Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[bunnyfubbles]

It was stated in the show. Roose told Catelyn at the wedding.

It doesn't really seem like that much money considering Roose was the 2nd most powerful lord in the North. Would you rather have a hot chick with a $38,000 dowry, or a fat chick with a $72,000 dowry?

he married her to secure alliance with the Freys, and if you have to marry for political purposes, and all the choices are going to be poor (ie Freys) might as well take the one that pays the most.

would you choose hotty who will get you murdered because you avoid marrying a likely uggo from house Frey to secure the alliance you needed to come out on top in the war... Robb chose the former, Roose chose the latter.

Which was the correct answer? hard to say, particularly when the adage goes "all men must die", not sure Robb's choice was so bad, because at least he got him some quality love while he could.

but then there's that other adage about fat chicks...so maybe Roose did choose wisely

 

[steve wilson]

You seem to forget the point. You're a Lord. Have as many chicks as you want.

Before modern times, anyone below your rank was a slave to you.

Spot on... just cuz he is married to her doesn't mean he is banging her...well except for a few times to impregnate her. Then he just bangs any of the women he chooses from his lands.

 

[steve wilson]

he married her to secure alliance with the Freys, and if you have to marry for political purposes, and all the choices are going to be poor (ie Freys) might as well take the one that pays the most.

would you choose hotty who will get you murdered because you avoid marrying a likely uggo from house Frey to secure the alliance you needed to come out on top in the war... Robb chose the former, Roose chose the latter.

Which was the correct answer? hard to say, particularly when the adage goes "all men must die", not sure Robb's choice was so bad, because at least he got him some quality love while he could.

but then there's that other adage about fat chicks...so maybe Roose did choose wisely

I would say Roose chose wisely. Mainly because he is still alive.

 

[techs]

I am so much more enjoying this thread without spoilers and by putting three people on my ignore list.

It's now my number one ATOT thread!

 

[poofyhairguy]

I agree, thank you mods for fixing this situation.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

congratulations to jack gleason, for bringing a character to life that hit nerves with just about everyone that saw him. he held his own in a show of almost non-stop fireworks. and what an exit!

as was said earlier, joffrey very closely resembles b5's emperor cartagia, and possibly influenced by him. "i don't care for the way he looks at me. pluck out his eye." if B5 and GoT had a baby (probably after GoT slaughterd B5's family at the wedding and gang raped her) i would watch that show. hell, i would beat the crap out of anyone that didn't watch that show.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

speaking of pasts...

didn't the guy w/the red witch march to the Wall at the end of last season because of a vision the red witch saw?

this season, we see him eat dinner w/his wife and the red witch at this castle?!

he hasn't left yet. according to jamie, it's now been a few weeks since that scene.

 

[himkhan]

IMO, they're spoilers for anyone who hasn't yet seen that episode. :shrug:

If you haven't seen the aired episode yet and are reading a thread dedicated to discussing what was seen on TV perhaps you should avoid this thread until having watched your DVR?

 

[Kev]

I agree, thank you mods for fixing this situation.

Only took 3 years!

 

[smackababy]

You guys are forgetting the main reason Myrcella was being married off: Tyrion was using it as a way to expose who on the small council was reporting to Cersei. He told Varys, Little Finger, and Pycell different locations, and went with the one that Cersei knew about. They all had strategic value (as well as keeping them her safe in the event of Stannis actually breaching the city).

It wasn't anything concerning Joffrey's nature, as he already knew Tommen and Myrcella didn't suffer from cruelty and madness. He even states to Cersei she "beat the odds", as the saying was "when a Targaryan is born, the gods flip a coin [if they were mad or not]".

 

[Anubis]

You guys are forgetting the main reason Myrcella was being married off: Tyrion was using it as a way to expose who on the small council was reporting to Cersei. He told Varys, Little Finger, and Pycell different locations, and went with the one that Cersei knew about. They all had strategic value (as well as keeping them her safe in the event of Stannis actually breaching the city).

