Games don't play like they used to..

[Deleted member 4644]

Maybe I am just mis-remembering. Or maybe I am getting old and my reflexes are not what they used to be... but..

Thinking back to Quake II, Tribes, etc. There was a certain *perfect* smoothness to that gameplay. Even with dialup modems and old netcode, there was something exquisite and elegant about the way hits registered and jumps could be timed...

I just played the newest iteration of Tribes, and it was fun, but definitely did not have that feel.

So.. am I just getting old, or is this real?

 

[takeru]

i was a quake 2 junky back then. you may be thinking about the physics of the game and stuff. when quake 3 came out it felt very different and off. quake 4 it felt like how it was in quake 2.

anyone remember... quad power+grappling hook in quake 2 ctf?

 

[DougK62]

I've noticed similar things. I think the issue you're experiencing is just that the physics in these modern games is getting really good. It's a different experience.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

People want more realism, I'm more of an arcade shooter guy myself as well.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Get a new graphics card?

I do think that more realistic physics are to blame. Movements are more sudden, jerkier, and less fluid and floaty than they used to be. There's also the move toward "realistic" shooters over fast-paced arena shooters, which means less jumping.

 

[DesiPower]

I felt the same way... I never moved past AOE2, 3 was crap, Tribes 2 was great, vengeance was crap, railroad tycoon 2 was good, 3 was crap, NFS HP2 was awesome rest all crap. I did enjoy all the Prince of Persia up until sands of time, rest were crap. Doom Duke then Quake were awesome, rest all FPS were crap (until tribes)

But recently I started falling in love with games again. I liked BFBC2, I am hooked, same with COD, I am loving BF3, MW3 is crap though. NFS MW and HP were awesome!

I am going to start playing Tribes Ascend today (thanks to a certain someone on this forum :thumbsup I do not expect it to be the same as tribes 2 but it should be enjoyable, I am keeping an open mind.

I guess my enthusiasm returned after I decided to build a brand new gaming rig with all the bells and whistles, up until then I looked down on modern games too... Things have definitely changed, they are different, the new gen likes them, if you keep an open mind, throw the old games out of your mental window, give them a chance, you might like them too!

 

[Drako]

... consoliztion ... blah blah ... consolization ... blah.

 

[pontifex]

wrong forum

 

[DesiPower]

wrong forum

its not about games, its about OP getting old :biggrin:

 

[KeithP]

LCD vs CRT maybe?

-KeithP

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Get a new graphics card?

I do think that more realistic physics are to blame. Movements are more sudden, jerkier, and less fluid and floaty than they used to be. There's also the move toward "realistic" shooters over fast-paced arena shooters, which means less jumping.

I think you nailed it.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU
Console's terrible ports to PC + terrible UI + too many intro screens +....many more?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4yIxUOWrtw heh..

 

[Deleted member 4644]

I felt the same way... I never moved past AOE2, 3 was crap, Tribes 2 was great, vengeance was crap, railroad tycoon 2 was good, 3 was crap, NFS HP2 was awesome rest all crap. I did enjoy all the Prince of Persia up until sands of time, rest were crap. Doom Duke then Quake were awesome, rest all FPS were crap (until tribes)

But recently I started falling in love with games again. I liked BFBC2, I am hooked, same with COD, I am loving BF3, MW3 is crap though. NFS MW and HP were awesome!

I am going to start playing Tribes Ascend today (thanks to a certain someone on this forum :thumbsup I do not expect it to be the same as tribes 2 but it should be enjoyable, I am keeping an open mind.

I guess my enthusiasm returned after I decided to build a brand new gaming rig with all the bells and whistles, up until then I looked down on modern games too... Things have definitely changed, they are different, the new gen likes them, if you keep an open mind, throw the old games out of your mental window, give them a chance, you might like them too!

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoy the new games. BF3 is actually REALLY fun, and I like the new Tribes.

But none of them have that floaty buttery smoothness haha.

 

[edro]

Quake 3 was the last of the good instant reaction games.
Tribes, Counterstrike (Half-Life 1), etc were all like that.

It is definitely the physics engines... you aren't getting old.

 

[Zorander]

LCD vs CRT maybe?

-KeithP

I was thinking of this too (assuming the rest of OP's system are of decent spec).

 

[BurnItDwn]

i was a quake 2 junky back then. you may be thinking about the physics of the game and stuff. when quake 3 came out it felt very different and off. quake 4 it felt like how it was in quake 2.

anyone remember... quad power+grappling hook in quake 2 ctf?

