And who says you need Lannister backing to do anything? And who says Roose Bolton has any control over what his bastard Ramsey does?
Anyway, Theon was a ward under Eddard Stark because Balon started his own rebellion against the Iron Throne just as Robert had. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Greyjoy_Rebellion. Just because Walder Frey is a pussy doesn't mean Balon Greyjoy is.
Basically, the men of the Iron Islands are a legitimately tough people, and have what is possibly the strongest navy in Westeros
After Robert Baratheon won his own rebellion against House Targaryen (something he did without Lannister support, the Lannisters only joined Robert after he defeated Rhaegar), Balon started his own rebellion to test Robert's rule.
Now while Balon might have underestimated Robert, it wasn't that crazy of a move because the Iron Islands were the only neutral party in Robert's rebellion and thus suffered almost no casualties and were ready for war more than any of the other houses. And if it weren't for Robert being such an excellent wartime leader, Balon might have been successful.
And for his second rebellion, Balon has even more reason to expect success: Robert is dead. Eddard, Robert's right-hand-man, is also dead. All the other kingdoms are already fighting each other or are out of the equation (ie the Vale far to the east and Dorne far to the south). And the only other fleet (Stannis' fleet) that could truly challenge the Ironfleet was largely destroyed by wildfire during the Battle of the Blackwater...
he wasn't trying to conquer, just secure his kingdom's independence... I'm guessing he thought that his navy would be strong enough to repel the fresh-out-of-war forces from the continent.
Yes really. No it wasn't worth it. I just wanted to experience it spoiler free since I knew the entire plot of episode 1 and 2 before they were released. I wanted to be in the dark for the plot of 3. Which I guessed saved me from knowing ahead how corny the downfall of Anakin was (I am good, I am good, I am killing children).
He stopped for awhile as in the books the main kingdoms attacked him for the constant raiding / rebelling against the king and as insurance to stop it they took his only remaining son that was alive and that was theon.
But his forces were never large enough to do much other then that so he was never a real threat.
I'd love to see it. Kinda like the Spartacus prequel season when Andy Whitfield underwent cancer treatment. There're also the Dunk & Egg short stories for more material.
Cersei Lannister told Tyrion that she will not be marrying Knight of Dainty Little Flowers, Ser Loras Tyrell even after being ordered to, I have to assume she plans suicide or something drastic. Now that Jaime has returned maimed and is possibly developing feelings for Brienne of Tarth it would seem a fitting twist.
Honestly, as someone who's never read any of the books, a lot of the "spoilers" I've read here from the book readers just make me scratch my head. It's like if someone told you the sky was going to turn green tomorrow, but didn't tell you how.
So honestly I'd go so far as to say GOT is typically spoiler-proof. Never mind the possibility that the show will further diverge from the book plot in the first place.
I dunno. Character fates can be pretty big spoilers. This was a pretty big one that spilled out of this thread in the "List some movies you've watched recently. Theatre, rental, TV... and give a */10" thread:
Its one of those shows where at a minimum I need to wait for a complete blu ray season to be released. Watching an episode and waiting a week would drive me crazy.
I do wish they'd get to those damn White Walkers already!
We had already purchased both BD box sets and I was still in the middle of season 1 myself when he posted that outside of this thread, so it ruined the suspense of more than an entire season of Lannister fights for me and other people who were doing the exact same thing as me, like the very person he had quoted. The season 2 BDs had only just been released and few people waiting for them had finished all 10 episodes at that point.
I was actively avoiding any GoT-related thread at the time and this idiot had to ruin a big part of it for me somewhere else. Should I have stayed off the Internet for the previous two years?! After that bombshell I knew that no Lannister was going to die in seasons 1 or 2, so I knew during the fight with the Kingsguard that Eddard Stark wasn't going to kill Jaime and I knew that Sansa wasn't going to push Joffrey off the platform, etc.
It particularly diminished Tyrion's arc: I knew he wasn't going to be killed by the Hill Tribe, fall from the Eyrie dungeon, lose his trial by combat and be thrown from the Eyrie (Bronn would win), killed by the Hill Tribe again, die in the battle leading the Hill tribesmen, die in the Battle of Blackwater, die from the assassination attempt on him, so on. I started participating here only after completely catching up and getting HBO, but he still managed to ruin quite a bit for me.
Damn people. The solution is really simple. Don't read this thread or don't read the spoilers. Read the books. I watched the first season, really liked it, and then read all the books before the second season. They're a great read.
I plan to read the books AFTER the series so that I can get maximum enjoyment from both. What's wrong with that? I should be able to read a spoiler prefaced with "I just finished season 3 and..." if I myself have also finished season 3 and the entire thread is supposed to be about the TV show (look at the title). I'm surprised how few acknowledge this.
