Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[techs]

It's "Who shot JR?" all over again.

Yeah, pretty much. I'm sure they expected the internet to go wild with theories and speculation. I wonder if we will ever actually know. They might not actually tell us and leave us with all the major characters denying it. The only thing pointing against that is it leaves Tyrion holding the cup and I don't think they are going to execute him so they will have to at least figure out a way to pin it on someone else.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

varys is involved with the murder plot, along with the tyrells and dontos. the camera keeps cutting back to him, and his expression is always grim anticipation. he knows what's coming.

Not buying it. The camera cuts around that scene 1000 times and everyone except Cersei looks the same. She's beaming at watching Joffrey trying to humiliate Tyrion, everyone else has the same uncomfortable look as Varys does. His little birds are everywhere and while it's possible that he knows and chooses to not say anything figuring the realm would be better if Joffrey got whacked, there's not a single shred of evidence of that from the camera cuts or Varys' expression. Even if you make the leap of logic to Varys knowing, it's another giant leap for him to be involved. Again, no evidence at all from the look on his face or the camera angles.

 

[LegendKiller]

Not buying it. The camera cuts around that scene 1000 times and everyone except Cersei looks the same. She's beaming at watching Joffrey trying to humiliate Tyrion, everyone else has the same uncomfortable look as Varys does. His little birds are everywhere and while it's possible that he knows and chooses to not say anything figuring the realm would be better if Joffrey got whacked, there's not a single shred of evidence of that from the camera cuts or Varys' expression. Even if you make the leap of logic to Varys knowing, it's another giant leap for him to be involved. Again, no evidence at all from the look on his face or the camera angles.

Varys is like the NSA of his time. He has his "little birds" everywhere. If there is any type of plot underfoot in Kings Landing, he knows. Heck, he knew what was going on with Dany when she was half way across the world.

 

[LegendKiller]

It's "Who shot JR?" all over again.

The episode makes it clear who did it. Now who was behind the killer is the question.

 

[Ichinisan]

The fool and the necklace was mentioned here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36261524&postcount=5205

and Lady Oleana was mentioned fiddling with a necklace here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36261609&postcount=5207
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36260917&postcount=5180

Posts 5204, 5405, and 5406 run the subjects together

Sorry, but you seem to be indicating that I should assume people in here are oblivious idiots and should only refer to the most general things about the show.

Me glad Joffrey deaded.
Sansa so purty, but actress 2 tall

As for what I have spoken about in the spoilers allowed thread I haven't seen anyone post anything about those things in any post here within the past week. Which is when I started perusing this forum thread again with the start of this season.

I don't think anyone will either talk, in this thread, about what I posted about in the spoiler thread either.
Because those things are entirely different things than what is being discussed in the T.V. series.

I haven't fully read the books in several years aside from book 5.
So I'm watching the show and relearning things that I've forgotten things that I might not have caught when I read the novels.


TDLR: solely for you bononos

Spoiler

Redacted super secret squirrel spoiler stuff

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I don't even understand why my brother is having our partially[?]-senile mother watch this show, but even she pointed-out Sansa's necklace when Oleanna was fiddling with it. My mother is a woman who misses EVERYTHING. I was actually quite surprised when she said something about the necklace while it was happening. She could tell there was a plot afoot and had a hunch that the necklace is somehow a part of it. None of us have read the books.

 

[Ichinisan]

They also were inferring that Cersei poisoned Jon Aryn. She, again, was going to poison herself and her OTHER son if the city were sacked. She lamented losing control of Joffery and hates the Tyrells. She loses the bad son who was out of control and nothing else by framing the Tyrells. It also gets her out of her wedding to Loras. She even gets to frame her hated brother, which she immediately accuses. Her statement that she was still the queen even after the wedding cements it: Mommy did it.

The main reason I believe Cersei did it: She contradicts Pycell as soon as he refers to Margaery Tyrell as "queen."

