#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

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jackstar7

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Show me where I'm acting like a victim. You make the claim, you back it up.

Still waiting for jackstar to back up his claim that GGers in this thread have called for firings, jailings, or other punishment. Otherwise, another Bullshitter.

Show me where I made that claim.

I do remember stating clearly that you'd play semantic games and be a pedant. So far, those have been proven true by your behavior. And this is, of course, because you have no interest in a discussion. You simply want to argue and "win".
 
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Chiropteran

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WTF? Where does he say the cartoonist "deserves" to be murdered?

Right here:

If you choose to do so and you or someone you care about dies don't expect me to get upset as you knew the risk going in.

Sorry, I guess I slightly misinterpreted his comment. He is really saying your family or loved ones die, so not necessarily the cartoonist getting murdered, but the same general concept.

Just flip the comment around a little, and feminists will be freaking out over it.

"If you choose to dress like that and you or someone you care about gets raped don't expect me to get upset as you knew the risk going in."

You know what the responses would be. "OMG, VICTIM BLAMER"
 

Chiropteran

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Show me where I made that claim.

I do remember stating clearly that you'd play semantic games and be a pedant. So far, those have been proven true by your behavior. And this is, of course, because you have no interest in a discussion. You simply want to argue and "win".

Well now you are playing semantic games. You said as much as the above claim, you just didn't use those exact words.

Semantics.

I guess you can add hypocrite as well, since you seem to think semantic arguments are such a terrible thing, maybe you should quit using them yourself.
 

jackstar7

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Well now you are playing semantic games. You said as much as the above claim, you just didn't use those exact words.

Semantics.

I guess you can add hypocrite as well, since you seem to think semantic arguments are such a terrible thing, maybe you should quit using them yourself.

Except I didn't say as much.

Also, welcome to my ignore list. You've shown no level of respect for discussion, so I have no time for you, sir.
 

Spungo

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"If you choose to dress like that and you or someone you care about gets raped don't expect me to get upset as you knew the risk going in."

You know what the responses would be. "OMG, VICTIM BLAMER"
"If you get blackout drunk at the frat party, don't act surprised when the guys draw on your face with a permanent marker, put a carrot in your ass, and rub Tiger Balm on your dick."
OMG VICTIM BLAMING!

I think the upsetting thing is when people act like it's purely black and white why things happen. You dressed like a skank, so it's 100% your fault you were raped. You dressed like a skank, but it's 0% your fault you were raped. Neither of those is accurate. Violent humans in society are a bit like wild animals running loose the city. If there were wolves roaming the streets, would you warn your kids and teach them how to avoid the wolves? Yes you would. Would you also try to kill those wolves? Yes you would. We spend so much time assigning blame for the problem that we forget to solve the problem.
 
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Blue_Max

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Show me where I made that claim.

I do remember stating clearly that you'd play semantic games and be a pedant. So far, those have been proven true by your behavior. And this is, of course, because you have no interest in a discussion. You simply want to argue and "win".

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37618057&postcount=2152
Post 2152, "So the nazi and sub-human comparisons in this very thread... oh wait... semantically not the same. Nevermind, then. I know your game and it is pedantry."

Except I didn't say as much.

Also, welcome to my ignore list. You've shown no level of respect for discussion, so I have no time for you, sir.

Heh... get proven wrong, silence the voice that said it. :thumbsup:
 

jackstar7

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http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37618057&postcount=2152
Post 2152, "So the nazi and sub-human comparisons in this very thread... oh wait... semantically not the same. Nevermind, then. I know your game and it is pedantry."



Heh... get proven wrong, silence the voice that said it. :thumbsup:

Wow, so literally don't prove me wrong and then say that you did. That's impressive cognitive dissonance calibration you have there.

And I silenced no one. I don't have powers to ban him. I simply don't care for his lack of contribution to the thread. Freedom not to be insulted by the howlers. I think I'm good.
 

Blue_Max

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I think the upsetting thing is when people act like it's purely black and white why things happen. You dressed like a skank, so it's 100% your fault you were raped. You dressed like a skank, but it's 0% your fault you were raped. Neither of those is accurate. Violent humans in society are a bit like wild animals running loose the city. If there were wolves roaming the streets, would you warn your kids and teach them how to avoid the wolves? Yes you would. Would you also try to kill those wolves? Yes you would. We spend so much time assigning blame for the problem that we forget to solve the problem.


Oh gawd YES!! :thumbsup:

Now if only more people would subscribe to this simple, effective logic. Unfortunately, certain crowds have a vested interest in avoiding it. To them, warning others of danger is to somehow shame those who failed to avoid that danger. It also absolves that group of any responsibility to even try to avoid that danger, and accept no responsibility for the consequences.

It's the classic "lock your door to avoid a thief" example. Do what you can to avoid what you can - don't be a squishy easy target begging to be taken advantage of by leaving your door unlocked AND obviously ajar. Bad things happen to everyone, not just those who claim eternal victimhood, but they'll happen more often to those who refuse to do anything to avoid it.
 

Blue_Max

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Wow, so literally don't prove me wrong and then say that you did. That's impressive cognitive dissonance calibration you have there.

And I silenced no one. I don't have powers to ban him. I simply don't care for his lack of contribution to the thread. Freedom not to be insulted by the howlers. I think I'm good.

You claimed something about me, he proved you wrong. Now you try to change the story entirely and claim I'm the one with cognitive dissonance... fascinating. Being wrong is a real soft spot for you isn't it? It happens to everyone, y'know. I've admitted it when I'm in error. Not that big of a deal.