Yes!!!

I LOVED Quake and Quake 2. Would spend hours and hours in DM, TDM, CTF, and NIQ servers... I especially enjoyed raping DM servers once I was a LPB in college .... I think I spent more time in Quake then I did in class or studying ... hahaha

I HATED Quake 3.

And I really enjoyed Quake 4, though never got big into multiplayer with that one...

 

[Jeff7]

Get a new graphics card?

I do think that more realistic physics are to blame. Movements are more sudden, jerkier, and less fluid and floaty than they used to be. There's also the move toward "realistic" shooters over fast-paced arena shooters, which means less jumping.

Some amusing games:
Quake 3 Arena. Rocket-jumping was fun, darn it!

Giants: Citizen Kabuto, as either the Meccs or Delphi. Want to fly around an island for awhile? Ok then, go fly around the island.
Too bad it ended like it did - no sequel, and the game engine was locked down tight, so there was virtually nothing possible in terms of custom mods, besides screwing with the textures.:\

 

[dighn]

I think you nailed it.

ditto. people don't hop around like bunnies or make 360 spins instantly IRL.

also a lot of these games cater to consoles now, which don't have responsive controls anyway.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-modern-warfare-3-vs-battlefield-3
interesting article on latency, apparently mw3 is 60fps low latency vs battlefield which is double.
this is console of course, pc no issues.

 

[Fritzo]

Back then, designers were allowed time to balance, tweak, and adjust games to make sure they were ready to go out the door.

Giant corps. like EA don't care about the gaming experience anymore, they just want to push product out the door and hope one of them sticks.

However, have you played Batman:Arkham City or Skyrim yet? Holy hell, those are the most amazing games I've ever seen!

 

[Udgnim]

FPSes got slowed the fuck down in movement because of console becoming the primary platform for development and needing to create gameplay suitable for the controller

controllers do not work well with the old school fast moving FPSes

 

[invidia]

Games in the 90s and early 00s were revolutionary. Almost all the good ideas have been taken.

 

[AMCRambler]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-modern-warfare-3-vs-battlefield-3
interesting article on latency, apparently mw3 is 60fps low latency vs battlefield which is double.
this is console of course, pc no issues.

Holy Crap! This is why I hated Battlefield 3 so much and Modern Warfare feels so frickin awesome by comparison. There are times I swear I pulled the damn trigger first in BF3 and I get laid out and my gun never even went off. Holy lag fest.

EA screwed that up bad. Yeah the amazing graphics and destructable environment in BF3 is cool, but if lagging the inputs from the player is the trade off its a horrible price to pay and not worth the bargain. Damn. I can't believe that didn't come out during beta testing.

I was sooooo disappointed with BF3 on the console as I played BF2 on the pc and it rocked. Totally get it now. Richard Leadbetter nailed it on the head with that article.

 

[0roo0roo]

Holy Crap! This is why I hated Battlefield 3 so much and Modern Warfare feels so frickin awesome by comparison. There are times I swear I pulled the damn trigger first in BF3 and I get laid out and my gun never even went off. Holy lag fest.

EA screwed that up bad. Yeah the amazing graphics and destructable environment in BF3 is cool, but if lagging the inputs from the player is the trade off its a horrible price to pay and not worth the bargain. Damn. I can't believe that didn't come out during beta testing.

I was sooooo disappointed with BF3 on the console as I played BF2 on the pc and it rocked. Totally get it now. Richard Leadbetter nailed it on the head with that article.

Yea bf3 kind almost looks jerky in the videos, not sure how that works because of the video frame rate

116ms lag or whatever is pretty loosy goosy..

it was by design, so they knew about it during testing, games on consoles have to make these trade offs. stuff like rage on the other hand are 60fps locked even on pc

 

[Jeff7]

Games in the 90s and early 00s were revolutionary. Almost all the good ideas have been taken.

I'm sure there are still good ideas out there...somewhere. Portal was something rather new. One gun? And it doesn't even kill things? Boooriiinnnn.....oh cool, it conserves momentum when you jump through. *
.....well, I guess that was the early 00's. I feel old now.:$

It's just safer to keep pushing out the same thing over and over again, same as the movie industry is doing - remaking things that already have 5 remakes.



* - The portal gun would of course solve the planet's energy problems. Want (nearly) infinite energy? Put a self-contained waterwheel in your house that never stops falling. Water falls in portal, falls out other portal, hits wheel, falls in portal. You can't explain that.