Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[KeithTalent]

Thanks loki, that makes sense. :thumbsup:

Jamie is awesome and had some of the absolutely best scenes last season. The bath scene was amazing.

KT

 

[smackababy]

if she married some random dude, no (I mean, yes but no one would care)

but if she married the son of one of the richest Houses with an army behind them pushing to return the rightful heir of Winterfel, she'd have a pretty good claim.

going to avoid commenting on whatever is going on presently in the North on the show because they haven't been showing much and I don't want to inadvertently spoil anything from the books.

Robb's bannermen, even though defeated are likely still behind the cause. How many were murdered under the "protection" of a Lord at a wedding? Yeah, if Sansa were to marry someone important, go back to the north and call for justice, quite a bit of people would answer the call. With the Tyrells behind her, she'd have a considerable force at her disposal and the Lannisters would have zero control of the north. That is something Tywin wants to avoid. That is why he made the deal with Frey and Bolton; end the war and establish someone in the north at least partially allied with the crown / Lannisters.

 

[sactoking]

Why are the Starks relevant at all now though, at least from a marriage/political sense? Bolton (sp?) now has the North and there is nobody to stand in front of them. Is the expectation that if Sansa goes off on her own, marries some random dude, then her kid would have claim to Winterfell/The North?

KT

The Red Wedding was responsible for killing thousands of northerners, not just Starks. Bolton was partially responsible for the Red Wedding. You don't think that the other northerners would band behind the last remaining Stark to depose of the murderous Bolton? Control of Sansa isn't so much about who is Warden in the North as who controls the hearts of the non-Bolton/Karstark northmen, of which there are still many.

 

[blackdogdeek]

I was thinking they should just make a sword attachment for Jamie's missing right-hand.

 

[techs]

As events have unfolded we rarely, if ever, hear the phrase "winter is coming" anymore.

Without Ned Stark to constantly remind everyone it seems people have forgotten about the winter as they have become more involved with their current problems.

 

[momeNt]

I was thinking they should just make a sword attachment for Jamie's missing right-hand.

Like Walking Dead. Good idea!

 

[nageov3t]

As events have unfolded we rarely, if ever, hear the phrase "winter is coming" anymore.

Without Ned Stark to constantly remind everyone it seems people have forgotten about the winter as they have become more involved with their current problems.

Ned was the official calender-keeper of Westeros... now that he's dead, no one has any idea what season it is.

 

[blackdogdeek]

Like Walking Dead. Good idea!

This would probably be even more practical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZj5kU8KbGA

 

[KeithTalent]

Another thing I was thinking about regarding last episode that kind of annoyed me was how the Thannis storyline seemed to completely disregard what happened in the finale of season 3, when the red sorceress said they had to fight the real threat.

Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like after the ominous ending to that story last year, they were going to be doing something more to either prepare for the battle with the white walkers, or be letting other people know, or something, but they were doing essentially nothing. :hmm:

KT

 

[blackdogdeek]

Another thing I was thinking about regarding last episode that kind of annoyed me was how the Thannis storyline seemed to completely disregard what happened in the finale of season 3, when the red sorceress said they had to fight the real threat.

Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like after the ominous ending to that story last year, they were going to be doing something more to either prepare for the battle with the white walkers, or be letting other people know, or something, but they were doing essentially nothing. :hmm:

KT

I also think it's odd that Stannis' wife is suddenly playing a more prominent role, at least in terms of screen time, when I don't think I even remember seeing her at all last season.

 

[KeithTalent]

I also think it's odd that Stannis' wife is suddenly playing a more prominent role, at least in terms of screen time, when I don't think I even remember seeing her at all last season.

Yeah they showed her a little bit last season, but she was very prominent this past episode. Not a fan.

KT

 

[blackdogdeek]

Yeah they showed her a little bit last season, but she was very prominent this past episode. Not a fan.

KT

Me neither. I'd prefer to see more of the red woman doing batsh!t crazy stuff. Otherwise, that whole plotline has become too boring for me. I do still like Stannis' former captain dude who is still hanging around.

 

[KeithTalent]

Me neither. I'd prefer to see more of the red woman doing batsh!t crazy stuff. Otherwise, that whole plotline has become too boring for me. I do still like Stannis' former captain dude who is still hanging around.

Yeah the Onion Knight is awesome and I liked him interacting with Thannis' lizard kid; that was kind of nice.

KT

 

[smackababy]

Another thing I was thinking about regarding last episode that kind of annoyed me was how the Thannis storyline seemed to completely disregard what happened in the finale of season 3, when the red sorceress said they had to fight the real threat.

Maybe I am missing something, but it seems like after the ominous ending to that story last year, they were going to be doing something more to either prepare for the battle with the white walkers, or be letting other people know, or something, but they were doing essentially nothing. :hmm:

KT

I don't think much time has passed since Davos has given Stannis the night's watch letter and the current episode. Stannis has an army he is preparing to move north, and that doesn't just happen overnight. I think they are showing more of his wife to better portray Stannis as less of a hard ass. He actually cares about his daughter and despite her not being a follower of the Lord of Light, won't force her to convert.

 

[KeithTalent]

I don't think much time has passed since Davos has given Stannis the night's watch letter and the current episode. Stannis has an army he is preparing to move north, and that doesn't just happen overnight. I think they are showing more of his wife to better portray Stannis as less of a hard ass. He actually cares about his daughter and despite her not being a follower of the Lord of Light, won't force her to convert.

