Gaming Companies SUCK Now!

Tech_Greek

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/BEGIN_RANT

What happened to the days of good support? What happened to the days of good hardware built to last? I remember my first Logitech G5 mouse that I bought...I sold is this year on eBay after sitting in my closet for years as I played with newer mice...it still sold for $30 and now I know why (and yes, it did indeed still work, I even updated the firmware in an XP Virtual Machine for the buyer).

My brand new fancy Logitech G700s was retired after a measly 4 months of use. The side paint wore off, the receiver randomly disconnected the mouse (and the only way to get it working again was to set the mouse RIGHT next to the receiver as you turned the mouse on with the LGS open), the LGS crashed all the time on a fresh install of Windows 8.1...that software is terrible.

Supports Response: Normal Wear & Tear, No RMA.
My Response: Well, I've been a long time customer purchasing THOUSANDS of dollars worth of Logitech products since my Battlefield 1942 days (from 5.1 surround sounds to keyboards/mice...and probably 30 of the same joystick since they won't fix the design flaw). I'll just go to Razer, as they seem to be doing a better job now since their lack of customer support and quality issues years ago plus their software at least works (90% of the time vs your 30%).
Their Response: Submit a ticket...you want me to submit a ticket, to the ticket I'm having to talk about now? Bye

This is the paint worn on my mouse, that I rarely use and never eat around. I do drink energy drinks of which none are spilled and nor are my hands greasy or wet during gaming...this is very casual gaming as well so maybe an hour a day maybe two some.



Fast forward to this month, get almost $500 worth of Razer purchases (since my Tartarus has held up so well. I purchase the Black Widow Chroma and the Naga Epic Chroma (avoiding warnings from people about Razers PAST support issues) and a MMO Anansi for the lady friend to play with (she already had a Naga Epic). The Anansi cable braiding for whatever reason was too stiff and broke the cable, no big deal except it's on the lighting side and shuts her computer off when it randomly shorts out so I need to get it replaced sooner rather than latter.

This is Razer's wonderful support time...I haven't even spoken to anyone, yet. I'm already ready to chew someone out just for spending hours of my time trying to get in touch with ANYONE...I have a business to run, I lose revenue when fiddling around with this stuff.




It's sad that we have to put up with this as consumers. There's no one that works at these companies that truly cares about anything anymore (and why should they? employer-employee loyalty is limited to small businesses now and even then it's getting more rare by the day).

I had to put up with Comcast AND AT&T taking a month and a half to do an install for a new location for my office and even then it's only because I contacted the Mayor whom contacted them to get them moving. Comcast and AT&T's response? Sorry about that, thanks for being a customer, your bill is due on X date even though your service wasn't installed yet we still billed you anyways!...but wait you still haven't moved my phone number to the new location yet...oh someone will call you about that this week...click...

Rage level over 9000! What can you do about it though? Nothing...do what everyone else does complain about it and then bite your lip as you lack the billions of dollars to bribe...errr legally lobby...politicians into not being corporation's puppets and actually caring about anything going wrong in this country.

/EOL_EOFRANT
 

TidusZ

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I drew a picture to illustrate the problem.



I also drew a picture to represent greed but it was too large to upload to imgur.

The CEOs and major shareholders of companies are towards the top of the money pyramid.

Most people (rich and poor) are eager to defend an incredibly broken system that entirely favors the rich or are too apathetic to give a fuck so expect the trend to continue.
 
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Tech_Greek

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You win the Internet!

Razer just DMed me on Twitter asking if the PICTURE of my wait time on the phone was on the website or on the phone.

I feel like they are just screwing with me now. They can't be that stupid.
 

HeXen

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I'm kinda pissed cause I can't get Logitech's Gaming Software to install in win 8.1. Says not compatible OS but yet works for everyone else it seems. That and the fact that they didn't make the G27 driver for PS4 so it would be compatible, shame cause it's a good wheel.
 

