Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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Spineshank

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? The Gendry stuff they wrote I think is just a joke. The pics look as much in keeping with the book as the rest of the show has been.

I am not so sure. They did say they were doing a major change from the books. I dont consider a Gendry/Edric character merge a major change.
 

KLin

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Oh and If Dan aykroyd and John candy can go face to face with Bart the bear, why couldn't these actors go up against little Bart?
 

CZroe

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that's a pretty good list, surprised it doesn't have Joffrey on it with him in Batman Begins:


IIRC, the kid wasn't "saved" by Batman. The kid saw him observing someone with a periscope. He then gave it to the kid to prove their encounter to the others who otherwise would never believe it.
 

Juddog

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IIRC, the kid wasn't "saved" by Batman. The kid saw him observing someone with a periscope. He then gave it to the kid to prove their encounter to the others who otherwise would never believe it.

What's next - are you going to tell me the kid's dad isn't really Robert Baratheon?
 

JEDI

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yeah.. how the hell did the Starks keep Winterfell + the North for so long?
they SUCK at politics.

ned stark telling his plans to Cersei -> beheaded
Cathern Stark kidnapping Tyrion -> starts a war
Catherern again - frees Jamie -> causes anger within the Karstarks clan, which makes up 1/2 of Robbs army. Robb doesnt kill Cathern. General Crassus (from Spartacus), a real king who knew how to lead, would have executed his mother on the spot for less.

Robb marries a chick and breaks the pact w/the Freys to marry one of his daughters. WTFBBQ stupid unbelievable storyline is this?? SIGH. Plot hole the size of Star trek.

Robb beheads the head of the Karstarks for defying him and loses 1/2 his army. if he killed his mom, the Karstark chief probably wouldnt have defied him. now that he did, Robb should have just kept him in a cell.
wtf execute someone knowing your going to lose 1/2 your army and THE WAR!??!?! especially since you just made an enemy of the Freysby marrying that chick.
 
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jman19

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yeah.. how the hell did the Starks keep Winterfell + the North for so long?
they SUCK at politics.

ned stark telling his plans to Cersei -> beheaded
Cathern Stark kidnapping Tyrion -> starts a war
Catherern again - frees Jamie -> causes anger within the Karstarks clan, which makes up 1/2 of Robbs army. Robb doesnt kill Cathern. General Crassus (from Spartacus), a real king who knew how to lead, would have executed his mother on the spot for less.

Robb marries a chick and breaks the pact w/the Freys to marry one of his daughters. WTFBBQ stupid unbelievable storyline is this?? SIGH. Plot hole the size of Star trek.

Robb beheads the head of the Karstarks for defying him and loses 1/2 his army. if he killed his mom, the Karstark chief probably wouldnt have defied him. now that he did, Robb should have just kept him in a cell.
wtf execute someone knowing your going to lose 1/2 your army and THE WAR!??!?! especially since you just made an enemy of the Freysby marrying that chick.

Some of these events go down a little differently than in the book... but Robb tries very hard to keep the same ideals / principles of honor that his father does. These aren't plot holes, they're character flaws.
 

radhak

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yeah.. how the hell did the Starks keep Winterfell + the North for so long?
they SUCK at politics.

ned stark telling his plans to Cersei -> beheaded
Cathern Stark kidnapping Tyrion -> starts a war
Catherern again - frees Jamie -> causes anger within the Karstarks clan, which makes up 1/2 of Robbs army. Robb doesnt kill Cathern. General Crassus (from Spartacus), a real king who knew how to lead, would have executed his mother on the spot for less.

Robb marries a chick and breaks the pact w/the Freys to marry one of his daughters. WTFBBQ stupid unbelievable storyline is this?? SIGH. Plot hole the size of Star trek.

Robb beheads the head of the Karstarks for defying him and loses 1/2 his army. if he killed his mom, the Karstark chief probably wouldnt have defied him. now that he did, Robb should have just kept him in a cell.
wtf execute someone knowing your going to lose 1/2 your army and THE WAR!??!?! especially since you just made an enemy of the Freysby marrying that chick.

Robb's marriage and the devastation caused by it is not accidental - it's a plot well-thought of, by the mother of his (Robb's) wife who's paid for it by his enemies, leading the trail up to Lannister senior. They all play on the fact that Robb might be a good war-tactician, but he's still a teenager and ruled by hormones and 'honor'.