Yeah fair enough. It's hard to remember sometimes that a lot more time has passed in our world then has in the show.

I did like that he stood up for his daughter.

KT

 

[techs]

Me neither. I'd prefer to see more of the red woman doing batsh!t crazy stuff. Otherwise, that whole plotline has become too boring for me. I do still like Stannis' former captain dude who is still hanging around.

Yeah, the red woman is the only interesting part of that storyline. I don't know why he's the "onion" guy but aside from being a nice guy along with the nice disfigured kid, none of it has me the least bit interested.

 

[smackababy]

Yeah, the red woman is the only interesting part of that storyline. I don't know why he's the "onion" guy but aside from being a nice guy along with the nice disfigured kid, none of it has me the least bit interested.

The Onion Knight is his adviser Davos. He is named the Onion Knight because during the rebellion Stannis was ordered to hold Storm's End and he did. But, during the siege they ran out of food. Davos, being a great smuggler, smuggled in onions and potatoes, which kept them alive. After the rebellion, Stannis knighted Davos after taking 3 of his fingers. Davos kept them in a pouch he wore around his neck until he lost them at Blackwater as a token of the price he gladly paid for a better life for his family. Davos is mocked by other lords (of high birth) as being the Onion Knight, but Davos was never ashamed of it. He even made it his house sigil.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, the red woman is the only interesting part of that storyline. I don't know why he's the "onion" guy but aside from being a nice guy along with the nice disfigured kid, none of it has me the least bit interested.

i guess it's because he looks like an onion and since they all pretty much look the same, and there are about 230 or so different names (many of which also sound the same: Tywin/Tyrion; Bran/Bron blah blah...) I find it better to just make up my own names until half of these people are dead.

problem is, some new obnoxious character is introduced to fill the loss of some now-dead character (Englishman #5's wife; the Horny Prince, etc)

 

[nageov3t]

during the rebellion, Stannis was under siege in his castle by the Tyrells... Davos, a smuggler, helped them last out the siege by smuggling onions (and other foods) into the castle.

as a reward for this service, Davos was made a knight... hence, the older nobles make fun of him by calling him the "Onion Knight."

 

[zinfamous]

The Onion Knight is his adviser Davos. He is named the Onion Knight because during the rebellion Stannis was ordered to hold Storm's End and he did. But, during the siege they ran out of food. Davos, being a great smuggler, smuggled in onions and potatoes, which kept them alive. After the rebellion, Stannis knighted Davos after taking 3 of his fingers. Davos kept them in a pouch he wore around his neck until he lost them at Blackwater as a token of the price he gladly paid for a better life for his family. Davos is mocked by other lords (of high birth) as being the Onion Knight, but Davos was never ashamed of it. He even made it his house sigil.

okay, well I guess there is some story there. I never understood why Englishman5 had to take Onion's fingers as a "price of honor" or whatever. I dont' think I ever will.

funny thing--I think I got through all of season 1 still not knowing Tyrion's name. Season 2 never knowing that there was a Stannis character--I only remember him being discussed by others outside of his scenes, and had to keep going back to figure out who he was and what he looked like. Even at the beginning of season 3, when Onion is abandoned on that rock and rescued, I thought that was Stannis because I recall him being in those scenes with the Red vagina monster lady and that the real stannis just blended and looked like all the other actors. I recalled the scene early between him and his brother, but again Onion guy's face was in my memory.

 

[techs]

I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

I think we know see the wife more because she became a disciple of the red woman. My money is on a threesome going on.

 

[Phoenix86]

Why are the Starks relevant at all now though, at least from a marriage/political sense? Bolton (sp?) now has the North and there is nobody to stand in front of them. Is the expectation that if Sansa goes off on her own, marries some random dude, then her kid would have claim to Winterfell/The North?

KT

The Bolton's are worried about it enough they are sending the guy who cut Jamie's hand off to get them. The concern is the Starks have pretty much always ruled the north and the people there would follow any Stark.

 

[techs]

The Bolton's are worried about it enough they are sending the guy who cut Jamie's hand off to get them. The concern is the Starks have pretty much always ruled the north and the people there would follow any Stark.

I would think the Boltons don't want the Iron islands guys to set up a stronghold on their northern flank from which they could launch attacks southward.

 

[smackababy]

okay, well I guess there is some story there. I never understood why Englishman5 had to take Onion's fingers as a "price of honor" or whatever. I dont' think I ever will.

Stannis took his fingers as punishment for being a smuggler. He then knighted him. Davos merely looks at them as a price he willingly would pay for the lands and titles that his family now has, as they are in a much better position than they were when he was a smuggler.

Stannis also trusts him out of all his advisers because he isn't simply trying to gain favor or position. He (Davos) looks up to Stannis and values him as a leader, and the king. Davos is also almost always brutally honest, much to Stannis' dismay, but he appreciates it.

 

[zinfamous]

Stannis took his fingers as punishment for being a smuggler. He then knighted him. Davos merely looks at them as a price he willingly would pay for the lands and titles that his family now has, as they are in a much better position than they were when he was a smuggler.

Stannis also trusts him out of all his advisers because he isn't simply trying to gain favor or position. He (Davos) looks up to Stannis and values him as a leader, and the king. Davos is also almost always brutally honest, much to Stannis' dismay, but he appreciates it.

ah, OK that makes sense, then. I do like the Onion guy--wish he would just kill Stannis and be done with it (not that I outright dislike Stannis or think he is evil--just foolish and a bit misguided--but because I find him boring )