Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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Davos knew it too; that's why he tried to take Shireen with him to Castle Black. When Stannis refused, Davos knew what was up. I'm a little surprised he didn't just kidnap her.
 
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I agree with this. And I also know that this entire story is prolly going to go to Daenerys in the end. All the other cool stories are just filler for her eventual victory and living messiah ending. I don't enjoy her story at all. I may be one of the rare ones but I find myself rolling my eyes every time that section of story come on screen.

Holy lurker. And I agree at this point. I liked Daenerys when she was all "fuck your society slaver dick" back in Season 3. But she's been a terrible ruler, and watching her flounder her way through political nonsense has gotten ridiculous. We want dragons, dammit.
 

MarkXIX

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The Night's Watch will not get involved in any of the wars of the kings. They protect the wall, and a much larger fight is upon them. Stannis knows this and mislead Davos into thinking he was "commanding" help. He was merely ridding his camp of the only person willing to stand up to Stannis and the red witch. Davos wouldn't have allowed him to burn his daughter, hell he even didn't allow him to burn the bastard.

Yeah, I guess you and the others above you are right. I hope when he finds out though he's left even more disturbed by his decision. War is hell.
 

JEDI

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I guess in GoT universe, dragon skin is as weak as any animal's hide?
or maybe Dragoon is still young and his dragon scales have yet to harden to adamantium?

so sons of the harpy killed the Masters as well. now that storyline has gotten more interesting.

pedo not found. no skin shown on that peasant girl.
altho I thought for a sec Aria would pose as a hooker, outfit and all.
wait for episode 10?

the whole faceless man sending aria to the market:
I think he had no idea what she would find. but I also think it didn't matter.
it's a test.

im surprised that aria didn't tell the faceless man about the kingsguard.
I would have thought she'd trusted him enuf?
 
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Do we think Jaqen H'ghar knew Arya was lying? My guess is yes, but maybe now Arya is an excellent liar after all of her training?

KT
 

JEDI

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Do we think Jaqen H'ghar knew Arya was lying? My guess is yes, but maybe now Arya is an excellent liar after all of her training?

KT

or Jaqen is posing as the thin man as a test for arya.
or even more, Jaqen knew that kingsguard was coming and using the thin man disguise to see how she does.

as for tyrion and the others left to fend for themselves in the arena:
they'll get out of it.
the 1st scene of them in episode 10 will be them back in the pyramid and trying to figure out what to do next with a 1 liner explaining how they survived.

um.. sir friendzone touched dragon queen. dany now affected w/greyscale disease?
 

quikah

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im surprised that aria didn't tell the faceless man about the kingsguard.
I would have thought she'd trusted him enuf?

What is a random kingsguard to no one? Is a girl no one or is a girl Arya Stark?

The fight coreography has been pretty bad this season, or just bad editting, I can't tell.
 

CZroe

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or Jaqen is posing as the thin man as a test for arya.
or even more, Jaqen knew that kingsguard was coming and using the thin man disguise to see how she does.
It's pretty telling that stashed Needle and her other stuff is stashed out there. They didn't show us that for no reason. It has been clear from the beginning that she will fail to give up her past including her grudges. Perhaps that is part of the test: Being convincing enough to be faceless DESPITE not having given it all up.
 

Maximilian

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Aw Stannis... fuck man... why dosent anything ever go right for you?!?

Lost at Blackwater
Lost Gendry
Losing men/horses/siege weaponry
Lost daughter :'(

S05E10 - Everyone in Winterfell spontaneously combusts and Stannis rides into the city victorious. It will happen, I remain hopeful the one true king shall stand victorious over the broken bones of his enemies in triumph! :thumbsup:
 

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Remember when Joffrey had Ned Stark, the one true noble King and certain to be the winner of the Game of Thrones, killed after saying he wouldn't?

We were OUTRAGED!

Little did we know....!
 

Maximilian

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Remember when Joffrey had Ned Stark, the one true noble King and certain to be the winner of the Game of Thrones, killed after saying he wouldn't?

