Games still on cd's!?

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Schnozzinkobenstein
In Steam's latest hardware survey, 20-30% of people had CD drives.

And 90% of the people on Steam are playing counterstrike, a game that runs ok on a 200mhz Pentium MMX.

no it does not run OK on a P200. had a P233 with MMX with 128mb of ram, and a 4mb S3 virge. needless to say i held a 93-death streak in my school server. i had to shrink the screen to make the game faster.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: cpacini

Originally posted by: kravmaga
Funny, if it costs more to liscense dvds than CDs why have all the freebie games I've gotten over the past few months with hardware been dvds? Farcry, BF2, CoD 2 (all coming with various hardware I've purchased) all dvd's. You would think that if it was so much cheaper than they would make the free bundled games CD's. I've actually avoided buying certain games because the DVD version either didn't exist or was a limited time thing.

It costs more to license a DVD than a CD, but it is cheaper to use 1 DVD than 6 CD's

Um no. CD's are the Most common denominator. Almost anyone can install from a CD, including those who have DVD drives. Even as little as one year ago OEM's were still selling PC's with CD drives only.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Chacranajxy
As it is, I always buy the DVD versions of games when I can... there's less stuff to keep track of and installing stuff is more convenient.

And when you fit six CD's worth of data on a DVD, one little scratch is six times more likely to screw up your game's installation.

 

[Chacranajxy]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Chacranajxy
As it is, I always buy the DVD versions of games when I can... there's less stuff to keep track of and installing stuff is more convenient.

And when you fit six CD's worth of data on a DVD, one little scratch is six times more likely to screw up your game's installation.

Or you could be careful and take some responsibility.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Schnozzinkobenstein
In Steam's latest hardware survey, 20-30% of people had CD drives.

And 90% of the people on Steam are playing counterstrike, a game that runs ok on a 200mhz Pentium MMX.

no it does not run OK on a P200. had a P233 with MMX with 128mb of ram, and a 4mb S3 virge. needless to say i held a 93-death streak in my school server. i had to shrink the screen to make the game faster.

That sounds more like a video card problem than a CPU problem. If you had an AT 9500 or better then things might not have been so tough.

 

[Maximilian]

Well in the UK, i havent seen that many 4+ cd games around. First game i got which was dvd was farcry and since then every game ive bought has come on a dvd. Civ 4/Quake 4/Bf2 etc. All on dvd.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Soviet
Well in the UK, i havent seen that many 4+ cd games around. First game i got which was dvd was farcry and since then every game ive bought has come on a dvd. Civ 4/Quake 4/Bf2 etc. All on dvd.

I do not know if you have played Battlefield 2 but It comes in a multiple CD format.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Schnozzinkobenstein
In Steam's latest hardware survey, 20-30% of people had CD drives.

And 90% of the people on Steam are playing counterstrike, a game that runs ok on a 200mhz Pentium MMX.

no it does not run OK on a P200. had a P233 with MMX with 128mb of ram, and a 4mb S3 virge. needless to say i held a 93-death streak in my school server. i had to shrink the screen to make the game faster.

That sounds more like a video card problem than a CPU problem. If you had an AT 9500 or better then things might not have been so tough.

i doubt a pentium board would take an AGP card. it's mostly limited by CPU speed.

as a matter of fact, right after i've finished building my current AXP 1700+, i was waiting for the gforce3 to arrive in the mail. i propped in my S3 virge and started playing CS for a week. other than the crappy video quality, the speed was definitely acceptable.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Schnozzinkobenstein
In Steam's latest hardware survey, 20-30% of people had CD drives.

And 90% of the people on Steam are playing counterstrike, a game that runs ok on a 200mhz Pentium MMX.

no it does not run OK on a P200. had a P233 with MMX with 128mb of ram, and a 4mb S3 virge. needless to say i held a 93-death streak in my school server. i had to shrink the screen to make the game faster.

