Gaming Board?

EPZ Soldier

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I'm having second thoughts on which mobo to get ??? I'm looking to build a fast gaming machine and need to build this thing from the mobo up? I have the A64 3700+ processor is this a good chip for gaming? Any input would be greatly appreciated!
 

Effect

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You should prolly include some more details, ie. whether you intend to overclock, do you need SLI?

If money is no issue, check out DFI. I've heard good things about the Epox 9NPA+Ultra, cheap, stable and good for overclocking. Also, the 3700+ is about as good for gaming as any other A64 CPU, (though it uses the San Diego core, same core as the FX series, and is generally a good overclocker).

For Mobo's, your best bet is to check out here, a very good guide on Mobo's.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Good answer Effect, those are both solid boards. Also, I am the proud owner of an Abit Fatal1ty K8N motherboard that overclockes very well, is easy to use, is rock solid, and is very nice looking in my windowed case.
 

Zap

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Fast gaming... just make sure your board has PCIe and get a good video card. As long as the motherboard works properly, I don't think you'd notice ANY difference in gaming from one to another. Video card is where it's at.
 

EPZ Soldier

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Originally posted by: Effect
You should prolly include some more details, ie. whether you intend to overclock, do you need SLI?

If money is no issue, check out DFI. I've heard good things about the Epox 9NPA+Ultra, cheap, stable and good for overclocking. Also, the 3700+ is about as good for gaming as any other A64 CPU, (though it uses the San Diego core, same core as the FX series, and is generally a good overclocker).

For Mobo's, your best bet is to check out here, a very good guide on Mobo's.

I would want a good overclocker and i really dont need SLI .. what vid card would you reccomend 6800gs? please dont say the 7800 series
 

Puffnstuff

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Well if you want to game you need a 7800 series card and since the prices have come down you really shouldn't skimp. As for mb's I run a fatal1ty an8 and have for almost a year now. I also have two other machines running a dfi ultra-d and msi k8n neo4 plat and both do fine as well. The bottom line with mb's is that you have to decide what features you want and find a reputable manufacturer that meats those needs. Not all nf4 mb's have lots of pci slots, something you need to consider if you plan on adding things later on. That was one of the reasons I got the msi in the first place is because of all the pci slots but it didn't work out for my machine so I got the abit. Also do not get cheap memory unless you want trouble. I've got kingston hyper-x pc3200 low latency memory in the other nf4 machines and it does ok at stock speeds but will not oc. The corsair in my machine is not cheap but it will oc easily.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: EPZ Soldier
I would want a good overclocker and i really dont need SLI .. what vid card would you reccomend 6800gs? please dont say the 7800 series
It's better to spend the extra $70 (check hot deals) on video card and just get a cheaper motherboard. The overclock difference between an $80 Chaintech or Epox and a $150 DFI would not even make up for the difference between a $200 6800GS and $270 7800GT for the same $70 difference. Not even close! Also, the "better" overclockable motherboards tend to hit higher HTT speeds, but you are already starting with a high multiplier so there's less reliance on high HTT.
 

Ranulf

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Any recommendations for a system with a 3800X2 chip & 7800GT? I'm looking at ultra chipsets mostly. I'd likely something that can overclock at least decently (I likely won't do much OC tho). I'd prefer something with firewire and a decent amount of usb ports. Sound is not an issue (going xfi, no more integrated for me ).
 

EPZ Soldier

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appreciate the input! I've heard tons of scenarios and it keeps coming back to the vcard first , then memory and finally the board....would you agree?
 

Zap

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Don't know who exactly you are asking this of, but yes I agree. Spending $50-100 extra on a "better" motherboard hoping for better performance is just $50-100 down the drain - at same CPU speeds. Now, there is a case for the "better" board to overclock higher, but it better overclock a LOT higher to be worth that much money difference or you'd be better off just spending that much more money on a faster CPU to begin with.

Memory is the second thing that you should NOT spend money on. Let me clarify - you do need RAM and it shouldn't be some ultra-generico-crap, but it does not need to have shiney heatspreaders or LEDs on it and it does not "need" ultra low latency. Sure, looks are important and low latency does add performance, but is it worth the cost difference?