We were OUTRAGED!

Little did we know....!

"But they have the soft hearts of women. So long as I am your king, treason shall never go unpunished"
 

Train

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Let's talk about Lord Tyrell.

Totally different persona. He seemed kind of timid and out of place in Kings Landing. Yet here in Bravos, talking to the Iron bank, he is very confident. He assertively classifies them as gamblers, and when challenged, holds frame... "you are the BEST gamblers"

He also seems quite pleased that High Garden is doing quite well economically. Let's not forget their clout. The Lannisport gold mines are dry, and the crown needs more money... Tyrells could literally be buying their way to the throne via debt.

But, why is he here when his Daughter(grand daughter?) sits in a cell beneath the red keep? Wouldn't you think he would head to KL, or is he just gonna let Oleana Tyrell handle that?
 

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Let's talk about Lord Tyrell.

Totally different persona. He seemed kind of timid and out of place in Kings Landing. Yet here in Bravos, talking to the Iron bank, he is very confident. He assertively classifies them as gamblers, and when challenged, holds frame... "you are the BEST gamblers"

He also seems quite pleased that High Garden is doing quite well economically. Let's not forget their clout. The Lannisport gold mines are dry, and the crown needs more money... Tyrells could literally be buying their way to the throne via debt.

But, why is he here when his Daughter(grand daughter?) sits in a cell beneath the red keep? Wouldn't you think he would head to KL, or is he just gonna let Oleana Tyrell handle that?

He left before any of that happened.
 
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Aw Stannis... fuck man... why dosent anything ever go right for you?!?

Lost daughter :'(

He didn't "lose" his daughter, he killed her. There's a subtle, but important, difference. You don't get to play the "oh woe is me" card when you intentionally burn your offspring alive.

Why the long face Stannis?
I lost my daughter this weekend.
Shit, I'm sorry. Did the greyscale finally do her in?
No, I burned her alive.
.... What?
Yeah, torched her at the stake. Made her mother watch.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Yeah, it's been pretty hard.
Did you consider NOT burning her alive?
Yeah, but what are you gonna do? If you want to serve as the King nobody wants, you've got to be willing to go to lengths that nobody supports.
 

Exophase

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It's so weird going back and watching a season 1 episode, back when the show was chock full of characters we all liked. Now it's battles and endless fighting amongst parties we all despise, and we must choose the "lesser of two (sometimes 3) evils" to hope to win.

You think so? I find plenty of the characters at least as likeable as they were in season 1 (or as others in season 1 if they weren't introduced yet), and plenty of them are pretty decent people. Like Tyrion, Jon, Varys, Samwell, Brienne, Jaime, Margaery.. hell even characters like Alliser Thorne are more likeable now than they were then. And the really terrible characters still around now were for the most part terrible since they were introduced (thinking Cersei and Ramsay). The worst character, Joffrey, was killed off (and some lesser bad ones like Janos Slynt) The only real face-heel turns I can think of were Roose Bolton and Walder Fray, which is kind of a stretch anyway since both were pretty seedy from the offset. If you really seriously look back on Stannis he was always a terrible person. If he burned Shireen back in season 2 people would have been less shocked.

Some good major characters were lost like the three Starks, but they all kind of screwed up massively (sometimes repeatedly) before ending up dead. I really feel like Shireen is the first character we got to know much of before dying who seemed truly innocent and pure.
 

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I agree with this. And I also know that this entire story is prolly going to go to Daenerys in the end. All the other cool stories are just filler for her eventual victory and living messiah ending. I don't enjoy her story at all. I may be one of the rare ones but I find myself rolling my eyes every time that section of story come on screen.

I was kind of hoping Stannis's daughter would have stood in the flames and not been burned. I don't full understand greyscale disease but I thought she had part dragon in her and that's what gave here those scales on her face. This season cleared up that confusion though.