That sounds more like a video card problem than a CPU problem. If you had an AT 9500 or better then things might not have been so tough.

i doubt a pentium board would take an AGP card. it's mostly limited by CPU speed.

as a matter of fact, right after i've finished building my current AXP 1700+, i was waiting for the gforce3 to arrive in the mail. i propped in my S3 virge and started playing CS for a week. other than the crappy video quality, the speed was definitely acceptable.

But there are some PCI cards out there that that are way faster than a 4mb S3. ATi 9250 comes to mind. It is possible that the CPU could be installed on a Super Socket 7 motherboard, most of those had AGP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...odevalue=696:9642&bop=and&Order=priceD

 

[JackBurton]

I've got CoD2 on 6 freakin' CDs! :| That game shouldn't even come on CD. If you don't have a DVD drive, too bad. Just like, if you don't have a decent video card to run that game, too bad, go buy one. I'm not buying the licensing issue. The price per MB on DVD is now better than on CD. If there was extra licensing cost for the DVD, it would ballance out in the end. The argument about more people having CD drive than DVD drive is just as bad. Games like Doom3, CoD2, FarCry, BF2 and FEAR are all high end games, meaning you'll need a beefy machine with a NICE video card to run it the way it should. If someone can buy a $200-$500 video card to play a game, they can thow in another $30 for a DVD drive.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I've got CoD2 on 6 freakin' CDs! :| That game shouldn't even come on CD. If you don't have a DVD drive, too bad. Just like, if you don't have a decent video card to run that game, too bad, go buy one. I'm not buying the licensing issue. The price per MB on DVD is now better than on CD. If there was extra licensing cost for the DVD, it would ballance out in the end. The argument about more people having CD drive than DVD drive is just as bad. Games like Doom3, CoD2, FarCry, BF2 and FEAR are all high end games, meaning you'll need a beefy machine with a NICE video card to run it the way it should. If someone can buy a $200-$500 video card to play a game, they can thow in another $30 for a DVD drive.

All this gripe reminds me of the last time we went through a change in media type. About 11 years ago software was making the Transition from the floppy to the CD. I can remember going in to a software shop and having the option of buying either 5 or 6 floppies or one CD. because not every machine had a CD drive and floppies could be copied, I usualy chose the floppy even though I had a 2x CD drive at the time. The same is true today, I have seen the same software avlable in both CD and DVD (Battlefield 2).

 

[Schnozzinkobenstein]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Schnozzinkobenstein
In Steam's latest hardware survey, 20-30% of people had CD drives.

And 90% of the people on Steam are playing counterstrike, a game that runs ok on a 200mhz Pentium MMX.

0.01% of the survey participants had a CPU less than 300Mhz, and 3.15% had less than 1Ghz.

So there.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Schnozzinkobenstein
In Steam's latest hardware survey, 20-30% of people had CD drives.

And 90% of the people on Steam are playing counterstrike, a game that runs ok on a 200mhz Pentium MMX.

no it does not run OK on a P200. had a P233 with MMX with 128mb of ram, and a 4mb S3 virge. needless to say i held a 93-death streak in my school server. i had to shrink the screen to make the game faster.

Ah, sorry, I forgot CS has higher system requirements than halflife.

I remember running halflife on my 300mhz K6 computer...it mostly ran silky smooth except for the most intense areas.
Then I got a Voodoo 3, and it blew threw that game.
Then I got a 500mhz athlon, and it blew some more. I think I was on an above 1ghz cpu by the time CS came out though.

i doubt a pentium board would take an AGP card. it's mostly limited by CPU speed.

I decent PCI board would be more than enough.
BTW, my sister has a Vaio with an 800mhz Duron and the original Rage Mobility chip(clocking in at something like 60mhz) and Halflife actually runs faster in software rendered mode than it does in 3d accelerated mode. So does UT2k4 for that matter.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: cpacini

Originally posted by: kravmaga
Funny, if it costs more to liscense dvds than CDs why have all the freebie games I've gotten over the past few months with hardware been dvds? Farcry, BF2, CoD 2 (all coming with various hardware I've purchased) all dvd's. You would think that if it was so much cheaper than they would make the free bundled games CD's. I've actually avoided buying certain games because the DVD version either didn't exist or was a limited time thing.

