Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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Ichinisan

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I just took that as her unwilling to give up any power, much less title. She also hates Margeary/the Tyrells, so I think she's just enforcing her stance of dominance whenever she can.

Now, I am intrigued by your Cersei idea and I think it has legs.

I don't see Varys as being directly involved--it would be hard to think he didn't know about it, and so perhaps is saying nothing could be seen as involvement. Between he and Little Finger, he seems to be the one of the two that shows any sense of honor. I didn't like him at first, but after watching the 1st BluRay stuff on maesters and their role in the kingdom, especially the eunuchs, I get it--he serves the realm and no particularly family. As such, he is so far presented as the only one with no direct allegiance, and is, in fact, aiming to solve things with little bloodshed--though he is not beneath seeking personal retribution.

Old creepy dude is a piece of shit Lannister knobjobber, and Little Finger will betray anyone as long as it advances his station (Still like that character), while Varys seems to be the only honorable weasel of the bunch--I felt his attempts to save Ned were genuine, and he even convinced Ned to admit treason, understanding that it would save his life (too bad Joffrey was a prick)
Yeah. Her command to Pycell was in direct defiance of Margaery. I think she knew there would be no repercussions.
 
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bononos

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The fool and the necklace was mentioned here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36261524&postcount=5205
and Lady Oleana was mentioned fiddling with a necklace here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36261609&postcount=5207
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36260917&postcount=5180

Posts 5204, 5405, and 5406 run the subjects together
Sorry, but you seem to be indicating that I should assume people in here are oblivious idiots and should only refer to the most general things about the show.
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There is a difference when people who have not read the books speculating about the murder/choking of Joffrey vs yourself. You already know what happened, so to post your 'observation' and imply a 'hey everyone, what do you think of this?' comment after it is obviously playacting.
 
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i just watched the 1st episode again. in addition to the cold open, lots of subtle changes to the title sequence in sound, visual and score. white walkers in the first scene of the show and then they're all hype for 4 years - why should i give a shit about them?

winterfell - he's dead...he's dead...he's dead...he's dead...you suck, theon...you suck, jon...he's dead...she's dead...he's dead...you're an idiot, sansa...he's dead...the queen's an off the scale bitch...he's dead...

dothraki - yep, they're there in ep 1. now those guys were fun!

the early shows had a lot more sex, violence, intrigue and pace than today's (which are still pretty outrageous compared to most programs). after revisiting where it all started, its current state is feels pretty close to an average soap opera, with exceptions like a wedding massacre here and there.

douchecanoe

ROTFL
 

JEDI

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Personally I'm rooting for the white walkers to come down and take out every last noble, leaving the commoners to live free from the stupidity of the ruling class

there's a blind targarean at Black Castle.
is he fireproof like dragon mother?
and can he summon the dragons?

no idea if this actually happens. just wondering.
 

CZroe

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I really don't understand why they made (Tyrion) Dinklage do that accent but, it is the most distracting think about the show to me. His father and siblings have Americanized accents - why did the choose to make him sound more European?

Emma Peel is always great.

Because he is more learned.
 

AViking

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Varys is not a psychic. He doesn't know everything unless someone is there to see, hear, smell, or touch it. At least I don't think he's a psychic. Did he know about the red wedding?
 

ZaneNBK

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The main reason I believe Cersei did it: She contradicts Pycell as soon as he refers to Margaery Tyrell as "queen."

"...but Queen Margaery said --"

"-- YOUR QUEEN [Cersei] orders you to take the leftover food to the kennels."

I think she knew that Joffrey would die and she would be queen again until her other son is of age.

She was still Queen until the marriage was consummated. I think she wasn't worried about revenge because Queens don't have much power compared to the King or King's Hand and the King didn't give a crap about giving food to the poor and both the King and King's Hand were her immediate family. At worst she probably would've gotten a pooh pooh from Tywin if Margaery tried to force the issue. More likely, in true GoT style, Margaery would remember the insult and get back at her in some indirect way in the future, but I doubt it would have ended up being more than an annoyance or inconvenience.

IIRC the pairing was Tywin's idea anyway and Cersei was probably against it because it wasn't her idea.
 

ZaneNBK

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Varys is not a psychic. He doesn't know everything unless someone is there to see, hear, smell, or touch it. At least I don't think he's a psychic. Did he know about the red wedding?

Yeah, Varys likes to convince others he knows and sees all, because perception of power is power. If people believe he has that many spies and that much knowledge then they'll afford him more respect and most likely behave differently around him, especially if they've done something they don't want him (or other powerful people he works with) to know about. That alone can give him additional information.

