Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

[TheAdvocate]

It was sarcasm.

There is a big difference between posting context and spoiling the story, as that Mongrol guy was doing. He was a jerk.

It seems that what the mods and a couple of posters in this thread want is a discussion of the show without any acknowledgement that the books even exist. No discussion of elapsed plot or character choices - nothing.

Which is ridiculous. You cannot divorce the two. It is a TV production of revered source material. LoTR, Walking Dead, and hundreds more. There are choices to made in producing such source material, and it is legitimate discussion. Deleting the entirety of any post which engages in that discussion is... I shouldn't even need to say it.

 

[zinfamous]

And how dare we criticize the producers for the choices that they have made, post facto, on presenting the source material - you know, the way every other discussion thread of every other similar tv show has ever done.

Ive been posting here since 1998, under two different user names (because I lost my login info about 10 years ago).

This is the first time I have been absolutely embarressed by the mentality of the mods.

which is why that kind of stuff makes perfect sense in the book thread. why would you even give a tit about posting that here?

Sorry, I don't mean to imply that comparing them is completely worthless--just that saying "They shouldn't have done it this way because in the book _____!" Well, you don't know how the TV show is going to develop that plot further, so perhaps x change was necessary?

I get that, but you also run the risk of spoiling real content by delving down those comparisons, the longer such discussions go. Which is why it really is best in the book thread.

 

[nageov3t]

So how did the Dornes resist the Dragons?

spears/scorpions (super spears on wheels ala Sparticus final fight scene)?

obvious background, non-plot related spoilers:

Spoiler

where the other nations fielded armies to battle the Targaryen invasion, Dorne was like "fuck that" and instead only attacked the invading armies through gorrilla warfare/ambushes, hiding out where the dragons couldn't find them.

a later ruler did conquer Dorne, but the rebellion amongst the natives was so strong, and so many of his own people died, that he had to pull out.

 

[techs]

I understand putting spoiler tags over things that have yet to happen in the show, but to outright ban those discussions seems extreme. But, as you said, the mods have spoken.................

I think you misunderstand. You can speculate, predict, whatever you want as to what you think is going to happen in the show. As long as haven't read the books. If you have read the books then you are posting spoilers.

I didn't want to know the Red Wedding was coming before it happened. Nor do I want to know who actually poisoned Joffrey until the show chooses to let me know. But I am enjoying the speculation of those who don't know yet, i.e. non book readers.

If you have read the books and want to discuss those things before the show airs them then you go into the thread where spoilers are allowed.

 

[TheAdvocate]

If anything, this argument supports posting book spoilers in this thread, because the show doesn't necessarily follow the books. I honestly think people get too worked up over spoilers, anyway. Who cares if you know what's coming, does that really diminish seeing it happen? It really goes too far to say you have to put stuff in spoiler tags for the last aired episode! If you don't want to be spoiled on something that has already aired, stay out of the thread.

Exactly. Basically, the mods are excluding anyone who has read the books and is a fan of the show from being able to participate in the discussion. Only the cool kids at this lunch table!

Sucks the fun out of the show, and some good discussion.

I would never spoil future events. That is douchebag level. But discussing the effect on the show of eliminating a character from an already aired episode... thats pretty much discussion 101 for this type of show.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Exactly. Basically, the mods are excluding anyone who has read the books and is a fan of the show from being able to participate in the discussion. Only the cool kids at this lunch table!

To be fair, there is another thread that is just as good as this one (I would assume). I don't see why that isn't a good solution.

I would never spoil future events. That is douchebag level.

Sure. I think if you are a mature person then you don't want to spoil things for people. The core problem is:

-This is the internet, so some people are not mature and abuse the privilege

-A book person can accidentally let a spoiler slip by what they don't say, or just in what seems like harmless commentary

So it is better to have no book-based posts rather than depend on every book reader to post high-quality non-spoiling posts.

 

[zinfamous]

Exactly. Basically, the mods are excluding anyone who has read the books and is a fan of the show from being able to participate in the discussion. Only the cool kids at this lunch table!

