if you read the posts above.

I'm curious if Gendy makes it to the roadside tavern or goes to the free cities. He might run into Aryia if he does. That'd be an awkward moment.
 
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