"...but Queen Margaery said --"

"-- YOUR QUEEN [Cersei] orders you to take the leftover food to the kennels."

I think she knew that Joffrey would die and she would be queen again until her other son is of age.

 

[techs]

The episode makes it clear who did it. Now who was behind the killer is the question.

The big question is Margary queen if they haven't consummated. We don't know the law on that in Kings Landing. Though if Margary were to announce she was pregnant with Joffreys baby what would happen then? Would the baby still be in line for the throne? Tywin may not be the only one interested in his "family" so strongly. Maybe Margary was knocked up by a cousin of hers with Oleanna's goal of the new King not inheriting Lannasiter blood.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Varys is like the NSA of his time. He has his "little birds" everywhere. If there is any type of plot underfoot in Kings Landing, he knows. Heck, he knew what was going on with Dany when she was half way across the world.

Fine, if you want to ascribe superpowers to Varys and his spy network then you can make the jump to him knowing what was going to happen. But even if you go that far there is no reason to believe that he was involved and there was nothing in the Purple Wedding scene that points in either direction. The camera angles and facial expressions gave away nothing.

 

[LegendKiller]

Fine, if you want to ascribe superpowers to Varys and his spy network then you can make the jump to him knowing what was going to happen. But even if you go that far there is no reason to believe that he was involved and there was nothing in the Purple Wedding scene that points in either direction. The camera angles and facial expressions gave away nothing.

Nothing happens in that city without him knowing it. They have stressed that over, and over, and over, and over, and over throughout the series. He knows when people come and go, where they are, and what they are doing. He knew Caitlin was there when nobody else did. He knew where all of Tyrions secret's were hidden.

Do you really think Dontos, an utter fool, could escape with Sansa without Varys knowing?

 

[LegendKiller]

The main reason I believe Cersei did it: She contradicts Pycell as soon as he refers to Margaery Tyrell as "queen."

"...but Queen Margaery said --"

"-- YOUR QUEEN [Cersei] orders you to take the leftover food to the kennels."

I think she knew that Joffrey would die and she would be queen again until her other son is of age.

Cersei is a dipshit who plays the "game" poorly, that has also been stressed before. She wants to grab as much power as possible and sees her as her father's true heir, even if she's completely stupid about it.

 

[techs]

I don't even understand why my brother is having our partially[?]-senile mother watch this show, but even she pointed-out Sansa's necklace when Oleanna was fiddling with it. My mother is a woman who misses EVERYTHING. I was actually quite surprised when she said something about the necklace while it was happening. She could tell there was a plot afoot and had a hunch that the necklace is somehow a part of it. None of us have read the books.

I don't think people are ignoring the necklace/Oleanna thing. We just beat it to death and are now moving on to who might have been in on it and the ramifications of it and the possibilities if it were not Oleanna and it was a diversion by the shows producers.

 

[LegendKiller]

I don't think people are ignoring the necklace/Oleanna thing. We just beat it to death and are now moving on to who might have been in on it and the ramifications of it and the possibilities if it were not Oleanna and it was a diversion by the shows producers.

You are ignoring the rest of the dinner sequence. Where was the cup before Joffery picked it up again?

 

[Ichinisan]

Cersei is a dipshit who plays the "game" poorly, that has also been stressed before. She wants to grab as much power as possible and sees her as her father's true heir, even if she's completely stupid about it.

...that doesn't mean she's not behind this. I thoroughly expect her cocky carelessness to get her busted in the end.

 

[Ichinisan]

I don't think people are ignoring the necklace/Oleanna thing. We just beat it to death and are now moving on to who might have been in on it and the ramifications of it and the possibilities if it were not Oleanna and it was a diversion by the shows producers.

I suspect the actual plotters are trying to implicate Sansa to draw suspicion away from themselves.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Nothing happens in that city without him knowing it. They have stressed that over, and over, and over, and over, and over throughout the series. He knows when people come and go, where they are, and what they are doing. He knew Caitlin was there when nobody else did. He knew where all of Tyrions secret's were hidden.