Let's combine the above two scenarios. It is possible to get an $80 motherboard (heck, even the Abit KN8 is available for around that much) and it is possible to get a $180 motherboard. It is possible to get $150 2GB dual channel kit (G.Skill, among others) and it is possible to get $250 pimped out RAM. What will that extra $200 get you? Well, that's the difference between a 7800GT and a 7800GTX. What will give you higher framerates, the expensive RAM/mobo or the faster video card? That's MORE THAN the difference between an Athlon 64 3200+ and 4000+. What will give you better encoding performance, the expensive RAM/mobo or the faster CPU? BTW that 4000+ CPU is a San Diego core with 1MB cache so even if the cheaper CPU can overclock as high as the faster CPU can overclock, the 4000+ will remain faster at same GHz.

Now, if you have money growing on your tree in your backyard or Bill Gates is your uncle twice removed, then cost may not matter much to you, but if you are like the rest of us mere mortals then you cannot afford the "best" of everything, so you have to make your money count.

It comes down to your budget and what you use your system for.

If you are a gamer then #1 concern is video card followed by CPU, then amount (not speed) of RAM, and last is motherboard.

If you do more production work such as encoding but also game, then #1 concern is CPU speed followed by video card, then RAM and finally motherboard.

If you absolutely do not play 3D games, then video card drops from top two on list down to a tie for last place with motherboard.
 

EPZ Soldier

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Originally posted by: Zap
Don't know who exactly you are asking this of, but yes I agree. Spending $50-100 extra on a "better" motherboard hoping for better performance is just $50-100 down the drain - at same CPU speeds. Now, there is a case for the "better" board to overclock higher, but it better overclock a LOT higher to be worth that much money difference or you'd be better off just spending that much more money on a faster CPU to begin with.

Memory is the second thing that you should NOT spend money on. Let me clarify - you do need RAM and it shouldn't be some ultra-generico-crap, but it does not need to have shiney heatspreaders or LEDs on it and it does not "need" ultra low latency. Sure, looks are important and low latency does add performance, but is it worth the cost difference?

Let's combine the above two scenarios. It is possible to get an $80 motherboard (heck, even the Abit KN8 is available for around that much) and it is possible to get a $180 motherboard. It is possible to get $150 2GB dual channel kit (G.Skill, among others) and it is possible to get $250 pimped out RAM. What will that extra $200 get you? Well, that's the difference between a 7800GT and a 7800GTX. What will give you higher framerates, the expensive RAM/mobo or the faster video card? That's MORE THAN the difference between an Athlon 64 3200+ and 4000+. What will give you better encoding performance, the expensive RAM/mobo or the faster CPU? BTW that 4000+ CPU is a San Diego core with 1MB cache so even if the cheaper CPU can overclock as high as the faster CPU can overclock, the 4000+ will remain faster at same GHz.

Now, if you have money growing on your tree in your backyard or Bill Gates is your uncle twice removed, then cost may not matter much to you, but if you are like the rest of us mere mortals then you cannot afford the "best" of everything, so you have to make your money count.

It comes down to your budget and what you use your system for.

If you are a gamer then #1 concern is video card followed by CPU, then amount (not speed) of RAM, and last is motherboard.

If you do more production work such as encoding but also game, then #1 concern is CPU speed followed by video card, then RAM and finally motherboard.

If you absolutely do not play 3D games, then video card drops from top two on list down to a tie for last place with motherboard.

You have just answered all the ?'s that were driving me nuts! I greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into the response!! Now you solved my greatest concern which now leads me to ask you the next ? if I may ask..my budget allows me 150 for a case with a P/S i'm leaning to the Antec series??

 

Radiohead57

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If it comes right down to the 150 then I'd be awful tempted to spend as much of that on a good power supply and the rest on a cheap case. One thing all new 68 and 7800 series Vid cards need is access to lots of juice. Scope out your mobo decide what you're gonna get and be sure the PS mates well with the board. There are all sorts of good power supplies on the market but its starting to get confuseing becuase of the 20-24pin discrepancies.
 

sodcha0s

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Good advice Radiohead. Good power supplies are becoming more and more important and are a definite must if you're going to be running higher end gear. I'll add this too.... do NOT try to find a case/PS combo and think you're good to go. Decent power supplies just don't come in combos like that, especially at your budget.

