gamegpuKiller Instinct DX12 Benchmarks980TI vs 290X)

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Polaris is the big leap for GCN, everything improved and the node change. It will take the strong GCN foundation and take it to the next level. Basically in the DX12 era, Polaris will stomp on it's competitors.

AMD had better otherwise their done for ...

AMD and the developer better push the DirectX team to put in a lot of these AGS driver extensions into the core DX12 with shader model 6 ...

AMD needs to make DX12 it's secret weapon to stop Nvidia dead in it's tracks just like how they use GameWorks to cripple AMD ...

 

[Silverforce11]

Well I look at it overall, not just in performance. Yes Hawaii is putting Maxwell to the sword on performance but it still only looks as good in perf/Watt, sometimes still behind.

I feel more like AMD has corrected a wrong rather than made a great leap forward.

Only for Fury X is that view justified, because of its same price mark to the 980Ti. It was under performing and now it's better across the board.

But for the other GPUs, it was not the case, they cost less than the NV counterpart, often by a huge margin.

If you bought 290s and R290X like me in 2013 for $400 and $549 respectively, you would have had a much better deal than $500 and $699 780 and 780Ti. By FAR. So there's no wrong to correct, it's been a win and "keep on winning" scenario.

 

[Silverforce11]

AMD and the developer better push the DirectX team to put in a lot of these AGS driver extensions into the core DX12 with shader model 6 ...

AMD needs to make DX12 it's secret weapon to stop Nvidia dead in it's tracks just like how they use GameWorks to cripple AMD ...

They don't need to push. It's done by MS because they want their console and windows to unite under DX12.

Did you see the videos from MS about how to program for DX12? They have a whole series of tutorials.

People in the other thread were claiming that video was biased AMD propaganda... until they realized it's from MS. lol

Oh, there's already rumors starting about AMD's Zen/Polaris APU powering the next-gen consoles in 2017, both Sony and MS.

 

[guskline]

Bought both of my R9 290 Sapphires for under $300 each when mining started to crash. Paid full price for the 980TI shortly after the release of the Fury X.

I'm waiting for big Vega to be released to replace my 2 R9 290s. I'm holding on to the 980TI till later.

Vega is two generations newer than the 290. Pascal is only one generation newer than my Maxwell.

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

They don't need to push. It's done by MS because they want their console and windows to unite under DX12.

Did you see the videos from MS about how to program for DX12? They have a whole series of tutorials.

People in the other thread were claiming that video was biased AMD propaganda... until they realized it's from MS. lol

Oh, there's already rumors starting about AMD's Zen/Polaris APU powering the next-gen consoles in 2017, both Sony and MS.

AMD should not take their chances at Microsoft's whim. Whenever from Microsoft isn't good enough, AMD should pressure Microsoft a little more to push in features from the GCN ISA to PC DirectX ...

Some developers like Sebastian Aaltonen (known as sebbbi from Beyond3D, former lead programmer of Ubisoft Redlynx), Tiago Sousa (id Software), Tomasz Stachowiak (DICE) have been asking AMD or Microsoft to expose barycentric coordinates and raw vertex data for a while ...

 

[tential]

Freesync monitors are ~$150 cheaper than G-sync equivalents and now many newer games are showing a strong performance advantage on the AMD side. At this moment it's easy to choose red over green.

You might want look into that Nvidia.

It's been what I've been saying this whole time. To me it's not even if the card is faster. It's whatever gets you the gpu+adaptive vsync ecosystem at the cheapest cost to performance ratio and with freesync being so cheap it's just an obvious choice.

 

[poofyhairguy]

What is interesting about this game is no async because 380x=280x. Also big Kepler does well, with the OG Titan beating the 970.

I think we are seeing a game that loves compute.

 

[Adored]

Only for Fury X is that view justified, because of its same price mark to the 980Ti. It was under performing and now it's better across the board.

But for the other GPUs, it was not the case, they cost less than the NV counterpart, often by a huge margin.

If you bought 290s and R290X like me in 2013 for $400 and $549 respectively, you would have had a much better deal than $500 and $699 780 and 780Ti. By FAR. So there's no wrong to correct, it's been a win and "keep on winning" scenario.

If you compare them to what is probably the worst value GPU in recent history then yes of course they'll look good.

The 290/390 have been competition for the 980 and 970 for longer though, and that is where the damage was done.

 

[Qwertilot]

Do have to remember that - The 2(3)90/X are just a lot more card than the 970/80 in quite a few ways. If you want to do a clean architectural level comparison then its 380x vs 980. Very similar cards indeed on paper (power, transistors, memory bus, most up to date architectures etc). Still actually behind on those terms here it seems.

The big lesson I think from the recent market shares/2/390(X) is that there are quite real limits on how far down the stack cost wise you can push a >250w GFX card. Many of the people who'll buy something like that simply aren't very price sensitive.

 

[RussianSensation]

In other words, your guess is as good as his on why the Fiji cards are missing.