Sucks the fun out of the show, and some good discussion.

I would never spoil future events. That is douchebag level. But discussing the effect on the show of eliminating a character from an already aired episode... thats pretty much discussion 101 for this type of show.

which was never a problem? I'm not sure what you're complaining about. Note: this statement of your only references the TV show. I do think you understand, though, that making references to how such an event is portrayed in the books, belongs in the book thread.

 

[cronos]

If anything, this argument supports posting book spoilers in this thread, because the show doesn't necessarily follow the books. I honestly think people get too worked up over spoilers, anyway. Who cares if you know what's coming, does that really diminish seeing it happen? It really goes too far to say you have to put stuff in spoiler tags for the last aired episode! If you don't want to be spoiled on something that has already aired, stay out of the thread.

Of course, I have a weird way of watching shows and movies anyway. I almost always read what happens in a given show or movie before watching it. If I know where the show is going then I tend to catch subtle hints and foreshadowing that I may have otherwise missed.

See that's why people are different. I despise spoilers to the point that if I'm interested in watching a movie release in the theater, I avoid the trailers! I like to watch something with as little possible knowledge of what I'm going to watch. Even the 10 second 'next week on GoT' stuff (or any other series I'm watching) I refuse to watch.

The book vs. show differences are important to not discuss because there's a lot of surprise/plot twists in the storyline. If these things are spoiled to me (accidentally or intentionally) it would significantly reduce my enjoyment of watching the show.

 

[cronos]

I think it's also because so many people use tapatalk on their mobile device, which doesn't honor the spoiler tags.

Tapatalk definitely does honor the spoiler tags.

 

[ZaneNBK]

Tapatalk definitely does honor the spoiler tags.

It's the e-mail notifications for threads that don't honor the spoiler tags.

 

[02ranger]

Are you serious?????

I will just type two words that destroy your argument:

Spoiler

Red Wedding

I knew all about that before it happened, both reading the books and watching the series, and I didn't feel like I lost anything.

I know everybody feels differently about spoilers, and so I do understand people don't want the plot spoiled by book readers. I don't personally feel that way, but I can understand it. What irks me is that esentially every book reader is barred from participation in this thread because you can't "speculate" on a show when you know what's coming. You can barely discuss it because of extra knowledge, and now anybody that is right on some bit of speculation, people will assume they've read the books. By keeping book readers and tv readers separate, I feel like it does more harm to this thread than help. I don't know that there is a solution to satisfy everybody though. I do agree that posters should have sense enough to put spoiler tags over something that hasn't happened yet in the TV show or maybe happened differently, but I don't think book discussion should be banned altogether in this thread. The indivduals posting those spoilers without tags should be disciplined. Its not all that different from any other thread about a show that exists as book and tv/movie. Both topics are usually discussed in the same thread.

Is there any way to appoint a "thread moderator" that has power just in this thread to keep it clean? I think I've seen it mentioned..........

 

[ZaneNBK]

I knew all about that before it happened, both reading the books and watching the series, and I didn't feel like I lost anything.

Please, just watch the videos of red wedding reactions where you see book readers sitting next to non-book readers and the reactions are drastically different. A large number of people, if not most people, don't want story lines ruined by spoilers because it does impact your experience.

 

[poofyhairguy]

I knew all about that before it happened, both reading the books and watching the series, and I didn't feel like I lost anything.

How can you know what you didn't lose if you never had it?

At the very least you can understand why some of us don't agree with your position, right?

 

[techs]

This really is getting tedious. And I'll admit I have contributed. So, I am going to make one last statement on the issue, and will just copy and paste it in the future.

1) Many people, myself included, very much don't like knowing what is going to happen in the future on a television show.

2) This is the internet and there will always be some people who won't follow suggestions like not posting spoilers.

3) Therefore there are now two separate threads. One allows book spoilers and the other doesn't.

4) If you have a problem with that go to the Moderator Discussion thread and make your case there should be only one thread.

5) End of story.

 

[blackdogdeek]

I knew all about that before it happened, both reading the books and watching the series, and I didn't feel like I lost anything.