Tech_Greek

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They had a bad link to x64 of windows 8.1 that I'm pretty sure they still haven't fixed. Don't worry, the software is garbage anyways. I had it crash at least once a week in the middle of a game.

Guess those two customized buttons overloaded it or those "high res" graphic options. The auto update never worked either.
 

HeXen

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HA...I fixed my issue. I broke up the .exe into it's internal files. I changed the Setup.ini config file where it says system check number from 7 to 8.1 and it installed just fine. I dunno how anyone else ever got this to install under Win8 without doing that but whatever.

Logitech really needs to update their software a bit. I just want to use this so I can use the DX/X input switch to swap between Xinput or keyboard/mouse mappings. Now I just got to figure out to do away with their warning message when you boot the software with Xinput switch on...it tells you to switch to DX mode if you want to enable profiler....really annoying if you boot the PC directly to Steam and that message pops up.....I'm up for ideas on how to prevent that popup btw.

But yeah, both Razer and Logitech kinda suck. I really never found the gaming keyboards and mice to actually improve my gameplay anyway, they're just good if you like to setup profiles and such.
 

Tech_Greek

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If not Logitech or Razer who is the go to now? I dropped out of hardcore gaming after Ubisoft gave we the modders the shaft after switching development from source to the cry engine.
 
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tential

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I had issues with Logitech but even still, when I RMA'd my speaker system, they took FOREVER to send it back.
So I called their corporate headquarters, got in touch with a VP of customer service (I'm still not even sure how I did that), and she sent me a whole brand new system. Like that.

Didn't even do it through their support services, so I still got my RMA back eventually as well lol.

So ya, customer service can suck, but like everything, you gotta work the system.
 

Tech_Greek

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Corsair can eat a fat one with their software. I love their cases and am a fan boy in that regards but after the NIGHTMARE of corsair link with my h100"i" I'll never buy anything from them again that involves software.

I work these damn systems all day every day, it gets real old real fast. Just exhausted with having to fight everyday to get some decent support.
 

TheSlamma

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Cause everyone wants their stuff cheap and they want it now. How do you lower prices? send it to the lowest bidder who uses the cheapest parts and people know this term but they fight it.. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
 

facetman

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Cause everyone wants their stuff cheap and they want it now. How do you lower prices? send it to the lowest bidder who uses the cheapest parts and people know this term but they fight it.. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.


Wait- so a $75 Razor or Logitech mouse is in the catagory that "you get what you pay for" ?? Well sorry- but that is like buying a BMW and then someone saying well- you did not buy a Maserati - you got what you deserve if you have problems with the BMW. I can understand that thought process if you buy a $40 mouse on sale for $20.
 

TheSlamma

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Wait- so a $75 Razor or Logitech mouse is in the catagory that "you get what you pay for" ?? Well sorry- but that is like buying a BMW and then someone saying well- you did not buy a Maserati - you got what you deserve if you have problems with the BMW. I can understand that thought process if you buy a $40 mouse on sale for $20.
And guess how much our 1 button Apple mice were back before you were born that BTW wasn't made in China
 

ImpulsE69

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Logitechs quality in general has went down over the years. I've went through one after another G500 mice (rarely last a year), but still have old marbles that work just fine and they are going on 10+ years old.
 

tential

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Logitechs quality in general has went down over the years. I've went through one after another G500 mice (rarely last a year), but still have old marbles that work just fine and they are going on 10+ years old.

I wish I had stocked up on MX510's. Those lasted me a LONG LONG Time.
 

crownjules

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I bought a Roccat mouse a year ago and love it. None of this wear and tear garbage and I use it most every day. Software is really slick and never had a problem with it. Don't know about support because I've never had to call!
 

Craig234

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Funny thing, support costs companies a lot. Especially if it's in the US. I'm sure I've cost some companies more than they made on a product by one support call.

One alternative is to go to paid support for questions - like Microsoft has that option - but people really don't like to spend $30 or whatever the price that covers the cost.
 

crownjules

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Funny thing, support costs companies a lot. Especially if it's in the US. I'm sure I've cost some companies more than they made on a product by one support call.