It wasn't anything concerning Joffrey's nature, as he already knew Tommen and Myrcella didn't suffer from cruelty and madness. He even states to Cersei she "beat the odds", as the saying was "when a Targaryan is born, the gods flip a coin [if they were mad or not]".

yea they had that convo last season, about how the other 2 were not crazy

 

[techs]

You guys are forgetting the main reason Myrcella was being married off: Tyrion was using it as a way to expose who on the small council was reporting to Cersei. He told Varys, Little Finger, and Pycell different locations, and went with the one that Cersei knew about. They all had strategic value (as well as keeping them her safe in the event of Stannis actually breaching the city).

The above is why this thread is so useful. There is so much stuff that happens its great when someone brings up something that happened a while back and some of us have forgotten.

 

[blankslate]

speaking of pasts... didn't the guy w/the red witch march to the

Wall at the end of last season because of a vision the red witch saw?

this season, we see him eat dinner w/his wife and the red witch at this castle?!

he hasn't left yet. according to jamie, it's now been a few weeks since that scene.

Depending on how they plan to travel North by land or by ship it might affect preparation time for the journey and the fighting shape of Stannis's men.

If they choose by sea so his army isn't as tired from marching they might not have finished replacing all of the ships that they lost in season 2 episode 9 when they sailed against King's Landing.

Either way (land or sea) they have to also provision supplies because they can't count on the lords along the way just letting them resupply along the way without trouble.



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[GagHalfrunt]

You guys are forgetting the main reason Myrcella was being married off: Tyrion was using it as a way to expose who on the small council was reporting to Cersei. He told Varys, Little Finger, and Pycell different locations, and went with the one that Cersei knew about. They all had strategic value (as well as keeping them her safe in the event of Stannis actually breaching the city).

It had nothing to do with exposing the canary on the small council, that was ancillary. The deal was done and Myrcella was going to Dorne, period. He just spread false rumors about other things to identify the leak.

 

[cronos]

It had nothing to do with exposing the canary on the small council, that was ancillary. The deal was done and Myrcella was going to Dorne, period. He just spread false rumors about other things to identify the leak.

He didn't know who is going to spill though, and he told the three people different things and therefore she could have been sent anywhere. What was actually done is ultimately what Cersei found out about.

 

[blankslate]

It had nothing to do with exposing the canary on the small council, that was ancillary. The deal was done and Myrcella was going to Dorne, period. He just spread false rumors about other things to identify the leak.

Yes, remember the Dornes are in general probably not happy that one of their own (and her children) died in King's Landing which is Prince Oberyn's source of anger with the Lannisters.

Remember, in the first episode of season 4, Tyrion was rather surprised when he went out to meet the representatives from Dorne to attend the King's wedding and found out the Prince Oberyn was sent instead of his brother (who is supposedly sick, but may just not want to attend).

The scene in which Prince Oberyn is speaking outside of the brothel, after he stabs a Lannister man in the wrist is well done as a good amount of backgound information is relayed and it showed much of what we need to know about Prince Oberyn.

Getting back to your point Gaghalfrunt
So sending Myrcella away just in case Stannis actually got into the to be fostered at another keep did serve more than one purpose. It also hopefully serves as a peace offering to Dorne.
And as you said Tyrion cleverly used the situation to find out who among the council was spying on him for his sister.


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[GagHalfrunt]

He didn't know who is going to spill though, and he told the three people different things and therefore she could have been sent anywhere. What was actually done is ultimately what Cersei found out about.

No, she most certainly could not have been sent anywhere. He could not have three different marriage deals in place and then be guaranteed to piss off two factions that he wanted alliances with when she went somewhere else. The deal was done to send her to Dorne. Then and only then did he invent a couple of fictional deals and spread news of them around to see which deal got leaked.

 

[AViking]

It was stated in the show. Roose told Catelyn at the wedding.

It doesn't really seem like that much money considering Roose was the 2nd most powerful lord in the North. Would you rather have a hot chick with a $38,000 dowry, or a fat chick with a $72,000 dowry?

I never got the impression that the Bolton's were that powerful. How do you figure that they are the second most powerful? I am firmly under the impression that they were a lesser lord and kinda still are. Harrenhal isn't exactly a catch. It's a giant, half melted castle that everyone hates. The North is also not under control. Before any of that Greatjon Umber was more important than Roose Bolton. I don't know what happened to that guy though. You then had the Karstarks and the Manderleys. He only seems powerful now because the Lannisters gave him a title for betraying the Starks at the red wedding.

