I feel like Tyrion is smart enough that if he were going to kill Joffrey, he'd make sure to be on the other side of the planet when it actually all went down.
So we can all agree no way Tyrion did it?
I feel like Tyrion is smart enough that if he were going to kill Joffrey, he'd make sure to be on the other side of the planet when it actually all went down.
Yep. No way it was him, it just makes no sense.
I am hoping it was the fool just acting out of revenge and as repayment to Sansa. Would be a sweet parallel too since Joffrey attempted to kill him with wine, then the fool guy actually killed Joffrey with wine.
KT
But Joffrey was a Baratheon in name only, he shares no blood connection to Robert, making the Lannisters the most recent king producer.
It's not about who was related to a king, it's the question of why someone who was at the right place and right time just happening to take power and become king, suddenly now has super-special blood that has magical and godly powers. It's just a part of the story that I can never accept.
Daenerys has dragon blood in her, fire cannot hurt her, because I assume some Targaryen ages ago screwed a dragon and produced an off-spring. And that's fine, because they did something not normal giving them different genetic material within their blood than other people.
hah that is awesome, i like the way you think.
also, he was really drunk when he save sansa the necklace. maybe he was getting hammered because he knew he was about to do something bad and kill the king?
Ah yes, good call; forgot he was trashed when he did that part. It's all coming together... :hmm:
KT
Sure Tywin wouldn't admonish him in public, he does things another way. Remember when Tywin and Jofferey were talking in the king's chambers and Jofferey was upset the small council was being held in the tower of the hand (it was too far to walk)?
Tywin slowly walked up to the king, looked down at him and said "we could have you carried".
Did he tell the king he was a lazy dick? No, but he got his point across just the same. I noticed Tywin was virtually silent at the wedding, almost too restrained.
He was also drunk at the tournament, and thus why Joffery wanted to have him killed. It is far more reasonable to believe he was drunk when he gave Sansa the necklace because he simply a drunkard. Now, that doesn't remove him from the list of possible group that conspire in Joffery's death.
Wouldn't it be grand if it was found out he just choked.
I feel like Tyrion is smart enough that if he were going to kill Joffrey, he'd make sure to be on the other side of the planet when it actually all went down.
Look at the mess the Bolton's face due to Snow's insanity.
He was also drunk at the tournament, and thus why Joffery wanted to have him killed. It is far more reasonable to believe he was drunk when he gave Sansa the necklace because he simply a drunkard. Now, that doesn't remove him from the list of possible group that conspire in Joffery's death.
No, but it makes him the least likely suspect. He's never been shown as anything other than a monumental screw-up. It would be a deus ex machina moment if he suddenly got his act together well enough to plot the murder of a king. I think he's just a drunk who is smitten with Sansa, not a co-conspirator. If he was involved in any way it would be more reasonable to believe that he's an unwitting patsy being used by somebody more intelligent in case something went wrong.
Didn't Sam meet up with them in a tower? Wouldn't have Sam told Jon Snow about them?Yes Ramsay Snow does seem unbalanced but in episode 2 he revealed a key piece of information (that he learned from Theon/Reek) that he revealed to his father Roose Bolton.
It seems that aside from Meera, Jojen, Hodor, and Osha; the Bolton's are the only people who know that Bran and Rickon are actually alive.
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Didn't Sam meet up with them in a tower? Wouldn't have Sam told Jon Snow about them?
What if he is actually Keyser Soze? That can't be it; because that is Hodor!
I liked the actor who played Joffrey... it's too bad he's retiring from acting.
he's been acting since he was a little kid and has stated that this will be his last role. he's going to university or some such nonsense.
The last few days of following this thread, as a book reader, have been laughable with everyone up in arms over spoilers.
There has been plenty of speculation from "non-bookreaders" regarding certain events that only someone that has read the books would have knowledge of. Therefore us book readers can only conclude that some "non-bookreaders" are liars.
Regardless, I only come in here to get perspective from other fans of the show. I am die hard fan that cannot get enough of this show. I actually have re-watched the series multiple times and read the books twice.
Joffrey was one of the more interesting characters in the show. Well written, and well executed.
I liked the actor who played Joffrey... it's too bad he's retiring from acting.
he's been acting since he was a little kid and has stated that this will be his last role. he's going to university or some such nonsense.