One alternative is to go to paid support for questions - like Microsoft has that option - but people really don't like to spend $30 or whatever the price that covers the cost.

Or on the flip side, if they put up a little more money to make a quality product they'd pay less on the support side. I'm sure their analysts have done out the maths and that's why we experience the former. Companies probably rely on the lethargy of the average consumer to just give up on a dead product and buy another to keep support costs down.
 

Ampersand38

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Corsair can eat a fat one with their software. I love their cases and am a fan boy in that regards but after the NIGHTMARE of corsair link with my h100"i" I'll never buy anything from them again that involves software.

I work these damn systems all day every day, it gets real old real fast. Just exhausted with having to fight everyday to get some decent support.

I haven't found any proprietary software for peripherals to be easy to use. They're all flashy and intuitive. Just spend a day setting it up, load it to the device's onboard memory, and uninstall if possible.
 

tential

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Or on the flip side, if they put up a little more money to make a quality product they'd pay less on the support side. I'm sure their analysts have done out the maths and that's why we experience the former. Companies probably rely on the lethargy of the average consumer to just give up on a dead product and buy another to keep support costs down.

To get my Logitech RMA complete, I spent around 500-600 minutes on the phone.
Most on waits.

Recently I called newegg, waited 40 minutes on hold before just ending and going doing something else

So I do believe that they figure customers will simply just give up waiting on hold.
 

Craig234

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To get my Logitech RMA complete, I spent around 500-600 minutes on the phone.
Most on waits.

Recently I called newegg, waited 40 minutes on hold before just ending and going doing something else

So I do believe that they figure customers will simply just give up waiting on hold.

Thing is, they aren't measured as much on bad wait times. Price and product features the customer can see and compare - durability and wait times, not so much.
 

railven

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I guess I'm still sitting on a leprechaun or something.

I was gifted the G500 (or whatever it's called) and it had that dreaded issue where the left click will start to fail. Called up Support, about 15 minutes just to give my info and got a replacement (G500s - s for superior?) mailed and received by the end of the week.

My G15 is trucking along fine and scored a G19 when they introduced the G19s (or the rebranding of all their hardware for "Gamers" with the new paint scheme, yada) for $75.

Software installed fine, even use a custom LCD app (LCD Host) which in conjunction with MSI AB + HWMON keeps me updated on everything.

I'm eager to try their new software setup that allows you to use an unused cell phone to act as a screen. I just retired my Note 2 so that would make a nifty little screen.

Your misfortune sucks OP. My fiance tried Razor for a hot minute only to hate everything about her newly purchased setup. She only kept the mouse pad.

Like always, YMMV. Hope they at least expedite the replacement mouse.
 

railven

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Rage level over 9000! What can you do about it though? Nothing...do what everyone else does complain about it and then bite your lip as you lack the billions of dollars to bribe...errr legally lobby...politicians into not being corporation's puppets and actually caring about anything going wrong in this country.

/EOL_EOFRANT

Oh, actually about this - I too recently had a mishap with Comcast. I explicitly asked for a new line (from outside into the house) to be run. They sent a service guy, who said I'd need permission from the landlord. Hey I am the landlord. That changed to we don't do that need a different kind of tech, sorry .

Okay, call Comcast demand they cancel the service call fee since guy didn't do jack, but rep sweet talks me into telling me they'll send the right tech. Fine, let's do this. Next guy same spiel.

Call back Comcast, get $40 towards my next bill due to me "missing out work waiting for your reps", got all "fees" removed with a complimentary free cable service since I basically went two weeks without cable.

What I'm saying is, you can bitch. And if you bitch enough you might get something. TMobile tried to do the same thing to me. $250 charges in text messaging? WTF mate, I got unlimited. "Oh you do, sorry about that." "No, no sorry because you essentially forced me to pay or cut my service." "Okay, we'll give you a credit of $50 towards your next bill on top of reimbursing your incorrect charge." "That's right!"
 
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