Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[BladeVenom]

I never got the impression that the Bolton's were that powerful. How do you figure that they are the second most powerful? I am firmly under the impression that they were a lesser lord and kinda still are. Harrenhal isn't exactly a catch. It's a giant, half melted castle that everyone hates. The North is also not under control. Before any of that Greatjon Umber was more important than Roose Bolton. I don't know what happened to that guy though. You then had the Karstarks and the Manderleys. He only seems powerful now because the Lannisters gave him a title for betraying the Starks at the red wedding.

The speech Cersei gave Margaery and the story about the Reynes of Castamere. In summary, the most powerful house always has to watch out for the 2nd most powerful house. Which is foreshadowing the Frey's overthrowing the Tullys and the Boltons overthrowing the Starks.

Harrenhal wasn't Bolton's castle. It was just a strategic spot in the Riverlands.

If the Bolton's and Frey's were minor houses, and not the 2nd most powerful houses in each of their kingdoms, they'd be quickly overthrown by stronger houses.

You mentioned the Manderlys, but I don't think they have really been talked about yet in the show.

Spoiler

I think they have more money than the Boltons, but the Boltons have more land, a stronger castle, and more enlisted soldiers at the start of the war. So Wyman Manderly is building ships and hiring soldiers, but was still not ready to fight the Boltons yet.

 

[blankslate]

I was bummed there was no pig riding at the wedding.

PETA and also a direct book reference might draw some ire around here.


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[techs]

I was bummed there was no pig riding at the wedding.

I'm curious. Why would someone post in both the book spoiler thread and then in this, the non book spoiler thread? Was their pig riding in the books? If so you just posted something that is technically a book spoiler, though not important at all. Now if someone goes and reads the books you have posted a spoiler for them

So, just for my curiousity, why did you do this?

 

[BladeVenom]

he married her to secure alliance with the Freys, and if you have to marry for political purposes, and all the choices are going to be poor (ie Freys) might as well take the one that pays the most.

would you choose hotty who will get you murdered because you avoid marrying a likely uggo from house Frey to secure the alliance you needed to come out on top in the war... Robb chose the former, Roose chose the latter.

Not all the Frey girls were ugly. Roslin was really hot. A few of the others were decent looking, maybe not Hollywood hot, but doable. I don't think Freya and Sarra were bad looking. I think he also had a lot more that weren't shown if Bolton wanted to look at them all.

Taking the one that pays the most isn't going to make a skinflint like Walder as happy, as if he would have chosen a thinner girl.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Stannis has the best claim out of everyone. Well except maybe Daenery. I also feel he is kinda like Daenerys in that he is backed by a more powerful force than men.

Having the best claim has nothing to do with personal opinions about who would make the "best" ruler. Stannis has the best claim, but he's burning "heretics" at the stake because they don't worship the same God as the woman who gives him a boner, and in my mind, that makes someone a shitty king. Daenerys is running around freeing slaves and burning slavers to the ground, and I can appreciate that. As far as who would make the best king? Tywin and Olenna should marry and rule together. Between them, all bullshit in Westeros would be wiped out in a matter of days. Or how about Littlefinger? If chaos is a ladder, what happens when you reach the highest rung? No more chaos. He could single-handedly save the realm.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Their kingdom is kinda screwed up so I don't know if they deserve the best king possible. Maybe just one that will keep the peace and kill the ice monsters.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm curious. Why would someone post in both the book spoiler thread and then in this, the non book spoiler thread? Was their pig riding in the books? If so you just posted something that is technically a book spoiler, though not important at all. Now if someone goes and reads the books you have posted a spoiler for them

So, just for my curiousity, why did you do this?

You need a life.

Seriously, even when people say things that won't affect a thing in the TV show you go nutcase.

 

[Anubis]

Having the best claim has nothing to do with personal opinions about who would make the "best" ruler. Stannis has the best claim, but he's burning "heretics" at the stake because they don't worship the same God as the woman who gives him a boner, and in my mind, that makes someone a shitty king. Daenerys is running around freeing slaves and burning slavers to the ground, and I can appreciate that. As far as who would make the best king? Tywin and Olenna should marry and rule together. Between them, all bullshit in Westeros would be wiped out in a matter of days. Or how about Littlefinger? If chaos is a ladder, what happens when you reach the highest rung? No more chaos. He could single-handedly save the realm.

tyrion would actually make the best king. he actually knows WTF to do and is generally not a total ass to everyone like tywin

Olenna prob would be ok as well

 

[quikah]

You need a life.