His reasoning was:

Seems so. I guess a driver issue.

I provided the actual translation. If there are driver issues, the card wouldn't be out of testing for weeks when more and more games will be tested. Therefore, his guess is 100% wrong. If you spoke the language, it would be obvious the way it was worded has nothing to do with software.

Ah I see you thought the same thing, they lost their samples.

I do agree, and you also have the same issue on the flip side, if you've paid a lot of money for your cards, you'll want them to do better to prove to yourself that you made a good purchase. You see this reasoning in [H] reviews.

:thumbsup:

Well the 680 was a lot faster in the games of the day,it has similar compute power to the 7870 though so I don't get how anybody could be confused about why it's performing on the same level now.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7870-vs-GeForce-GTX-680

I sure hope so because 680 2GB was $500 and 680 4GB was $580 when HD7870 was $320. Later on, prices on AMD cards dropped even more and HD7950 regularly sold for $280-300, HD7970 925-1000mhz for $325-360, HD7970Ghz for $450 when GTX680 was still $450.

So ya, today 680 loses to an HD7950 and the latter card overclocked from 800mhz to 1200-1250mhz.

Thanks RS, good advice as always. I do have a few months to think it over and see what other rumors come up about GP104 and GP100/102 before I decide to sell.

I ended up getting a great deal for 980 Tis, $529 shipped each and these are pretty nice ones. They are Gigabyte G1 Gaming with custom PCB/triple fan cooler and since I got them for less than the 980 was at launch I am pretty happy with the performance for the money. Thanks to Maxwell's generous OC capability I am already 30% quicker than a stock 980 Ti too.

:thumbsup: Ya, for you 1080's overclocking will be a crucial factor. If it's 25-30% faster than a stock 980Ti but only has 10-15% overclocking headroom, it won't be worth upgrading for you. But, if it has 25-30% overclocking headroom, then it might be worth it esp. since you got such a good deal on your 980Tis, which means you'll be able to time the sale with little loss in resale value!

Anyway, I'll wait and see what happens with the GP104 rumors. More info is being leaked by the day so I should know a lot more about it by June to decide if the performance benefit is worth the trouble of reselling. Barring something amazing from Pascal, I am looking ahead towards Volta/Vega at this point. I think they will be the cards that would represent a meaningful upgrade for me. Pascal will be a great upgrade for anyone not on Maxwell and wants to stick with team Green.

Thanks again.

Sounds like a good plan. You'll still have at least 1 week I bet from the time the cards are announced until they are released in retail to sell your 980Tis if you wanted to. 980Tis SLI is still an amazing setup but remember how you thought a single 980Ti would be enough for you at 4K?

In THAT light, AMD's decision to build GCN the way it did was perfect timing.

Didn't you know if you don't upgrade every 2 years, you aren't "normal" on these boards? J/K. But in all seriousness, those who upgrade every 2 years didn't care about how GTX600/700 aged. If you are the type of customer who does care, well the history of ATI vs. NV already showed that past generations of ATI cards also aged better most of the time.

Thing is as of June 2012, HD7970Ghz beat 680 at 1600p. So it was obvious already it was going to outperform 680 over the generation, but I wasn't sure how much better. Once I saw that 7970Ghz beat 680 at 1600p June 2012, I bought 7970s. The data was all there on launch date but most of the market ignored it. I also knew as a bonus AMD designed a Compute-focused architecture, the underlying architecture for XB1/PS4 and 7970 had 3GB of VRAM for less $ than 680 2GB. It was a no brainer and a slam dunk once taking mining into account.

I cannot say anything negative about 980Ti though because its 20-30% OCing headroom saved it even in games where Maxwell doesn't perform well. In games where NV does well, Fury X has no chance. 970 was also a nice card, priced reasonably for most of its life. It's 750/750Ti/950/960/980 that I think weren't good cards at all.

If you compare them to what is probably the worst value GPU in recent history then yes of course they'll look good.

The 290/390 have been competition for the 980 and 970 for longer though, and that is where the damage was done.

I think the worst value is easily Titan Z for gaming, followed by cards like R9 295X2 $1499/Radeon Pro Duo (for gaming). I find that most of the market hates dual-GPU cards. It's possible to find a used R9 295X2 for close to or barely more $ than what an AIO CLC 390X costs now. Crazy how much some of these high-end cards depreciate.

 

[Adored]

I think the worst value is easily Titan Z for gaming, followed by cards like R9 295X2 $1499/Radeon Pro Duo (for gaming). I find that most of the market hates dual-GPU cards. It's possible to find a used R9 295X2 for close to or barely more $ than what an AIO CLC 390X costs now. Crazy how much some of these high-end cards depreciate.

Yes, I actually thought about the Titan Z after making the post, clearly that's the worst card and I agree on dual cards in general.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

and again no one is talking about the elephant in the room
780ti

 

[3DVagabond]

Ah I see you thought the same thing, they lost their samples.