 

[cronos]

No, she most certainly could not have been sent anywhere. He could not have three different marriage deals in place and then be guaranteed to piss off two factions that he wanted alliances with when she went somewhere else. The deal was done to send her to Dorne. Then and only then did he invent a couple of fictional deals and spread news of them around to see which deal got leaked.

Are you saying LittleFinger and Varys didn't do anything when he asked them to arrange the marriage with the two other places?

What did these two do after Tyrion told them to do something in secret? Just hung around until Tyrion called it off because he found who were actually spying?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Are you saying LittleFinger and Varys didn't do anything when he asked them to arrange the marriage with the two other places?

What did these two do after Tyrion told them to do something in secret? Just hung around until Tyrion called it off because he found who were actually spying?

He didn't ask them to arrange the marriages, did he? I thought he just informed them of his plans, but didn't ask them to do anything specific, besides "don't tell Cersei." I certainly got the impression that he wasn't going to arrange anything until he figured out who was leaking information and then go that direction so Cersei didn't suspect it was all a ruse. Maybe it was addressed more specifically in the books.

 

[blankslate]

Are you saying LittleFinger and Varys didn't do anything when he asked them to arrange the marriage with the two other places?

What did these two do after Tyrion told them to do something in secret? Just hung around until Tyrion called it off because he found who were actually spying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5wecjshfbo
^the above is the scene from Season 2 that is in question.

Tyrion knew that word would get to his sister rather quickly, perhaps more quickly than either Varys or Littlefinger could start negotiations with the other houses.


Notice Littlefinger was upset but Varys wasn't shown angrily confronting Tyrion.
Varys probably was waiting to see if Tyrion really was serious about marrying off Princess Myrcella off to Theon and if he was asked a second time Varys would probably have a well thought out excuse as to why he didn't start the process yet.

While Littlefinger was tempted by the money and a title.

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[blankslate]

Maybe it was addressed more specifically in the books.

That's not allowed here


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[cronos]

He didn't ask them to arrange the marriages, did he? I thought he just informed them of his plans, but didn't ask them to do anything specific, besides "don't tell Cersei." I certainly got the impression that he wasn't going to arrange anything until he figured out who was leaking information and then go that direction so Cersei didn't suspect it was all a ruse. Maybe it was addressed more specifically in the books.

No, he wasn't just telling them. He was asking them to help him with the arrangement (but make sure that Cersei doesn't know). Based on the video that I just watched, apparently I have remembered incorrectly. He only asked for LittleFinger to talk to Lysa (because he knew her growing up), but Varys and Pycelle he was just telling them.

But the following explanation makes perfect sense. He was banking on word got to Cersei right away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5wecjshfbo
^the above is the scene from Season 2 that is in question.

Tyrion knew that word would get to his sister rather quickly, perhaps more quickly than either Varys or Littlefinger could start negotiations with the other houses.

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Thanks.

 

[smackababy]

I can't see the video, but he was requesting their assistance in setting up the marriages. He promised Little Finger a keep for it, to which he was disappointed about not receiving. Varys was impressed with Tyrion's cunning manipulation and Pycell was thrown in the dungeon for a time.

He had planned on whoever was Cersei's spy to report it immediately to her so the other negotiations could not take place.

What doesn't make sense to me is that Tyrion was so out of the loop he didn't realize it would be Pyrcell to begin with. Pycell had "always served the Lannisters" and was even the one responsible for getting the Mad King to let Tywin and his army into King Landing in Robert's Rebellion; and Tywin then sacked the city, because he wasn't going to choose the losing side. It should have been obvious Pycell, who served Tywin when he was hand, that he would continue to serve Cersei when Joffrey took power.

 

[Pens1566]

It had nothing to do with exposing the canary on the small council, that was ancillary. The deal was done and Myrcella was going to Dorne, period. He just spread false rumors about other things to identify the leak.

I think exposing Cersei's mole was the main point as he was trying to rectify all of what he considered to be Ned's mistakes and consolidate his power as the hand. He was getting Bronn to recruit men to the city watch that would be loyal, removing others from there that he felt weren't trustworthy (didn't he send one off to the Wall?), and taking away the wildfire/pyromancers from Cersei. That whole plot line from season 2 was point, not that one of the children disappeared from an otherwise meaningless role.