It costs more to license a DVD than a CD, but it is cheaper to use 1 DVD than 6 CD's

Shouldn't that balance out?

 

[BFG10K]

I agree that games should be coming on DVDs, especially the multi-CD ones. I always buy DVD versions wherever possible.

 

[imported_drx]

Originally posted by: cpacini

Originally posted by: OhHenry
Ok, they still make put games on CDs and DVDs but stop making next generation AGP cards... What's the rational behind this?

They release games on cd rather than dvd because it is the method that makes them the most money. If they could make more money by releasing games on dvd then they would. The gaming companys would lose more money in sales by losing people that dont have a DVD drive then they would make by saving money in the manufacturing process.

Originally posted by: tasburrfoot78362

With stuff like this or even this, how can you be without a DVD drive if you might need one?

Because the vast majority of computer users buy thier computer from Dell and Gateway and do not have the slightest idea that they can buy a DVD drive for $20, nor would they have any idea how to install it.

I don't even think you can buy a pre-built anymore without a dvd-rom drive.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: cpacini

Originally posted by: kravmaga
Funny, if it costs more to liscense dvds than CDs why have all the freebie games I've gotten over the past few months with hardware been dvds? Farcry, BF2, CoD 2 (all coming with various hardware I've purchased) all dvd's. You would think that if it was so much cheaper than they would make the free bundled games CD's. I've actually avoided buying certain games because the DVD version either didn't exist or was a limited time thing.

It costs more to license a DVD than a CD, but it is cheaper to use 1 DVD than 6 CD's

Shouldn't that balance out?

It does, Take Two said that a DVD version of Serious Sam 2 would be cheaper to make than a CD version.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

"It costs more to license a DVD than a CD"

LICENSE THEM FROM WHO?

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Chacranajxy
As it is, I always buy the DVD versions of games when I can... there's less stuff to keep track of and installing stuff is more convenient.

And when you fit six CD's worth of data on a DVD, one little scratch is six times more likely to screw up your game's installation.

exactly

 

[Chacranajxy]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Chacranajxy
As it is, I always buy the DVD versions of games when I can... there's less stuff to keep track of and installing stuff is more convenient.

And when you fit six CD's worth of data on a DVD, one little scratch is six times more likely to screw up your game's installation.

exactly

By the way, did you guys know that DVDs have better error correction than CDs? And either way, scratching one CD kills the whole installation, so even if the error correction was equal, DVDs would still have the advantage.

 

[Chaotic42]

I'm tired of CDs too. It's 2005. My 600MHz Compaq laptop with 8MB of video memory has a DVD drive.

It's time.

 

[Jeff7]

I don't even think you can buy a pre-built anymore without a dvd-rom drive.

Exactly. Even a lot of laptops have DVD-ROM drives, or more often, DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drives.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Chacranajxy

Originally posted by: Powermoloch

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: Chacranajxy
As it is, I always buy the DVD versions of games when I can... there's less stuff to keep track of and installing stuff is more convenient.

And when you fit six CD's worth of data on a DVD, one little scratch is six times more likely to screw up your game's installation.

exactly

By the way, did you guys know that DVDs have better error correction than CDs? And either way, scratching one CD kills the whole installation, so even if the error correction was equal, DVDs would still have the advantage.

I was gonna say that :thumbsup:

 

[anthrax]

DVD is definately more cost effective.

CD-ROM might have lower cost per disk.
but DVD-ROM probably has much lower cost per megabyte.

 

[OhHenry]

I love how these multi pack cds games come with a spindle. I have plenty of empty spindle cases lying around my room. I think I need to throw them out now or build a pyramid. Do they still use muti-cd jewel cases? The last one I got was from Farcry. I also got cd sleeves from WoW like my blockbuster rental dvds.