Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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mistercrabby

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There was something like this in French Canadian families up to the late 1800s. People would party downstairs and wait to hear the young couple consumating the marriage upstairs. Because until consumated, the marriage was not final (could be annuled more easily).

^^^ yeesh
 

Leon

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"It hurts so much, she thought. Our children, Ned, all our sweet babes. Rickon, Bran, Arya, Sansa, Robb… Robb… please, Ned, please, make it stop, make it stop hurting… The white tears and the red ones ran together until her face was torn and tattered, the face that Ned had loved. Catelyn Stark raised her hands and watched the blood run down her long fingers, over her wrists, beneath the sleeves of her gown. Slow red worms crawled along her arms and under her clothes. It tickles. That made her laugh until she screamed. “Mad,” someone said, “she’s lost her wits,” and someone else said, “Make an end,” and a hand grabbed her scalp just as she’d done with Jinglebell, and she thought, No, don’t, don’t cut my hair, Ned loves my hair. Then the steel was at her throat, and its bite was red and cold. "

 

Imp

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The usual fantasy trope of "good wins out over evil" does not apply to GoT. Just because you are "good" doesn't mean you will live until old age. An those who most would consider "evil" do not automatically meet a just end.

If you can even categorize any character as such. Most of them are really just shades of grey depending on from which POV you assess their situation and actions.

That's why I like fantasy escapes... I can watch "evil" win every day on the news.
 

KentState

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After reading through the Red Wedding, I basically lost all emotional attachment to everything in the books. I stopped caring about all remaining characters, because you realize there's no point to the story, there's nothing to look forward to, it's just Russian roulette in story book form. This latest episode (and the same part in the books) is why I stopped enjoying GoT and ever since then all I do is read/watch through it like a zombie just to see how it ends. It's like Martin was raped by a cliche as a child and is setting out to get his revenge as much as he can to the extremes. It makes for a poor story just as much as a story that's too cliche. Instead of finding the right balance he just went to the extreme opposite end.

That is exactly how I feel. Why invest in a book when it's a bunch of crappy outcomes unless you love completely vial characters.
 

techs

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Robbs quest to become King in the North and defeat King Joffrey was always a long shot. Kings Landing and the Lannisters and their allies were always more powerful than Robbs forces. Robb managed to win a few battles, but he was always the underdog.

Once Tywin rode in and defeated Stannis the Kings forces could concentrate on the North. And the forces of the Wildings and the Walkers were always coming at Robb from his north.

Many people were less enthused by this season and this kind of major shift has really given new life to series about to end its third season.

I always saw a bad future for the young upstart.
 

Phoenix86

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Robbs quest to become King in the North and defeat King Joffrey was always a long shot. Kings Landing and the Lannisters and their allies were always more powerful than Robbs forces. Robb managed to win a few battles, but he was always the underdog.

Once Tywin rode in and defeated Stannis the Kings forces could concentrate on the North. And the forces of the Wildings and the Walkers were always coming at Robb from his north.

Many people were less enthused by this season and this kind of major shift has really given new life to series about to end its third season.

I always saw a bad future for the young upstart.
Yeah I don't know what people were thinking... Best case scenario Robb was trapped between the white walkers (does anyone really think the Night's Watch is going to stop them?), the Lannisters, and the Greyjoys. Of course there was also massive foreshadowing with the "you lost this war when you married her", losing half his forces, having to make nice with the Frey's who he severely pissed off and the Boltons turning on him in regards to Jaime.

The biggest thing? Explaining the Rains of Castamere last episode and this one being named after it. Kind told you outright that the Starks who are rebelling against the Lannisers were going to get fucked just like house Reyne.
 

LegendKiller

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That is exactly how I feel. Why invest in a book when it's a bunch of crappy outcomes unless you love completely vial characters.

The reality is that you cannot count on the expected. Life throws curveballs at you and you never know what is going to happen. Tolkein and other works are predictable "hero" stories, the outcome is pretty much known. Martin takes the opposite approach, he wants to keep people guessing all the while developing characters inevitably. The problem is people attach themselves to perceived "good" or "bad" characters without even thinking about the story.

If you want braindead prosaic tripe where the hero always wins, go read that. If you want real life chaos, especially unbridled chaotic grabs for power, then you will appreciate these books.

Didn't anybody get Littlefinger's monolog? There was a point to that. In a grab for power anybody can die and most who aren't bright enough to seize power while they can, will. Those who thrive on chaos, the game, will win.

Personally I find the whole thing refreshing and a lot more entertaining than most books.
 

ch33zw1z

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I'm kinda disappointed at the betrayal and slaughter at the wedding. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Still looking forward to the next episode, not quite as much though.
 

GTaudiophile

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Man. I always cringe when a pregnant girl gets stabbed like that. Sheesh!

Do things ever get better for the Starks?
 

mnewsham

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Do things ever get better for the Starks?

"better"? I suppose that depends on your point of view, things don't go great for the remaining starks, but things certainly aren't truly horrible for them going into book 6.

As for
Snow... well he has a good bit coming to him.
 
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