The only insult he ever gave you was the term "hypocrite". Quite frankly, I think he's right.
 

jackstar7

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You claimed something about me, he proved you wrong. Now you try to change the story entirely and claim I'm the one with cognitive dissonance... fascinating. Being wrong is a real soft spot for you isn't it? It happens to everyone, y'know. I've admitted it when I'm in error. Not that big of a deal.

The only insult he ever gave you was the term "hypocrite". Quite frankly, I think he's right.

He disproved nothing. You are a pedant.

Since you have a thing for pics, maybe this will help. I hope you get the reference.





EDIT: Thought about it more. I had and have no interest in making it personal. I was and am interested in the issue and how it affects people. In many many instances, the two of you have done little but insult people, get very defensive, and make it personal in both regards. If you had and could demonstrate an actual desire to discuss the topic at hand, that would be tremendous. Thus far, you have not. It's been frequently sniping and pointless complaints.
 
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EDIT: Thought about it more. I had and have no interest in making it personal. I was and am interested in the issue and how it affects people. In many many instances, the two of you have done little but insult people, get very defensive, and make it personal in both regards. If you had and could demonstrate an actual desire to discuss the topic at hand, that would be tremendous. Thus far, you have not. It's been frequently sniping and pointless complaints.

Welcome to the saga of 'gamergate'. You're debating against a script.
 
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jackstar7

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Welcome to the saga of 'gamergate'. You're debating against a script.

I appreciate you saying so. I don't mind an uphill walk, generally, but perhaps the destination isn't worth the wear on the soles of my shoes.

I also feel a responsibility to provide feedback and attempt to keep it constructive, as it is what I wish for in return.
 

werepossum

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"If you get blackout drunk at the frat party, don't act surprised when the guys draw on your face with a permanent marker, put a carrot in your ass, and rub Tiger Balm on your dick."
OMG VICTIM BLAMING!

I think the upsetting thing is when people act like it's purely black and white why things happen. You dressed like a skank, so it's 100% your fault you were raped. You dressed like a skank, but it's 0% your fault you were raped. Neither of those is accurate. Violent humans in society are a bit like wild animals running loose the city. If there were wolves roaming the streets, would you warn your kids and teach them how to avoid the wolves? Yes you would. Would you also try to kill those wolves? Yes you would. We spend so much time assigning blame for the problem that we forget to solve the problem.
Well said - well, except for that first part, that was seriously eeew - but the problem is that we don't agree on what is the problem. Here we have one side that says the problem is that your video games do not meet my standards and the other side that says the problem is that you are trying to fuck with my video games. How does anyone solve that? There is never going to be a happy medium for the loudest of either side, and probably not for the core of either side given that the core of the anti-Gamergate people will not accept games that the core of Gamergate people will accept. I guarantee that "Hello Kitty Fem Squad takes on the straight white Christian male establishment through non-violent confrontation and gets a hiring quota system" ain't never gonna sell enough to break even, and that's even assuming it has good controls and AAA graphics.
 

Exophase

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EDIT: Thought about it more. I had and have no interest in making it personal. I was and am interested in the issue and how it affects people. In many many instances, the two of you have done little but insult people, get very defensive, and make it personal in both regards. If you had and could demonstrate an actual desire to discuss the topic at hand, that would be tremendous. Thus far, you have not. It's been frequently sniping and pointless complaints.

WHY do you keep singling out one side of this? Are you really not seeing all of the seriously insulting posts happening from other people?
 

shortylickens

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People often confuse freedom of speech for freedom from consequences of speech.

They do more than that. Too many Americans these days confuse Freedom with Freedom from consequences.

Free speech is probably abused the most, but its a lot of other things too. And its not any one specific group of people. Rich white men in boardrooms do it. Poor black single mothers do it. Politicians, cops, students, teachers, hobos, and those annoying peckers at Starbucks.
 

werepossum

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They do more than that. Too many Americans these days confuse Freedom with Freedom from consequences.

Free speech is probably abused the most, but its a lot of other things too. And its not any one specific group of people. Rich white men in boardrooms do it. Poor black single mothers do it. Politicians, cops, students, teachers, hobos, and those annoying peckers at Starbucks.
This is true. That one is free to do something doesn't necessarily mean that thing is not a stupid thing to do.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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This is true. That one is free to do something doesn't necessarily mean that thing is not a stupid thing to do.

I dont mind people being stupid. My problem is they dont wanna deal with the consequences. I think if they had to there would be fewer stupid people around.

They'd either die, or learn their lesson. Problem is solved either way.
 

Moonbeam

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I dont mind people being stupid. My problem is they dont wanna deal with the consequences. I think if they had to there would be fewer stupid people around.

They'd either die, or learn their lesson. Problem is solved either way.

Obviously they don't all die or learn their lessons. A lot of them post without the slightest idea they're imbeciles. Try to understand what a world without pity or empathy would look like, you crass childish son of a bitch.
 

MagickMan

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Obviously they don't all die or learn their lessons. A lot of them post without the slightest idea they're imbeciles. Try to understand what a world without pity or empathy would look like, you crass childish son of a bitch.

Oh the empathy! Such irony from such a stupid wise and beautiful woman. Go back to praying to your invisible man in the sky, maybe he'll forgive you for being such a hypocritical twat. :awe:
 

jackstar7

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WHY do you keep singling out one side of this? Are you really not seeing all of the seriously insulting posts happening from other people?

I've singled out individuals who have specifically hindered my ability to explore this topic constructively.

I didn't care the side from which it came. If you feel like I've been unfair to one side... not sure I can help you, because that only means that the side has slowed my understanding more often.

But by all means, please have the discussion with me about the topic, and not about the team sports of it all, as if sides matter.

If you think I'm not bringing enough to the conversation, then bring something to guide me to that conversation I should be having.
 
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