Dany is a bad ruler but Tyrion is not. In fact, he did a pretty good job advising a much worse ruler who also opposed and ridiculed him at every step. If she listens to him she has a shot at doing a good job.

Davos knew it too; that's why he tried to take Shireen with him to Castle Black. When Stannis refused, Davos knew what was up. I'm a little surprised he didn't just kidnap her.

I've seen a lot of people say this but I don't think that's suggested at all. Davos already urged Stannis to leave Shireen at Castle Black before they even left. Now they're in a much worse situation and he's especially pessimistic about their chance of survival. As far as he's concerned Shireen is just going to die in the battle or at best be captured as a hostage, why would he not urge Stannis to let him take her given the opportunity? He even wanted to take Selyse and he doesn't care about her, much less would he think she was in danger of being burned by Stannis.

If he really thought Stannis was going to burn Shireen he definitely would have taken her without Stannis's permission and with force if need be. He already saved Gendry, someone he barely knew, and that was putting his life in immediate danger. Had he taken Shireen with him there's a good chance Stannis would have never been able to do anything about it, or at least not for a while - even if Stannis did win the battle Davois would likely be able to seek refuge at Castle Black and I doubt they'd support Stannis's order to kill him for saving his daughter.
 

Maximilian

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He didn't "lose" his daughter, he killed her. There's a subtle, but important, difference. You don't get to play the "oh woe is me" card when you intentionally burn your offspring alive.

Why the long face Stannis?
I lost my daughter this weekend.
Shit, I'm sorry. Did the greyscale finally do her in?
No, I burned her alive.
.... What?
Yeah, torched her at the stake. Made her mother watch.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Yeah, it's been pretty hard.
Did you consider NOT burning her alive?
Yeah, but what are you gonna do? If you want to serve as the King nobody wants, you've got to be willing to go to lengths that nobody supports.

Fine killed, but it had to be done. Stannis has to sit on the throne, hes the only man for the job. Ill miss Shireen, but it was the only way.

Stannis realizes that 1 life to save many is a good trade. This just shows how hardcore and fair the guy is, giving his own daughter for the good of the realm. He will be remembered as the most glorious and fair king to ever sit on the iron throne. A true champion and hero of the people.
 

Exophase

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Fine killed, but it had to be done. Stannis has to sit on the throne, hes the only man for the job. Ill miss Shireen, but it was the only way.

Stannis realizes that 1 life to save many is a good trade. This just shows how hardcore and fair the guy is, giving his own daughter for the good of the realm. He will be remembered as the most glorious and fair king to ever sit on the iron throne. A true champion and hero of the people.

Or he'll be remembered as the religious fanatic who killed his daughter out of desperate superstition and luckily happened to win a battle afterwards. He may be commanding real magic but it's going to take something much more substantial to convince people of that.
 

smackababy

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The real question is: how many spears the the hearts of a girl's enemies does one have to land before one can leave the friend zone?
 

Childs

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The real question is: how many spears the the hearts of a girl's enemies does one have to land before one can leave the friend zone?

He's too old...she likes em young and virile, but one spear is probably good enough to be forgiven.
 

Newbian

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But, why is he here when his Daughter(grand daughter?) sits in a cell beneath the red keep? Wouldn't you think he would head to KL, or is he just gonna let Oleana Tyrell handle that?

I doubt he knows it's happened yet.

You have to remember they are traveling by boat and while what we are seeing is happening in this episode is probably around the same time his daughter was arrested not to mention it will take weeks for that kind of news to get to him especially as he is traveling with the kingsguard and not his own people.
 

MongGrel

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I thought it was pretty clear that the only reason Drogon was down there getting speared was because he was waiting for Danny to climb on. She had to see him getting speared to figure that out.

I tend to agree a bit, at one point he was turning towards her and just turning when he got hit with a spear to try the little dude throwing it.

I do think they are still leveling up, dragons from some stories never actually stop growing do they, I think they are still growing.

Think if Drogon was Smaug size
 
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