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svenge

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Wow, another pro-AMD post with cherry-picked data from csbin!

Did anyone even know that Deserts of Kharak even existed before csbin decided to post it as the first chart (due to being perhaps the only game on the planet that AMD chips perform uncharacteristically well it)? Probably not.


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Sweepr

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Wow, another pro-AMD post with cherry-picked data! Did anyone even know that Deserts of Kharak even existed before csbin decided to include its chart (due to being perhaps the only game on the planet that AMD chips perform uncharacteristically well it)?

If that was the objective I think he failed at it. According to the charts 2013 and older Core i5 CPUs were faster than the FX8350. And the top performers are mostly outdated/irrelevant, no mention of Devil's Canyon, Broadwell-K, Skylake or 6C/12T Haswell-E.
 
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Well, it shows the 8350 is not being humiliated as before, at least in these games. I basically ignore 9xxx results because they are essentially an overclocked 8350 and the intel quads could be overclocked as well.

But yea, in 2 of the 3 games, it seems gpu (or some other factor) limited. I wonder as well why they dont give 4790k or 6700k results, especially since they obviously have skylake as they give HD530 results in the APU tests.

I also would like to see cpu scaling in these games from a few other sites.
 

Sweepr

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But yea, in 2 of the 3 games, it seems gpu (or some other factor) limited. I wonder as well why they dont give 4790k or 6700k results, especially since they obviously have skylake as they give HD530 results in the APU tests.

Nice catch.
They're also using 1 year old drivers that don't support Skylake in their APU tests and don't provide info about the DDR3/DDR4 memory kit being used, really suspicious.
 
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Cool story, bro. When a friend comes to me and asks me for a recommendation for the best CPU for her/his money, I will ask them if they the MEGA POPULAR game Deserts of Kharak. If they tell me this is their most favorite game of ever, I will be sure to help them put together a sweet Core i7 4790K build (since the FX 9590 is likely to be slower based on these benchmarks and about the same price).

Thank you for yet another valuable contribution to these boards, csbin. Without these "drive-by" posts I don't know how I would make hardware purchasing decisions! :thumbsup:
 

SlowSpyder

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Generally speaking, the FX have aged pretty well since games are often written with multicore CPU's in mind these days.
 

PPB

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Wow, another pro-AMD post with cherry-picked data from csbin!

Did anyone even know that Deserts of Kharak even existed before csbin decided to post it as the first chart (due to being perhaps the only game on the planet that AMD chips perform uncharacteristically well it)? Probably not.

You forgot to mention AMD's financials. 2/10 needs to get better at threadcrapping.
 

superstition

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The popularity of a game isn't necessarily the point. The trend seems to be that games are doing a better job at multithreading than in the past — Fallout 4, for instance.

Even if no one plays a game a released playable game that can take advantage of 8 physical cores is noteworthy.

Given the obsolescence of Bulldozer and the way Zen is becoming much closer to Intel's offerings in terms of design, the take-away from this trend seems to be a move away from having i5s as a perfectly adequate gaming platform. It may be that 4 threads will be a bottleneck soon. Judging by Anandtech's result for Broadwell C, it isn't one yet. (The 5675C outperformed i7 chips in many of the games at stock.) This will be quite a shift in gaming, if high-end PC gaming will need an i7 or 8 thread Zen processor to deliver a full framerate. It's also ironic that AMD's 2011/12 design is still hanging on to relevance as games are moving in its direction.
 
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NTMBK

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Deserts of Kharak is the new Homeworld game, so I'm relatively interested in it One more data point, I guess. The recommendation is still "buy Intel", so it doesn't make much difference.
 

ShintaiDK

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If multithreading was the whole story, the 6100, 8150 and 6300 should do a lot better than they do.
 

ShintaiDK

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The 8150 has an inferior architecture and the 6300 lacks cache and floating point.

It cant be that inferior.

And the 6100 and 6300 shows no improvement over 4100 and 4300.

Its more a mix of cache speed, cache size and simple frequency that its actual core performance.
 

superstition

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It cant be that inferior.
Why is that? If you're correct then the developers inserted a purposeful bottleneck to hamper that chip's performance which doesn't seem likely. Or, there is some sort of strange bug that only affects that chip.
And the 6100 and 6300 shows no improvement over 4100 and 4300.
It may be because of the scheduler dealing with an odd number of modules. The tri module parts always trail the full Bulldozer chips in games that leverage the cores well. And even with Ashes, which appears to not rely heavily on multithreading, it trails significantly.
 