One thing GRR Martin has got consistently right in the books is, that life is messy. Just because somebody is on the 'good' side does not mean they don't make idiotic decisions, or lose at the end.
And boy, do they lose!
 

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Robb's marriage and the devastation caused by it is not accidental - it's a plot well-thought of, by the mother of his (Robb's) wife who's paid for it by his enemies, leading the trail up to Lannister senior. They all play on the fact that Robb might be a good war-tactician, but he's still a teenager and ruled by hormones and 'honor'.

One thing GRR Martin has got consistently right in the books is, that life is messy. Just because somebody is on the 'good' side does not mean they don't make idiotic decisions, or lose at the end.
And boy, do they lose!


it's a plot well-thought of, by the mother of his (Robb's) wife who's paid for it by his enemies, leading the trail up to Lannister senior

where did you get that from? don't recall that ever being mentioned in the books, granted after a year and close to 5000 pages I might not recall everything though
 

jman19

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it's a plot well-thought of, by the mother of his (Robb's) wife who's paid for it by his enemies, leading the trail up to Lannister senior

where did you get that from? don't recall that ever being mentioned in the books, granted after a year and close to 5000 pages I might not recall everything though

Yeah, that's not correct.
The mother is involved with the plot as it unfolds, but there is no evidence Robb's marriage was planned with the Lannisters.
 

radhak

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it's a plot well-thought of, by the mother of his (Robb's) wife who's paid for it by his enemies, leading the trail up to Lannister senior

where did you get that from? don't recall that ever being mentioned in the books, granted after a year and close to 5000 pages I might not recall everything though

Oh gosh, I'll need to comb thru the books again to pin-point it, but I remember that it figures very briefly, as a single conversation between the two parties mentioned, and also (I think) that the mom is actively engaged in the daughter's pregnancy plans (don't remember if discouraging it or encouraging it)!
 

radhak

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Yeah, that's not correct.
The mother is involved with the plot as it unfolds, but there is no evidence Robb's marriage was planned with the Lannisters.

Man, don't do this! Now I'll have to spend a weekend going over the books to find that part... dammit!
 

bhagan

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Oh gosh, I'll need to comb thru the books again to pin-point it, but I remember that it figures very briefly, as a single conversation between the two parties mentioned, and also (I think) that the mom is actively engaged in the daughter's pregnancy plans (don't remember if discouraging it or encouraging it)!

I believe there was a mention that the mother was secretly giving her daughter moon tea, but I'm not sure how reliable that information was. Anything in the books that is not explicitly seen in a POV chapter should be considered unreliable
 

Spineshank

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Robb's marriage and the devastation caused by it is not accidental - it's a plot well-thought of, by the mother of his (Robb's) wife who's paid for it by his enemies, leading the trail up to Lannister senior. They all play on the fact that Robb might be a good war-tactician, but he's still a teenager and ruled by hormones and 'honor'.

One thing GRR Martin has got consistently right in the books is, that life is messy. Just because somebody is on the 'good' side does not mean they don't make idiotic decisions, or lose at the end.
And boy, do they lose!

There was no plot. Shes not even from Westeros IIRC.

The only time a plot comes into play is later. And it has nothing to do with her mom.
 

Agent11

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In the books she was from Westeros... And it was a slightly more believable story how he fell for her as well.
 

jman19

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Oh gosh, I'll need to comb thru the books again to pin-point it, but I remember that it figures very briefly, as a single conversation between the two parties mentioned, and also (I think) that the mom is actively engaged in the daughter's pregnancy plans (don't remember if discouraging it or encouraging it)!

Not 100% sure since I read the books a while ago, but here is my take on it:

If I'm remember the books correctly, it is implied - or maybe said directly - that Jeyne Westerling's mother was involved in the RW and helped make sure Jeyne did not get knocked up by Robb. However, I don't recall any evidence that the wedding between Robb and Jeyne was part of the plot at all. The attack on the Crag wasn't foreseen by the Lannisters as far as we know, and Robb's marriage was rather sudden. I think the plotting happened after the fact - the marriage was just an opportunity Tywin took advantage of.
 
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