Game over for HD-DVD?

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I think he means watching an HDTV with a non-HD source. I admit, my HDTV looks pretty bad on non-HD channels.

There's that, but that's a given. I was really talking about broadcast content. Where I am TWC compresses the crap out of the digital content. There's a lot of artifacts etc which detract from the overall experience.

what source, satellite or cable?

I'm assuming TWC stands for Time Warner Cable. I could be wrong.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I think he means watching an HDTV with a non-HD source. I admit, my HDTV looks pretty bad on non-HD channels.

There's that, but that's a given. I was really talking about broadcast content. Where I am TWC compresses the crap out of the digital content. There's a lot of artifacts etc which detract from the overall experience.

what source, satellite or cable?

I'm assuming TWC stands for Time Warner Cable. I could be wrong.

for some fsked up reason I was thinking The Weather Channel

Comcast has no problems where I am. Everything looks great.
I detest DirecTv's HD service though. It looks like ass every time I've seen it.

 

[torpid]

All cable and satellite providers over compress most stations. If you can, switch to OTA. I'm going to spend a couple of hours this weekend switching my Tivo from cable to OTA season passes for that very reason. I used to marvel at how good fox looked in HD compared to other stations until I realized it was because my cable provider doesn't carry fox HD and I get it OTA, thus it was actually the OTA issue.

Sometimes, though, it's not the provider. Like in the NCAA tourney I mentioned, it seemed to be related to the equipment. Some venues had better HD than others. It got a little better for the elite 8 on, but never was great. I'm hoping the NBA playoffs on ABC look better (don't get ESPN or TNT HD).

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I think he means watching an HDTV with a non-HD source. I admit, my HDTV looks pretty bad on non-HD channels.

There's that, but that's a given. I was really talking about broadcast content. Where I am TWC compresses the crap out of the digital content. There's a lot of artifacts etc which detract from the overall experience.

what source, satellite or cable?

I recently moved in with my fiancee temporarily. I had DirecTV before, but moved my HDTV to her place, where she has cable. I've noticed the HD content is not as good on cable. At my place, I was getting my locals with an HD antenna too. I switched back and forth from NBC SD to NBC HD, to show her the difference, and was embarrassed when it looked the same, except that HD was widescreen. Or maybe it's that cable SD looks that much better?!

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

I recently moved in with my fiancee temporarily. I had DirecTV before, but moved my HDTV to her place, where she has cable. I've noticed the HD content is not as good on cable. At my place, I was getting my locals with an HD antenna too. I switched back and forth from NBC SD to NBC HD, to show her the difference, and was embarrassed when it looked the same, except that HD was widescreen. Or maybe it's that cable SD looks that much better?!

I know that with at least one or two of the local stations, sometimes the HD feed will suddenly switch to being SD (but it also switches from widescreen to normal at the same time).

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Rob9874

I recently moved in with my fiancee temporarily. I had DirecTV before, but moved my HDTV to her place, where she has cable. I've noticed the HD content is not as good on cable. At my place, I was getting my locals with an HD antenna too. I switched back and forth from NBC SD to NBC HD, to show her the difference, and was embarrassed when it looked the same, except that HD was widescreen. Or maybe it's that cable SD looks that much better?!

I know that with at least one or two of the local stations, sometimes the HD feed will suddenly switch to being SD (but it also switches from widescreen to normal at the same time).

My favorite thing is when they shrink the whole screen down to 1/2 size and then have a tiny trailer at the top displaying election results 2 hours before they are even final.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I recently moved in with my fiancee temporarily. I had DirecTV before, but moved my HDTV to her place, where she has cable. I've noticed the HD content is not as good on cable. At my place, I was getting my locals with an HD antenna too. I switched back and forth from NBC SD to NBC HD, to show her the difference, and was embarrassed when it looked the same, except that HD was widescreen. Or maybe it's that cable SD looks that much better?!

Yeah, TWC = Time Warner Cable.

It's a goddamn shame what they do to the signal, at least in my case. I'll turn on Sunrise Earth on Discovery and be blown away by the visuals, then turn to HBO HD and start to cry it looks so poor. Then if you use their DVR it compresses everything further. I was watching 24 on DVR last night. It was clay faces meet pixelated backgrounds.

I called TWC to see if it could be something with the signal in my building and made the mistake of telling the CSR I was using HDMI. He told be HDMI was a "defective format" and not supported and to use component Tried it for an hour and it was just as bad.

