3: Tywin did not act to restrain Joffrey either during the gift presentations nor the wedding party. I believe he wanted people to see Joffrey for what he was.
4: Tywin and Oleanna seemed to be up to something in their interactions.
Here's my Tywin was involved reasons:
1: He wanted Jamie to leave the job as the Kings protector. Possibly, but even that would bring shame to Jaime and the Lannister house, thus weakening them.
2: Tywins punishment of Jamie was to kill the King under his presence. See response to point 1.
3: Tywin did not act to restrain Joffrey either during the gift presentations nor the wedding party. I believe he wanted people to see Joffrey for what he was. Tywin is smart enough not to reprimand the king in front of the entire court and the people. That only weakens his claim to an already crumbling throne, as the people hate him with Margaery at his side.
4: Tywin and Oleanna seemed to be up to something in their interactions. Possibly, but it is far more likely Oleanna and Tywin are involved in a power struggle, as they are the real leaders of their house.
5: Without Joffrey the title would fall to the next in line,(?) who I believe is another son of Cersie. So Cersie would be regent and the King knows Cersie is cunning and not a psycho like Joffrey was. Tywin has shown nothing but contempt for how Cersei has continuously failed to control Joffery. He also tells her she isn't nearly as smart and cunning as she believes she is, which is one of her major flaws.
Now that I think about it, Tywin as perpetrator isn't that far-fetched. Margery and the Tyrells have no claim to the throne and therefore no power without the consummation of the marriage and there's certainly no love lost between the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
In the 1st season when she was in nude sex scenes with the Khal, she got like 15 to 20 minutes every episode.
Now that she has dragons but no sex scenes she's given far less screen-time. I keep wanting to see scenes of the dragons growing up, Daenerys training them, etc., but instead it's filled with Stanos, with Theon, the drawn out scene in Littlefinger's brothel to just say that prince is bisexual, or more and more how Tyrion is juggling the two women.
Just my meaningless rant with the show
Can't wait to see where they take the story with Joffrey dead, who's going to be the new evil on the throne for good guys to fight against?
The Targaryans had no claim to the throne, nor did Robert Baratheon, but that sure didn't stop them from taking it.
Dragon scenes are expensive. Really expensive. So we get what we get.
The Targaryans had no claim to the throne, nor did Robert Baratheon, but that sure didn't stop them from taking it.
in fairness, the Targaryans literally built the throne.
The Targaryans had no claim to the throne, nor did Robert Baratheon, but that sure didn't stop them from taking it.
Sure Tywin wouldn't admonish him in public, he does things another way. Remember when Tywin and Jofferey were talking in the king's chambers and Jofferey was upset the small council was being held in the tower of the hand (it was too far to walk)?Responses in bold. It just don't make sense for Tywin to want Joffery dead. With himself as hand, he had some control over Joffery everyone else couldn't maintain. He wouldn't risk a dash for the throne with such powerful people at play. The Martells in the capital, the Tyrells there with their army, money, and the populous loving Margaery.
Margaery seems like the most likely culprit if you watch how she has manipulated most of the people into loving her. With the king dead, if she made a claim, do you think the people would support her or another possible Joffery (Cersei's youngest son)?
Now that I think about it, Tywin as perpetrator isn't that far-fetched. Margery and the Tyrells have no claim to the throne and therefore no power without the consummation of the marriage and there's certainly no love lost between the Lannisters and the Tyrells.
Agreed, but this would let the Lannisters off the hook for repaying the Tyrells for their help during the war, allow Tywin to stay as the hand (and without a king, effectively in charge), Cersei as the Queen Regent (and presumably still under his control), and 6 years until Tommen comes of age (and is presumably much less insane than Joffrey).
But, you're right. Other houses could still forcibly take the throne or attempt it. The Lannisters would still have the most "legal" claim.
Sure, they have the "legal" claim, but that doesn't mean much. Especially, after Joffery had his guard going around killing babies and the poor. Do you think the mob would side with Margeary (and the Tyrells) or the Lannisters in a claim?
I think the Tyrells are in a much better position right now than the Lannisters, as far as power.
Sure, they have the "legal" claim, but that doesn't mean much. Especially, after Joffery had his guard going around killing babies and the poor. Do you think the mob would side with Margeary (and the Tyrells) or the Lannisters in a claim?
I think the Tyrells are in a much better position right now than the Lannisters, as far as power. The Martells would certainly side with them, and how many more houses?
And Cersei listens to him, which is the most important.
Tywin kind of makes sense. I don't really see how he got Lady Olenna to get involved, though. The only way this would work is if they planned to frame Tyrion or Sansa (or both) and that would mean the old lady is much more evil than I thought. I guess I'm in denial and don't want her to be *that* evil.
So we can all agree no way Tyrion did it?
So we can all agree no way Tyrion did it?
I mostly doubt Tyrion did it because of the way he picked up the goblet as he himself was putting the pieces together of what might have happened.
I feel like Tyrion is smart enough that if he were going to kill Joffrey, he'd make sure to be on the other side of the planet when it actually all went down.