ShintaiDK

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Why is that? If you're correct then the developers inserted a purposeful bottleneck to hamper that chip's performance which doesn't seem likely. Or, there is some sort of strange bug that only affects that chip.

Look at the difference outside core performance. 8150 to 8350 is 15-20%.

It may be because of the scheduler dealing with an odd number of modules. The tri module parts always trail the full Bulldozer chips in games that leverage the cores well. And even with Ashes, which appears to not rely heavily on multithreading, it trails significantly.

No.

And:
 
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myocardia

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If that was the objective I think he failed at it. According to the charts 2013 and older Core i5 CPUs were faster than the FX8350. And the top performers are mostly outdated/irrelevant, no mention of Devil's Canyon, Broadwell-K, Skylake or 6C/12T Haswell-E.

No doubt. My favorite part was that a 5 year old, non-overclocked i7 is 92½-95% as fast as AMD's fastest overclocked CPU, even in these cherry-picked benchmarks. I'm gonna jump out on a limb here, and say that a 2600k running at the 4.5-5.0 Ghz overclocks that we usually see them attain would utterly embarrass the 9590k, in every game ever.
 

SlowSpyder

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No doubt. My favorite part was that a 5 year old, non-overclocked i7 is 92½-95% as fast as AMD's fastest overclocked CPU, even in these cherry-picked benchmarks. I'm gonna jump out on a limb here, and say that a 2600k running at the 4.5-5.0 Ghz overclocks that we usually see them attain would utterly embarrass the 9590k, in every game ever.


And the same could be said for the 2600K cannibalizing it's own. A 2600K @ 4.5-5GHz is pretty much as fast to faster than Intel's other CPU's too. Even at stock frequencies it's nipping at the heels of much newer i7's in these graphs, and I bet the 2600K will generally get higher OC clocks than new i7's.
 

superstition

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No doubt. My favorite part was that a 5 year old, non-overclocked i7 is 92½-95% as fast as AMD's fastest overclocked CPU, even in these cherry-picked benchmarks. I'm gonna jump out on a limb here, and say that a 2600k running at the 4.5-5.0 Ghz overclocks that we usually see them attain would utterly embarrass the 9590k, in every game ever.
That chip is back from when Intel sold soldered chips, right?

I guess that says something.

Good luck getting those overclocks with their lousy polymer TIM.
 

dark zero

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It cant be that inferior.

And the 6100 and 6300 shows no improvement over 4100 and 4300.

Its more a mix of cache speed, cache size and simple frequency that its actual core performance.
Yea, it does... AMD made Zambezi as the worst piece of crap ever (except the E1 2100, only the Celeron N3000 ties on how low a company delivers to the people).
Vishera fixed a LOT of it.
 

moonbogg

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Interesting results. Maybe AMD will come back and wreck Intel like they used to, just like in the good ol' days when our momma sang us to sleep but now AMD fans are stressed out.
 

AdamK47

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Wow, another pro-AMD post with cherry-picked data from csbin!

Did anyone even know that Deserts of Kharak even existed before csbin decided to post it as the first chart (due to being perhaps the only game on the planet that AMD chips perform uncharacteristically well it)? Probably not.

Is that a joke? It's not a dull cookie cutter game that everyone knows about through mass advertising. Homeworld: Deserts of Kharak is a great game and it's getting great reviews. It's a worthy Homeworld game.
 

monstercameron

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Cool story, bro. When a friend comes to me and asks me for a recommendation for the best CPU for her/his money, I will ask them if they the MEGA POPULAR game Deserts of Kharak. If they tell me this is their most favorite game of ever, I will be sure to help them put together a sweet Core i7 4790K build (since the FX 9590 is likely to be slower based on these benchmarks and about the same price).

Thank you for yet another valuable contribution to these boards, csbin. Without these "drive-by" posts I don't know how I would make hardware purchasing decisions! :thumbsup:
And do you think threadcrapping is OK? The last time I did it I got a day ban.
 
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