HDTV and obsessive personalities are not a good match, IMO. My wife how is nowhere near as obsessive as me thinks everything looks great, even SD for the most part.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Rob9874
I recently moved in with my fiancee temporarily. I had DirecTV before, but moved my HDTV to her place, where she has cable. I've noticed the HD content is not as good on cable. At my place, I was getting my locals with an HD antenna too. I switched back and forth from NBC SD to NBC HD, to show her the difference, and was embarrassed when it looked the same, except that HD was widescreen. Or maybe it's that cable SD looks that much better?!

Yeah, TWC = Time Warner Cable.

It's a goddamn shame what they do to the signal, at least in my case. I'll turn on Sunrise Earth on Discovery and be blown away by the visuals, then turn to HBO HD and start to cry it looks so poor. Then if you use their DVR it compresses everything further. I was watching 24 on DVR last night. It was clay faces meet pixelated backgrounds.

I called TWC to see if it could be something with the signal in my building and made the mistake of telling the CSR I was using HDMI. He told be HDMI was a "defective format" and not supported and to use component Tried it for an hour and it was just as bad.

HDTV and obsessive personalities are not a good match, IMO. My wife how is nowhere near as obsessive as me thinks everything looks great, even SD for the most part.

With the Dish 622 HD DVR, I couldn't see any difference between the Planet Earth I recorded and the one I watched as it was broadcast.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Whatever format the porn kings put more stuff on will win. HD-DVD=cheaper to produce=HD-DVD wins.

There are several reasons why porn will have little impact on HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray. Everyone keeps saying porn will decide the winner because it helped VHS beat Beta. But this is not VHS vs Beta. Porn helped VHS so much because for the first time you could easily watch pornography in your own home. Now we have pornography coming out our ears. We have the Internet and DVD. People don't NEED HD-DVD or Blu-Ray to watch pornography.

The main advantage that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray offer over DVD is resolution. But porn videos aren't blockbuster videos. They're low-budget, low-quality productions shot on videotape. To take advantage of HD resolutions they'll have to spend more and charge more, and I don't think it's worthwhile to do so. What do you gain from higher resolution porn? You can see more detail, which can be good and it can be bad. But I don't think it'll help you accomplish what you're trying to accomplish.

In one of Al Franken's books he mentions that his favorite statistic ever is this - the average time that a person watches hotel pay-per-view porn is 11 minutes. People aren't watching porn to be dazzled by the cinematography.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: mugs
The main advantage that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray offer over DVD is resolution. But porn videos aren't blockbuster videos. They're low-budget, low-quality productions shot on videotape. To take advantage of HD resolutions they'll have to spend more and charge more, and I don't think it's worthwhile to do so. What do you gain from higher resolution porn? You can see more detail, which can be good and it can be bad. But I don't think it'll help you accomplish what you're trying to accomplish.

But there are some high-production quality releases, and some people will be clamoring for this... and, of course, as early adopters, they'll be willing to pay the premium.

In one of Al Franken's books he mentions that his favorite statistic ever is this - the average time that a person watches hotel pay-per-view porn is 11 minutes. People aren't watching porn to be dazzled by the cinematography.

I worked in an adult store for a while, and we had those little booths... I could monitor what people were watching, so I could tell how much time they spent fast-forwarding too
Very popular button.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rickten
matrix trilogy is coming out on HDDVD. Big lewbowski and lost in translation. I"m so glad I bought an hddvd player.

Cool we get to see the Matrix suck in Hi Def!

 

[michaels]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Rickten
matrix trilogy is coming out on HDDVD. Big lewbowski and lost in translation. I"m so glad I bought an hddvd player.

Cool we get to see the Matrix suck in Hi Def!

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Chris
I didn't realize how truly awful the HD experience is until I jumped on board. It's not that HD does not look great, it's that it looks great like 10% of the time (right format, right resolution).

I have no idea what you are talking about with that line. I have never seen HD that doesn't look amazing.

Guess you didn't watch the NCAA tournament.

However, I think DVDs look really good. The gap between SD and "good" HDTV is a lot wider than it is between DVD and HD-DVD / BR, IMO.

Agreed. I'm happy watching regular dvds on my hdtv. I'm not happy with sd channels, however. When a next gen format is agreed on and it's cheap, i'll buy it. Until then, i don't feel any sense of loss just watching dvd.