BTW I just ordered an Abit KN8 SLI board, passively cooled and SLI for $109!! I'll let you know how it works out, theres not a lot of info on these things at the moment.
 

Radiohead57

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I've seen too many folks go that route only to be foiled when they go to swicth the machine on and find that its completely unstable or won't even post due to lack of power.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: EPZ Soldier
my budget allows me 150 for a case with a P/S i'm leaning to the Antec series??

It is important (as everyone else says) to get a quality power supply. What is not important is how many watts it is rated for as long as there is enough sustained power for your system. Also, contrary to popular belief it is possible to have quality at a reasonable price. That "reasonable price" may not include LED fans or sleeved cables or fancy colors, but I've seen "crappy" power supplies that included those gimmicks.

Antec power supplies (especially TruePower series) are good. Their Neo HE has had some compatibility issues so you may want to avoid those for now. Enermax, Zippy, Fortron all are good quality but low "bling," or so I have heard (never used a Zippy personally).

For someone wanting good + inexpensive, my stock answer is unless you can get a good deal on an Antec TruePower II (often in stores with rebates, I got a 480W at Circuit City for $50 AR) then go with Fortron. One good unit is their FSP400-60GLN model which is reasonably priced and is of good quality and efficiency.

Silent PC Review - FSP Green PS FSP400-60GLN 400W PSU

eWiz $47

I purchased mine from eWiz back when they were $52. Newegg has this same unit for $70 plus $7 shipping so eWiz is much cheaper even if shipping ends up more.

My one sentence "review" of this unit? It is inexpensive, has all the "new" plugs such as 24 pin ATX and 6 pin PCIe and is reasonably quiet (though not the most quiet).

It should have more than enough juice for the fastest CPUs and the fastest single video card, plus a few hard drives, but probably not enough power for high end SLI.

Case-wise, look for 120mm fans.
 

kasia00

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talking about SLI~
1st of all MAKE SURE.. u get A STABLE PSU!

I recently BUILT my system~ AMD 3.7+, Nvidia SLI........ anyways.. I used a Weak PSU so called 500 WATTS my ass~~ by... CODEGEN! Hooly ****** Thank God it didn't Burn my system, simply shut it down... ( yeah u should b wondering why i installed it, well it was Free sample I got) anyways! now i use win550 by HEC .. works well so far..another one from evaluation) BUT Anyways.. make sure u get a good PSU~ (antec, thermaltake, Enermax, HEC) all these I've evaluated and they are pretty stable...
 

kasia00

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talking about SLI~
1st of all MAKE SURE.. u get A STABLE PSU!

I recently BUILT my system~ AMD 3.7+, Nvidia SLI........ anyways.. I used a Weak PSU so called 500 WATTS my ass~~ by... CODEGEN! Hooly ****** Thank God it didn't Burn my system, simply shut it down... ( yeah u should b wondering why i installed it, well it was Free sample I got) anyways! now i use win550 by HEC .. works well so far..another one from evaluation) BUT Anyways.. make sure u get a good PSU~ (antec, thermaltake, Enermax, HEC) all these I've evaluated and they are pretty stable...
 

kasia00

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Well, I recommend take ur time to shop....

COOLMAX 550W $67.99
http://directron.com/cr550b.html

Enermax EG475P-VE-SFMA 470W - $59.99
http://directron.com/eg475p.html

HEC - WIN550 Watts - $62.00
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA22237

HEC - ACE580 Watts - $62.00
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA22240

Antec TruePower 2.0 TP-II 550 550W $75.54
http://www.securemart.com/cgi-bin/future/ANB97693.html?pcode=1


These are all Good DEALS... in my opinion.. for Price.. reputation and SPECS~
 

CP5670

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Cases are really a matter of personal preference, but the Centurion 5 and 532 are excellent overall cases (both are about $50 at Newegg at the moment). For the power supply, the Sparkle 550W is $83 at ewiz, which has unbeatable quality and power for that price.
 
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