Seriously, even when people say things that won't affect a thing in the TV show you go nutcase.

Heh, here is a book spoiler, the word 'the' is used repeatedly!

 

[GagHalfrunt]

tyrion would actually make the best king. he actually knows WTF to do and is generally not a total ass to everyone like tywin

Olenna prob would be ok as well

Even Stannis. Sure, he's an asshole, but he would keep order and likely get spending under control. What the realm needs is any king who is capable, sane and wants to do the right thing. After an insane king, an absentee king who spent all his time wenching and hunting and then Joffrey, hell, pretty much any contender for the throne looks good at this point.

 

[cubby1223]

Personally I'm rooting for the white walkers to come down and take out every last noble, leaving the commoners to live free from the stupidity of the ruling class

 

[bononos]

He's one of the guys I quoted in my emails with the mods. It was easy to show time and again he posted book spoilers and that's why there are now two threads. If he does it again I think he might just get a holiday to reconsider his reasons for trying to ruin the show for non book readers.

btw do what I did. Go to User CP and put him on your ignore list.. A lot of people have done it to him and its lovely not to see any of his posts. If you don't ignore him please don't quote him because that shows his posts to those of us who have ignored him.

I'm won't spoil for the others by quoting his spoilers. I just wanted to bring up his hypocrisy.

And a mod was clear that posting any book details even after the same scenes from the tv series is prohibited post 5746.

Mongrel and Blankslate are some of those I've seen who have broken this rule. Blankslate is playacting his naivete when he posted details about the wedding and added "Interesting circumstantial evidence to think about" rather slyly (post 5779) when he has read the books and is frequenting the spoilers thread.

 

[ch33zw1z]

 

[AViking]

The speech Cersei gave Margaery and the story about the Reynes of Castamere. In summary, the most powerful house always has to watch out for the 2nd most powerful house. Which is foreshadowing the Frey's overthrowing the Tullys and the Boltons overthrowing the Starks.

Harrenhal wasn't Bolton's castle. It was just a strategic spot in the Riverlands.

If the Bolton's and Frey's were minor houses, and not the 2nd most powerful houses in each of their kingdoms, they'd be quickly overthrown by stronger houses.

You mentioned the Manderlys, but I don't think they have really been talked about yet in the show.

Spoiler

I think they have more money than the Boltons, but the Boltons have more land, a stronger castle, and more enlisted soldiers at the start of the war. So Wyman Manderly is building ships and hiring soldiers, but was still not ready to fight the Boltons yet.

I could be wrong but I could have sworn that Harrenhal was abandoned. They were just using that as a strategic spot for Vargo to raid the north and cause mayhem on behalf of the Lannisters. It wasn't until the red wedding that Bolton was rewarded as Warden of the north. Vargo and his gang are just a group of thugs and sellswords. Bolton now has them under his control. I might be fuzzy on the details but really the only power Bolton has ever had was helping Rob Stark once Karstark and the Umbers were gone. Karstark was beheaded and his men left and the Umbers were ordered back up north. At best that makes him the fourth most powerful. Add the Manderleys and he's down to 5th.

 

[AViking]

I'm curious. Why would someone post in both the book spoiler thread and then in this, the non book spoiler thread? Was their pig riding in the books? If so you just posted something that is technically a book spoiler, though not important at all. Now if someone goes and reads the books you have posted a spoiler for them

So, just for my curiousity, why did you do this?

Tech I know you're having a hard time irl but seriously give it a break. That is in NO way a spoiler. On any level.

We have to be able to have this thread without tons of post whining about what might or might not be a spoiler. It just doesn't work otherwise.

 

[bononos]

Tech I know you're having a hard time irl but seriously give it a break. That is in NO way a spoiler. On any level.

We have to be able to have this thread without tons of post whining about what might or might not be a spoiler. It just doesn't work otherwise.

People who read the books(myself included) were forced to post in this thread with spoiler tags but now there is no reason to do so. This is a thread where no-one spoils the show and the books for them if they decide to read them later. There should be no spoiler tags needed for this thread because nothing from the books is supposed to be discussed.