 

[JoPh]

where has the porn gone?

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: edro
Everyone knows that Sony cannot make a lasting format. BluRay will fail like all other Sony proprietary formats.

wasnt sony responsible for a great deal of cd development? :laugh:

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Yes

They basically did 80% of CD development and distrubution.

Anyway, like Blu Ray, the first CD player was 1000 dollars and not many people could get one, now look at what happened.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Yes

They basically did 80% of CD development and distrubution.

Anyway, like Blu Ray, the first CD player was 1000 dollars and not many people could get one, now look at what happened.

You're missing a huge factor. CD wasn't a Sony proprietary format. They couldn't patent it nor charge royalties for it. Most companies collaborated on the standard and it was released as a unified front, there were no dissenters of any real substance.

However, with almost all other Sony proprietary formats, such as UMD, Betamax, Minidisc (Atrac), Memory Stick, and others.

Blu-Ray will most likely suffer the same fate.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
You're missing a huge factor. CD wasn't a Sony proprietary format. They couldn't patent it nor charge royalties for it. Most companies collaborated on the standard and it was released as a unified front, there were no dissenters of any real substance.

However, with almost all other Sony proprietary formats, such as UMD, Betamax, Minidisc (Atrac), Memory Stick, and others.

Blu-Ray will most likely suffer the same fate.

Good thing Blu-Ray isn't a Sony proprietary format.

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[50cent1228]

u can't kill hdvd

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
You're missing a huge factor. CD wasn't a Sony proprietary format. They couldn't patent it nor charge royalties for it. Most companies collaborated on the standard and it was released as a unified front, there were no dissenters of any real substance.

However, with almost all other Sony proprietary formats, such as UMD, Betamax, Minidisc (Atrac), Memory Stick, and others.

Blu-Ray will most likely suffer the same fate.

Good thing Blu-Ray isn't a Sony proprietary format.

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Good thing you missed the point. Sony doesn't know how to succeed at relasing any format without whole-industry approval.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
You're missing a huge factor. CD wasn't a Sony proprietary format. They couldn't patent it nor charge royalties for it. Most companies collaborated on the standard and it was released as a unified front, there were no dissenters of any real substance.

However, with almost all other Sony proprietary formats, such as UMD, Betamax, Minidisc (Atrac), Memory Stick, and others.

Blu-Ray will most likely suffer the same fate.

Good thing Blu-Ray isn't a Sony proprietary format.

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Good thing you missed the point. Sony doesn't know how to succeed at relasing any format without whole-industry approval.

You are missing the point. Blu-ray isn't all Sony. Partial list of Blu-ray board of directors:

Apple Inc.
Dell
Hewlett Packard
Hitachi
LG Electronics
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems
TDK Corporation
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Home Video Inc.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Good thing you missed the point. Sony doesn't know how to succeed at relasing any format without whole-industry approval.

If that's the case, HD-DVD is in even worse shape being it's pretty much Toshiba against everyone.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Dacalo

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
You're missing a huge factor. CD wasn't a Sony proprietary format. They couldn't patent it nor charge royalties for it. Most companies collaborated on the standard and it was released as a unified front, there were no dissenters of any real substance.

However, with almost all other Sony proprietary formats, such as UMD, Betamax, Minidisc (Atrac), Memory Stick, and others.

Blu-Ray will most likely suffer the same fate.

Good thing Blu-Ray isn't a Sony proprietary format.

Text

Good thing you missed the point. Sony doesn't know how to succeed at relasing any format without whole-industry approval.

You are missing the point. Blu-ray isn't all Sony. Partial list of Blu-ray board of directors:

Apple Inc.
Dell
Hewlett Packard
Hitachi
LG Electronics
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic (Matsushita Electric)
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems
TDK Corporation
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Home Video Inc.

QFT

If you can't call every single large name company except one supporting Blu Ray not Industry approved, I don't know what is.

 

[LegendKiller]

Again, it's not every single company. Furthermore, the lynchpin to the whole Blu-Ray strategy is Sony's ability to not f'up PS3 and other products. Considering they have a recent history of being pretty sucktastical, I doubt it's going to do that well.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

....
Its only one company thats not fully supporting, and thats Universal. And their exclusivity is pending

And Right now, HD DVD is losing the format war mainly because of Playstation 3. Its a bi too early to know for sure, but HD DVD is probably going down because of PS3.