Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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blackdogdeek

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Agreed.

Actually earlier in the wedding when he was surprisingly gracious I thought for a moment "holy crap, maybe he finally understands he will go further if he hides his evil a little." But then his true nature came out before he died.

Tyrion's reaction was great during that scene. He was like, "how unexpectedly gracious of you...wait what are you up to?"
 

techs

Lifer
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I noticed Tywin was virtually silent at the wedding, almost too restrained.

He was letting Joffrey make a fool of himself and that wasn't in Tywins interests, which to me is strong evidence he didn't care what Joffrey did because he was going to check out anyway.
 

BladeVenom

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Wouldn't it be grand if it was found out he just choked.

Except he threw up, and had blood pouring out his eyes and nose. They made it as obvious as they could that he died an unnatural death.

You'd like the books better. In the books everyone at first thinks he was just choking to death on the pie, until Cersei demands Tyrion be arrested.
 

VulgarDisplay

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He was letting Joffrey make a fool of himself and that wasn't in Tywins interests, which to me is strong evidence he didn't care what Joffrey did because he was going to check out anyway.

I think it was just a matter of it being one thing for him to belittle joffrey behind closed doors with an audience who already knows how he is, and something completely different for him to put the king in his place in public. What is to stop joffrey from doing what he did to tyrion to tywin in public. It would make tywin look weak or joffrey look weak which are both things he absolutely does not want.
 

smackababy

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Except he threw up, and had blood pouring out his eyes and nose. They made it as obvious as they could that he died an unnatural death.

You'd like the books better. In the books everyone at first thinks he was just choking to death on the pie, until Cersei demands Tyrion be arrested.

I've read all the books! I'm just hoping they change some major stuff for the shows. =)
 

MikeyLSU

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I really like this thread and have read the books. I agree that it has gotten out of hand by a few. You can tell I don't really post in here because I have read the books. and so many times people have hinted way too hard which should be a ban IMO.

I can relate to everyone here because I didn't read the books until after season 1, and avoided this entire thread until I had finished reading all the books so that nobody would spoil anything for me. It is a shame as it is such an easy rule to follow. If you are in any doubt at all on if it is a spoiler, don't post it.
 

crownjules

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Joffrey was one of the more interesting characters in the show. Well written, and well executed. Unlike many others, which are just wooden - like the ones in cheap thriller fiction novels.

No, Joffrey was one of the least interesting characters. He's a cruel bully who abuses his position to prey on everyone below him. He's not nuanced at all like many other characters in the series.
 

cubby1223

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This is where while I've never read the books, if I rationalize things out and just happen by chance to hit the answer, is that considered a spoiler?

No, but it makes him the least likely suspect. He's never been shown as anything other than a monumental screw-up. It would be a deus ex machina moment if he suddenly got his act together well enough to plot the murder of a king. I think he's just a drunk who is smitten with Sansa, not a co-conspirator. If he was involved in any way it would be more reasonable to believe that he's an unwitting patsy being used by somebody more intelligent in case something went wrong.

If that blue gem taken off the necklace is indeed what killed Joffrey, there are easier ways to have placed poison in the cup, the only benefit to the scheme is you can easily point to Sansa wearing a necklace full of poisonous gems and one missing, as the guilty one to be punished.

If he was in on the plot he wouldn't have helped Sansa get away from the scene. So, more likely he was being used to pass along a necklace with a fake story, then noticed the one stone missing during the wedding and pieced together she was being framed.

Drunks may be drunks, but they can be remarkably perceptive on occasion.
 

KeithTalent

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No, Joffrey was one of the least interesting characters. He's a cruel bully who abuses his position to prey on everyone below him. He's not nuanced at all like many other characters in the series.

Yeah I agree with this. Like I said previously, he was just a caricature. Gleeson was good as the actor, but I really do not think there was much more to be had from the character.

KT
 

MongGrel

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He was letting Joffrey make a fool of himself and that wasn't in Tywins interests, which to me is strong evidence he didn't care what Joffrey did because he was going to check out anyway.
What were ya doing over there in the spoiler thread

 

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Yeah I agree with this. Like I said previously, he was just a caricature. Gleeson was good as the actor, but I really do not think there was much more to be had from the character.

KT
Even though the he played a caricature, he played it well. The strong emotions he got from the viewers are a testament to his fine portrayal of an immature, sadistic man-child.
 

KeithTalent

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Even though the he played a caricature, he played it well. The strong emotions he got from the viewers are a testament to his fine portrayal of an immature, sadistic man-child.

Oh yeah, no doubt. I thought he was great.

KT
 

JEDI

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Already discussed about 40 or 50 pages back. I think Syrio is alive too.

speaking of pasts...

didn't the guy w/the red witch march to the Wall at the end of last season because of a vision the red witch saw?

this season, we see him eat dinner w/his wife and the red witch at this castle?!
 

techs

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Just trying to get something straight. Roose Bolton married one of the daughters of the guy who betrayed the Starks because Robb wouldn't marry one of the daughters?

I ask because I am trying to figure out why the guy who cut of Theons manhood called the chubby lady "mother". Was that the daughter Roose married?
 

benzylic

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Just trying to get something straight. Roose Bolton married one of the daughters of the guy who betrayed the Starks because Robb wouldn't marry one of the daughters?

I ask because I am trying to figure out why the guy who cut of Theons manhood called the chubby lady "mother". Was that the daughter Roose married?

Bolton was responsible in part for the events at the wedding, he betrayed Robb. One of the Tully's, Robb's uncle I believe, married the Frey girl, the Frey's were the house that Robb wouldn't marry.

I have no idea who the fat lady was
 

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Lifer
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Bolton was responsible in part for the events at the wedding, he betrayed Robb. One of the Tully's, Robb's uncle I believe, married the Frey girl, the Frey's were the house that Robb wouldn't marry.

I have no idea who the fat lady was

So, Roose goes for the fatties? Kinky.
Though she seemed to be surprised at her treatment and the bastards calling her "mother'
 

bononos

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Just trying to get something straight. Roose Bolton married one of the daughters of the guy who betrayed the Starks because Robb wouldn't marry one of the daughters?

I ask because I am trying to figure out why the guy who cut of Theons manhood called the chubby lady "mother". Was that the daughter Roose married?
Roose allied with house Frey and together they plotted the destruction of the Starks and Robb's murder. So Roose married a (fat) Frey to cement to alliance.
 

MongGrel

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Bolton was responsible in part for the events at the wedding, he betrayed Robb. One of the Tully's, Robb's uncle I believe, married the Frey girl, the Frey's were the house that Robb wouldn't marry.

I have no idea who the fat lady was
Was his wife I believe, Bolton that is, at the red wedding he stated married one of his daughters and made a lot getting "her weight in silver" unless I misremember who was involved for marrying a fat Frey girl.

Might have to review that but what I thought when I saw her.

The Tully was the one surprised at she wasn't plain or fat etc.
 
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