The admin's instructions for this thread (post 5746):
".....posting anything the show watchers would not know from just watching the show is considered a spoiler."

 

[dmoney1980]

One thing the show doesn't really cover is how the Lannisters get their money. Tywin and Tyrion complain in the show about the cost of the wedding and the debt they accrued over the years, to the point of having the Tyrells pay for the wedding. Yet, they have the resources to pay everybody off at will.

I guess it's just like real life politics - it's just a bunch of numbers on paper being moved around.

 

[Spineshank]

I'm curious. Why would someone post in both the book spoiler thread and then in this, the non book spoiler thread? Was their pig riding in the books? If so you just posted something that is technically a book spoiler, though not important at all. Now if someone goes and reads the books you have posted a spoiler for them

So, just for my curiousity, why did you do this?

Well for starters I didnt post this in the book thread. Secondly, its there not their. If me saying something about pig riding is a spoiler...then someone has other issues beyond me "spoiling" something that is already in the past in the show.

 

[Spineshank]

One thing the show doesn't really cover is how the Lannisters get their money. Tywin and Tyrion complain in the show about the cost of the wedding and the debt they accrued over the years, to the point of having the Tyrells pay for the wedding. Yet, they have the resources to pay everybody off at will.

I guess it's just like real life politics - it's just a bunch of numbers on paper being moved around.

I didnt take it as Tywin saying the Lannisters are broke. I took it as the city is broke.

 

[nageov3t]

One thing the show doesn't really cover is how the Lannisters get their money. Tywin and Tyrion complain in the show about the cost of the wedding and the debt they accrued over the years, to the point of having the Tyrells pay for the wedding. Yet, they have the resources to pay everybody off at will.

I guess it's just like real life politics - it's just a bunch of numbers on paper being moved around.

purely based on speculation and the fact that the Lannister's lands are a mountainous region, I assume it must be a big mining region of the continent (gold and iron)

the Crown is very, very broke. the Lannister's wealth is mostly separate from that, though, and something like refusing to pay for the wedding could just be a rich person staying rich by being cheap.

 

[techs]

Well for starters I didnt post this in the book thread. Secondly, its there not their. If me saying something about pig riding is a spoiler...then someone has other issues beyond me "spoiling" something that is already in the past in the show.

I was not questioning your post about pig riding, but the general question as to why people would be posting in both threads?

But, since you raised it, why would you post a spoiler for someone who had not read the books? Isn't that ruining the book experience for them?

 

[smackababy]

I was not questioning your post about pig riding, but the general question as to why people would be posting in both threads?

Because some people enjoy the show AND the books. And since discussing the show in the book thread would be pretty silly, they post here concerning the show.

But, since you raised it, why would you post a spoiler for someone who had not read the books? Isn't that ruining the book experience for them?

If you haven't read the books and don't want to be spoiled, too bad. A Dance With Dragons released in 2011. Should I not spoil the last Harry Potter movie, Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger, X-Men: First Class, or any other movie from 2011 either?

 

[techs]

Hey, dickhead, I have cancer and its 50/50 that I will make it to the next season. I am on heavy drugs and undergoing chemotherapy. Because of this I sometimes forget what happened in the previous episode or two, or miss something while watching the current episode. I come into this thread to clear those things up. AND I DON'T WANT SOME ASSHOLE SPOILING THE NEXT EPISODE FOR ME.

 

[ZaneNBK]

If you haven't read the books and don't want to be spoiled, too bad. A Dance With Dragons released in 2011. Should I not spoil the last Harry Potter movie, Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger, X-Men: First Class, or any other movie from 2011 either?

Since the mods have stated no book spoilers in this thread, your personal opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Hey, dickhead, I have cancer and its 50/50 that I will make it to the next season. I am on heavy drugs and undergoing chemotherapy. Because of this I sometimes forget what happened in the previous episode or two, or miss something while watching the current episode. I come into this thread to clear those things up. AND I DON'T WANT SOME ASSHOLE SPOILING THE NEXT EPISODE FOR ME.

I wasn't directing it at anyone in particular, just a funny picture to me when people start complaining about trivial things in life.

While I'm sorry to hear about your illness, GoT spoilers sound like the least of your problems.

I'm not really sure if I even believe you. If I was in that situation, I would not be giving two shits about GoT in general.