Maybe he does have that kind of spy network and knowledge but I seriously doubt it. I'm sure he sees and knows plenty, just not as much as he likes to tell others he does.
 
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CZroe

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I've read the books probably 4-5 times and no, you're not being obscure. You're either not very intelligent and think you're being subtle, or just a douche. Your obscure references are enough for anyone with half a brain to figure out the implications.

The books have been out for fricking ages and there are dedicated GOT forums - why would you even want to discuss it now and here?

This. And he thinks his wife is "bright" for catching on to things faster than the "average viewer" when he's probably doing the same crap to her that he's done to us.
 

CZroe

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congrats thorn ... you are now a thorn at my side, as well as those who seek this status-unobtainable-except-for-a-few

i am using my bm6, so no need for a slocket... can't get mine to be stable enough that high sometimes the sucker does not even post.

I couldn't disagree more. Granted, you are correct in everything it attempted to do and what it meant, but it was the most blunt, inelegant way possible to do it.

Seriously. They are at a whore house but they just sit around singing about their glorious family?! It's as if I went to Amsterdam's Red Light district or whatever with my brother and just sat there singing America the Beautiful or something...
...which pisses off someone who hates Americans so much that he's ready to murder me just because a song identified me as one...
...and then he decides not to just because another American he hates showed up in the middle of it.

Say want you will about not having a "clever" plot device to substitute for almost necessary narration, but there was nothing clever about this schlock.

Clumsy and forced.
 
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MongGrel

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The fool and the necklace was mentioned here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36261524&postcount=5205

and Lady Oleana was mentioned fiddling with a necklace here
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36261609&postcount=5207
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36260917&postcount=5180

Posts 5204, 5405, and 5406 run the subjects together

Sorry, but you seem to be indicating that I should assume people in here are oblivious idiots and should only refer to the most general things about the show.

Me glad Joffrey deaded.
Sansa so purty, but actress 2 tall

As for what I have spoken about in the spoilers allowed thread I haven't seen anyone post anything about those things in any post here within the past week. Which is when I started perusing this forum thread again with the start of this season.

I don't think anyone will either talk, in this thread, about what I posted about in the spoiler thread either.
Because those things are entirely different things than what is being discussed in the T.V. series.

I haven't fully read the books in several years aside from book 5.
So I'm watching the show and relearning things that I've forgotten things that I might not have caught when I read the novels.


TDLR: solely for you bononos
Redacted super secret squirrel spoiler stuff



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You have to just assume that more or less.

Zinfamous seems like a secret book reader to me.
 

Ichinisan

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congrats thorn ... you are now a thorn at my side, as well as those who seek this status-unobtainable-except-for-a-few

i am using my bm6, so no need for a slocket... can't get mine to be stable enough that high sometimes the sucker does not even post.
I couldn't disagree more. Granted, you are correct in everything it attempted to do and what it meant, but it was the most blunt, inelegant way possible to do it.

Seriously. They are at a whore house but they just sit around singing about their glorious family?! It's as if I went to Amsterdam's Red Light district or whatever with my brother and just sat there singing America the Beautiful or something...
...which pisses off someone who hates Americans so much that he's ready to murder me just because a song identified me as one...
...and then he decides not to just because another American he hates showed up in the middle of it.

Say want you will about not having a "clever" plot device to substitute for almost necessary narration, but there was nothing clever about this schlock.
Huhwut?
 

MongGrel

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I dont see how back story info is spoilers. Obviously they leave a ton of back story out on the show so it makes things simpler to understand.
Back story = books, which apparently = spoilers.

Even if someone discusses how they differ apparently.
 

blankslate

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Jun 16, 2008
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There is a difference when people who have not read the books speculating about the murder/choking of Joffrey vs yourself. You already know what happened, so to post your 'observation' and imply a 'hey everyone, what do you think of this?' comment after it is obviously playacting.


Ok then everyone in here is a functional 6th grader as you demand high overlord of the GOT thread

Jawohl Herr bononos
 
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Well you're either really fond of soap operas, as you've labeled GoT, or you're just in this thread to shit on the show... So, shitting complete, time to find a fresh clean thread for you to soil?

i'm here to discuss the show. if my opinions differ from yours or anyone else's, then tough dragon eggs for you, zanes of castamere.
 

Newbian

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there's a blind targarean at Black Castle.
is he fireproof like dragon mother?
and can he summon the dragons?

no idea if this actually happens. just wondering.

The thing is not all are able to be worthy of it as we saw with her brother who was not impervious to fire much less hot wax during his sex scene.
 
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