I do agree, and you also have the same issue on the flip side, if you've paid a lot of money for your cards, you'll want them to do better to prove to yourself that you made a good purchase. You see this reasoning in [H] reviews.

Does [H] say they pay for their cards? I know they have bought stuff that they couldn't get review samples of, but I doubt Kyle bought his two Titan X.

 

[Bacon1]

Does [H] say they pay for their cards? I know they have bought stuff that they couldn't get review samples of, but I doubt Kyle bought his two Titan X.

Well either he paid for them, or he is using two review samples in his personal machine.

Anyway, they used to claim they bought retail cards as to buy the same quality people would receive and to make sure they didn't get "golden sample" cards, who knows anymore since they threw a fit about the Nano release and having to buy a card (and sff system) to test it.

 

[Silverforce11]

Is the game even DX12?

GameGPU claims it is but on the UWP store, it says under requirements, for graphics: DX11.

It's hard to see DX11 have that kind of ridiculous gap where a reference 290X ~= 980Ti! haha

 

[ShintaiDK]

Is the game even DX12?

I think its DX12 (As per MS mandatory demands, plus its mentioned previously in relation to DX12). Windows 10 is a requirement as well.

But someone with a DX11 card and Windows 10 could always test if it works. It may be a downgrade path.

The version tested by gamegpu was also the frame bugged one. And new patches are already out.

 

[96Firebird]

His reasoning was:

I provided the actual translation. If there are driver issues, the card wouldn't be out of testing for weeks when more and more games will be tested. Therefore, his guess is 100% wrong. If you spoke the language, it would be obvious the way it was worded has nothing to do with software.

He guessed, you guessed. Yours is no better than his.

Simple as that. :thumbsup:

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Is the game even DX12?

GameGPU claims it is but on the UWP store, it says under requirements, for graphics: DX11.

It's hard to see DX11 have that kind of ridiculous gap where a reference 290X ~= 980Ti! haha

The game requires DX11. Had it been DX12, Nvidia would've been left in the dust like Quantum Break ...

 

[Spanners]

He guessed, you guessed. Yours is no better than his.

Simple as that. :thumbsup:

I'd take the guess with a justification that makes sense from the person that speaks the language over the one that makes next to none from a person that doesn't. So his guess isn't "as good as his". Simple as that :thumbsup:

 

[Mahigan]

I'd take the guess with a justification that makes sense from the person that speaks the language over the one that makes next to none from a person that doesn't. So his guess isn't "as good as his". Simple as that

Like the difference between an opinion and an informed opinion.

 

[stuff_me_good]

Well it's nice and dandy that there is still good life in these 4 year old AMD cards. But I guess the reason why nvidia is more profitable and has better reputation is because they realized that PC gamers like/want to upgrade in regular basis. We are hungry for more power all the time and that is the sole reason why we are not console peasants who don't care of upgrading and all that sh**. Nvidia knows this and they live in this time not in the future. Nvidia is using it resources to make their product work good on current generation games and software as good as possible. In the mean time they can asses the future and make necessary improvement to their architecture.

I for one are glad to have had so good value on my 290 card, but oh boy this waiting for new faster hardware is boring. In the end I like to upgrade my GFX card more often even if I don't have more demanding games. It's silly but this is how I feel.

But then again, I don't think I'm majority, it would be nice to see some research on general PC gamer buying habits.

 

[flopper]

isnt the lesson you pay twice as much for a card that performs as well as the mid range?
I mean, seriously something is seriously wrong with the nvidia approach.

 

[thesmokingman]

He guessed, you guessed. Yours is no better than his.

Simple as that. :thumbsup:

My 11yr old is going thru this phase too, where he offers an opinionated response to everything as if his life depends on being a contrarian. No need to comment on everything when you don't bring anything. He'll get there and maybe you will too. :thumbsup:

 

[AtenRa]

Well it's nice and dandy that there is still good life in these 4 year old AMD cards. But I guess the reason why nvidia is more profitable and has better reputation is because they realized that PC gamers like/want to upgrade in regular basis. We are hungry for more power all the time and that is the sole reason why we are not console peasants who don't care of upgrading and all that sh**. Nvidia knows this and they live in this time not in the future. Nvidia is using it resources to make their product work good on current generation games and software as good as possible. In the mean time they can asses the future and make necessary improvement to their architecture.

I for one are glad to have had so good value on my 290 card, but oh boy this waiting for new faster hardware is boring. In the end I like to upgrade my GFX card more often even if I don't have more demanding games. It's silly but this is how I feel.

But then again, I don't think I'm majority, it would be nice to see some research on general PC gamer buying habits.

The big difference this time compared to 2012 is that DX-12 is here now and everyone coding for GCN because of the consoles. So AMDs new GCN architecture will perform full throttle on current and future DX-12 games.
This time GCN will not have to wait for Mantle and DX-12 to arrive, this time GCN will work 100% capacity from day one.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Now I feel bad for selling 3 x R9 290x.




No, why would I say that, my last R9 290x is as good as a GTX 980ti.