Are you trying to make the argument that because you feel like you didn't lose anything from knowing beforehand that no one else should either?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

the sopranos was tremendously overrated, and only looked good compared to its non-violent, lame contemporaries. the writing was just a pile of disconnected garbage cranked out contract by contract, like the x-files. tell me, what happened to the russian mobster that escaped?

rome's writing was easily the worst part of that show, too. although made by different people, i think of rome as wayne's world to game of thrones' austin powers.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Strange tapatalk glitch...

 

[The Boston Dangler]

the usurper 02ranger....tsssssssss!

 

[nageov3t]

Going to a sox game with the the wife.

sox lose!

whoops, spoilers.

 

[cronos]

It's the e-mail notifications for threads that don't honor the spoiler tags.

I am aware of that. I was just correcting the person saying that Tapatalk doesn't.

 

[zinfamous]

I knew all about that before it happened, both reading the books and watching the series, and I didn't feel like I lost anything.

so you're the one person anywhere that doesn't care about being surprised by content. You realize that because you are such a minority int he world, it shouldn't give you license to ruin what everyone else enjoys?

Any way, I don't get that--Someone that wants to know everything ahead of time, must be the type of person that can't follow anything that they are watching "what did he say? why did he say that! where are they going? what is happening?!?!" just watch the damn movie and stfu!

Must suck to be so thoroughly confused by things that one must have full knowledge before going on.

Now, that is not to say that I can't watch or read anything while having prior knowledge--I watch movies and shows and read books multiple times if I like them. Yes, you certainly enjoy it a little less from the standpoint of surprise no longer being possible, but you do get to notice those little hints, or other plot points and moments that slipped by before, which is a very different type of appreciation that you couldn't have before.

BUT! there is a book thread that, as far as I assume, also covers the show? why not speculate there? :\

 

[smackababy]

so you're the one person anywhere that doesn't care about being surprised by content. You realize that because you are such a minority int he world, it shouldn't give you license to ruin what everyone else enjoys?

I think you have very little knowledge about minorities in America! /P&N Opinion



I think some of the stuff is simply silly that we can't discuss like [omg huge spoiler alert]

Spoiler

Theon's sister's name change! Or characters being cut out entirely!

[/omg huge spoiler alert, not really though]

 

[zinfamous]

Please, just watch the videos of red wedding reactions where you see book readers sitting next to non-book readers and the reactions are drastically different. A large number of people, if not most people, don't want story lines ruined by spoilers because it does impact your experience.

I started watching GoT ~3? months ago. Comcast, in a random and certainly rare act of benevolence, offered to quintuple my Internet speed, provide basic (pure shit) cable, but also HBO, for only $10 more for a year. amazing, right? So, knowing that this show was starting up some time in the future, I started watching on BD rented from a local video store.

I only started watching Season 3 when that became available for sale ($20 at target!)

I watched them 3-4 episodes per night, before passing out on my couch in the living room.

This is not hyperbole. I come round to the Red Wedding that evening, and at that moment, just as you know it's happen, I actually freaked out a bit. I got angry. Thought, oh, she's going to escape, that dog is escaping and will run in there....er, she's going to hide. Then they get more stabby stabby on Rob, then on mom, and I stand up from my prone position on the couch and almost pushed my plasma off the stand. I actually grabbed the thing before stopping myself--I was angry.

 

[alkemyst]

Dear GOD, can't the mods hush up these idiots trying to derail the thread into "HEY I KNOW THE BOOKS, DON'T JUDGE ME!!!!"

It's getting lame.

In fact, I doubt these people have really even read the books and just google up stuff to upset others.

 

[zinfamous]

I think you have very little knowledge about minorities in America! /P&N Opinion



I think some of the stuff is simply silly that we can't discuss like [omg huge spoiler alert]

Spoiler

Theon's sister's name change! Or characters being cut out entirely!

[/omg huge spoiler alert, not really though]

I get that--but if it doesn't matter, then what is the point of even bringing it up? :hmm: