Printer Bandit
Lifer
- Mar 16, 2005
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That's all anyone ever expected. Who honestly thought the gem was poison? Talking about her hand over the cup was inferring that she put poison in it. The reason her hands look empty in between is because she put the jewel in her pocket.Maybe she stole the gem not to poison the drink, but to plant it where it would incriminate Sansa for the murder?
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the usurper blankslate...tsssssssss!
the usurper mongrel...tssssss!
the god of goats has answered our prayers
wtf? why the hell aren't you banned yet?
you do realize that comment is EXACTLY what was forbidden from you openly-professed, nerdgasming bookreaders? seriously, dude. as annoyed as I get with constant witch-hunt spoiler attacks that aren't spoilers, this comment is exactly what was forbidden.
I haven't read the books. i never will. if you doubt that, you can spend the time searching these forums to disprove that comment. it will be tough--there are probably hundreds of comments scattered throughout these pages were I endlessly shit on the entire fantasy genre, even 98% of sci fi, and well before these shows were released. I think I've annoyed enough fantasy readers in these forums, that not a single person would believe your blind assertion.
That's all anyone ever expected. Who honestly thought the gem was poison? Talking about her hand over the cup was inferring that she put poison in it. The reason her hands look empty in between is because she put the jewel in her pocket.
Blankslate and Mongrel have been asked to refrain from posting in this thread. The rest of you can get back to discussing this television show rather than bickering and arguing over who spoiled who. -Admin DrPizza
Blankslate and Mongrel have been asked to refrain from posting in this thread. The rest of you can get back to discussing this television show rather than bickering and arguing over who spoiled who. -Admin DrPizza
Such deniability didn't work when it came to the assasin with his knife. He was still taken prisoner and tried.Or maybe he's SO smart that he wants us to BELIEVE if it were his plan he'd be half a planet away when instead he made it to look like it was too obvious to be him.
Doh. Seriously, I though the gem was actually a dissolving poison and the guise of the gems was used because that way they could see the other gems were also poison to prove Sansa's involvement.
No, but it makes him the least likely suspect. He's never been shown as anything other than a monumental screw-up. It would be a deus ex machina moment if he suddenly got his act together well enough to plot the murder of a king. I think he's just a drunk who is smitten with Sansa, not a co-conspirator. If he was involved in any way it would be more reasonable to believe that he's an unwitting patsy being used by somebody more intelligent in case something went wrong.
Maybe the Dornish Prince Oberyn too? Though I think Tywin would have been his target and I also don't think he would be very discrete. Still, his involvement is possible.
Yeah, but that would be a weak point where the plan could fall apart if Sansa decided not to wear it after all, or she somehow poisoned herself before it could all go down. I still think the jewel is only meant to implicate Sansa and wasn't poisoned.
Well we're covering a lot of possible scenarios, someone will be close enough to say "ah-ha!".Basically everyone except Tyrion is a suspect at this point. Then again, maybe Tyrion did do it.....
One thing I am predicting is that we won't get the answer right away. It wouldn't surprise me if we didn't get any scenes of Kings Landing this coming episode.
Not "unwitting." It's clear to me that Lady Tyrell got the fancy necklace she wanted and put the drunk up to it. His job was to ensure that Sansa received it and wore it to the wedding and his story about being the last of his family did the trick. Heck, she probably even loosened the stone first.
Which do you think really happened? There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Dontos was involved in any substantive way. He's never been shown to be anything other than a fuck-up, do you honestly believe that whoever masterminded the murder of a king would let Dontos in on the details? That's freaking ridiculous. His role, if any, was unwitting.
Yeah, but that would be a weak point where the plan could fall apart if Sansa decided not to wear it after all, or she somehow poisoned herself before it could all go down.
I still think the jewel is only meant to implicate Sansa and wasn't poisoned.
So the almost instant popping up to wisk Sansa away doesn't seem suspicious to you?
Which do you think really happened? There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Dontos was involved in any substantive way. He's never been shown to be anything other than a fuck-up, do you honestly believe that whoever masterminded the murder of a king would let Dontos in on the details? That's freaking ridiculous. His role, if any, was unwitting.
So the almost instant popping up to wisk Sansa away doesn't seem suspicious to you?
Dontos was a pawn, to believe otherwise would require him to be the Keyser Soze of Game of Thrones and GRRM has shown no inclination for Deus ex machina moments like that. If Dontos was involved I think we would have been shown some little clue to suggest that he was more than a drunken nobody.
I think the loss of his family name and station explains the drunkeness. I'm guessing he wasn't always a fuckup, and is certainly more than capable of being useful when he has a purpose. I'd say being part of a plot to kill the little bitch Joffrey would be that purpose. There's certainly backstory that isn't presented in the show. Not yet, anyway.
I don't think there is any question that he was an informed perpetrator. The real question is who else is part of it.
Uhhh, you're arguing against yourself.
If Dontos was involved whoever was pulling the strings would say something like "okay, now you take the poison necklace to Sansa, be very careful because if you're caught with it you'll be executed...." while an unwitting accomplice would be handled like "Ser Dontos, please deliver this perfectly ordinary necklace to Sansa, she will be sweet on you for such a lovely gesture..."
Which do you think really happened? There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Dontos was involved in any substantive way. He's never been shown to be anything other than a fuck-up, do you honestly believe that whoever masterminded the murder of a king would let Dontos in on the details? That's freaking ridiculous. His role, if any, was unwitting.
... How Could the jewels be able to implicate Sansa if they weren't poison?