Do you really think Dontos, an utter fool, could escape with Sansa without Varys knowing?

Try to get this through your head: Him KNOWING about the plan and him PARTICIPATING in the plan are two different things. VERY VERY different things. Maybe he knew, but there is nothing to suggest that he was involved and the abilities of his network does not change that simple fact.

 

[LegendKiller]

Try to get this through your head: Him KNOWING about the plan and him PARTICIPATING in the plan are two different things. VERY VERY different things. Maybe he knew, but there is nothing to suggest that he was involved and the abilities of his network does not change that simple fact.

What the fuck is your problem? It's a show, no need to get insulting, douchecanoe.

I suspect he was in on it. Why? Because again, nothing happens there without his knowledge and he obviously has other motives. We saw that with Cat being in the city but him not telling anybody else. Why would he do that? I think he even helped hide her if I remember correctly, him with Littlefinger.

He has helped Tyrion hide Shae and carry out orders contravening Cersei before.

By knowing that Sansa was escaping through his network and *not* doing anything about it means he not only didn't do anything but prevented her capture, which he would be very richly rewarded for doing.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Snape killed joffrey. Sorry forgot spoiler tag.

 

[zinfamous]

Hey, guys

I picked up some Cornish Hens recently on sale, so guess what I'll be eating for Easter?

 

[zinfamous]

The main reason I believe Cersei did it: She contradicts Pycell as soon as he refers to Margaery Tyrell as "queen."

"...but Queen Margaery said --"

"-- YOUR QUEEN [Cersei] orders you to take the leftover food to the kennels."

I think she knew that Joffrey would die and she would be queen again until her other son is of age.

I just took that as her unwilling to give up any power, much less title. She also hates Margeary/the Tyrells, so I think she's just enforcing her stance of dominance whenever she can.

Now, I am intrigued by your Cersei idea and I think it has legs.

I don't see Varys as being directly involved--it would be hard to think he didn't know about it, and so perhaps is saying nothing could be seen as involvement. Between he and Little Finger, he seems to be the one of the two that shows any sense of honor. I didn't like him at first, but after watching the 1st BluRay stuff on maesters and their role in the kingdom, especially the eunuchs, I get it--he serves the realm and no particularly family. As such, he is so far presented as the only one with no direct allegiance, and is, in fact, aiming to solve things with little bloodshed--though he is not beneath seeking personal retribution.

Old creepy dude is a piece of shit Lannister knobjobber, and Little Finger will betray anyone as long as it advances his station (Still like that character), while Varys seems to be the only honorable weasel of the bunch--I felt his attempts to save Ned were genuine, and he even convinced Ned to admit treason, understanding that it would save his life (too bad Joffrey was a prick)

 

[Drako]

Hey, guys

I picked up some Cornish Hens recently on sale, so guess what I'll be eating for Easter?

Think you'll take two chickens.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Snape killed joffrey. Sorry forgot spoiler tag.

reported.

 

[zinfamous]

Spoiler

Think you'll take two chickens.

Dude! spoilers! Because YOU ARE CORRECT! :awe:

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Think you'll take two chickens.

All your talking is making me thirsty.

 

[blankslate]

Do you really think Dontos, an utter fool, could escape with Sansa without Varys knowing?

Try to get this through your head: Him KNOWING about the plan and him PARTICIPATING in the plan are two different things.

What the fuck is your problem? It's a show, no need to get insulting, douchecanoe.

Hey... hey. guys there's no need to go into Techs Rage mode on each other....

After all it's not like any one yet knows that [sp0iler]Varys is the Kwisatz Haderach who's coming was foretold by the Fremen prophesies[/spoiler]


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[Ichinisan]

Hey, guys

I picked up some Cornish Hens recently on sale, so guess what I'll be eating for Easter?

You're going to eat every fucking chicken in that place?