Me too, except when prefaced with something like "I just finished season 3 and..." D:
Without a hard and fast rule about only using spoiler tags for series spoilers from the book, even an understanding about them generally being such wouldn't help in that circumstance (DesiPower's post). There is no "rule" that they are all from the book so it would be silly to ignore context and behave so strictly for the things that are presented as show spoilers. Just like there is an expectation to use spoiler tags where needed there is an expectation to use them in a way that doesn't defeat their purpose: Proper context/tags.
Let's say that you just started Hannibal the TV series and were staying out of those threads for obvious reasons. Now let's say that DesiPower put a spoiler for Hannibal in tags and prefaced it with "I just finished season 3..." then posted it in THIS thread for the Game of Thrones TV show on HBO. Furthermore, he not only did it with no contextual clue that he's talking about Hannibal, he did it with a context that specifically implied that he was talking about the third season of Game of Thrones. Just like Hannibal doesn't have a season 3, neither do the books, so it wouldn't make sense that he's spoiling something else and you'd think it should be safe to read as long as you have seen GoT S3. You'd be upset, right? His post does that to everyone who has seen every episode but not read the book unless they have some strange personality flaw that makes hard/fast rules about not reading spoiler tags regardless of context even ignoring the very logic the rule was based on.
For those who want NO spoilers, get the hell out of this thread and stop discussing it. Spoilers WILL happen by people who are adding to the discussion (such as why this character isn't in there, or what happened to this scene or whatever).
I didn't say I don't want any spoilers to be discussed. I'm saying that for very good reason that post needs to be edited for proper context and other posts should avoid making the same mistake. As shown above, what good does a spoiler tag do if everyone must needlessly avoids it even if they already know what it portends to be about?
That doesn't change the fact that people are still spoiler-tagging things for show watchers that aren't caught up and that show watchers who are caught up are going to read these as non-spoilers.
And in case your edit was directed at me: That's exactly what I always do. I stay out when I am not caught up. I particularly only visit every two weeks because I watch two at once (an unwatched recorded episode just before a current one airs). I had seen the latest episode which is why I read the spoiler. It had nothing to do with the latest episode or season 3 despite being labeled as such.
Me too, except when prefaced with something like "I just finished season 3 and..."
Without a hard and fast rule about only using spoiler tags for series spoilers from the book, even an understanding about theme generally being such wouldn't help in that circumstance (DesiPower's post). There is no "rule" that they are all from the book so it would be silly to ignore context and behave so strictly for the things that are presented as show spoilers. Just like there is an expectation to use spoiler tags where needed there is an expectation to use them in a way that doesn't defeat their purpose: Proper context/tags.
Let's say that you just started Hannibal the TV series and were staying out of those threads for obvious reasons. Now let's say that DesiPower put a spoiler for Hannibal in tags and prefaced it with "I just finished season 3..." then posted it in THIS thread for the Game of Thrones TV show on HBO. Furthermore, he not only did it with no contextual clue that he's talking about Hannibal, he did it with a context that specifically implied that he was talking about the third season of Game of Thrones. Just like Hannibal doesn't have a season 3, neither do the books, so it wouldn't make sense that he's spoiling something else and you'd think it should be safe to read as long as you have seen GoT S3. You'd be upset, right? His post does that to everyone who has seen every episode but not read the book unless they have some strange personality flaw that makes hard/fast rules about not reading spoiler tags regardless of context even ignoring the very logic the rule was based on.
Cersei Lannister told Tyrion that she will not be marrying Knight of Dainty Little Flowers, Ser Loras Tyrell even after being ordered to, I have to assume she plans suicide or something drastic. Now that Jaime has returned maimed and is possibly developing feelings for Brienne of Tarth it would seem a fitting twist.
I don't agree with that at all. I think there's a really strong connection there that's more than respect and knightly camaraderie. He's going to fall for her, and she for him, they just won't get together for some reason or another. And then one will die because this is of course GRRM-land and the other will go on a vengeance quest.
I don't agree with that at all. I think there's a really strong connection there that's more than respect and knightly camaraderie. He's going to fall for her, and she for him, they just won't get together for some reason or another. And then one will die because this is of course GRRM-land and the other will go on a vengeance quest.
You're talking to someone who has read all the books. Unless there's a complete change in the series, Jaime never falls in love with her, but his sense of camaraderie for her does lead to a tragic end.
Thanks for sharing those delightful book spoilers in the thread about the TV show with absolutely no spoiler tags or other hassles to get in the way. Granted, saying anything in GoT has "a tragic end" isn't really much of a spoiler at this point, but leave us our fevered dreams, dammit!
wow, you seriously need to add spoiler tags now. Why the need for talking a bout future things with someone who obviously has not read the books? Come to the other thread, or put spoiler tags.
remember how bolton's bastard castrated theon? the moment he forgot his peril is when the horn blows and he's brought right back to horrifying reality. the film makers did the same with the RW, but to the audience. bravo!
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