Gaming CPU

[borisvodofsky]

all i 8 cores will still help a lot in rendering and converting ?

If I said no, would you believe me? :'(

 

[Durvelle27]

If I said no, would you believe me? :'(

no

 

[borisvodofsky]

no

 

[borisvodofsky]

Looking at the overclocked scenario below.

We see that the 2600k is ahead of the 8150 in nearly every benchmark.

The 2500k is within 10%

Please note that 2500k costs $50 less than the 8120


If you buy a 2500k, you'll lose 10% encoding performance, for 90% gain in gaming performance.

If you buy the 2600k, you'll gain nearly 100% in gaming performance against Bulldozer, and also gain 10-20% in encoding performance.

The 2600k has also gone as low as $200, so the price advantage is absolutely there.


If you are sticking to your guns on this one. then Jesus hates you.

Remember these benches were done using CORSAIR H100, which is slightly better than the NHD14 you ordered.

"...holding a successful 4.6GHz overclock at full load was not practical with the cooling that we were using. And the Corsair H100 is no slouch when it comes to cooling, it is in fact a stout unit."

-HARDOCP

"...if you asked me if I will be putting an AMD FX in my next personal system I would probably have to tell you, "No." If I had to build a system for myself tonight, it would have a Intel Core i7-2600K in it. "

-HARDOCP

 

[lehtv]

that was my first choice but being that the 8120 is only $50 it was a better deal especially 8 cores

The $50 would've been better spent on something else since it's a gaming pc

 

[borisvodofsky]

The $50 would've been better spent on something else since it's a gaming pc

You can get a girl to sleep with you for $50.

Shame on anyone who thought about prostitution, because I was implying Movie and curly-fries

Yes, for example, he also could've used the $50 to get the ASUS supa board, one of dem' ROG suckers. OMFG, 5ghz without water, No problem. done deal.

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-MAXIMUS-G...9022091&sr=8-7

Drooooool. I was going to get this board, but I was stuck with the z68 in the bundle cuz I didn't want to drive to microcenter.

 

[Durvelle27]

well i chose what i thought best for me and i love amd products so

 

[Don Karnage]

well i chose it and not really in intel not against them though

You're obviously biased against intel because everyone on this forum has said bulldozer is garbage compared to ivy bridge and you still go out and waste money on it.

A 5ghz 8120 would still get beat down by a 3.4ghz 3570 in gaming. The chips are THAT BAD

 

[borisvodofsky]

You're obviously biased against intel because everyone on this forum has said bulldozer is garbage compared to ivy bridge and you still go out and waste money on it.

A 5ghz 8120 would still get beat down by a 3.4ghz 3570 in gaming. The chips are THAT BAD

Hey Don, We should really turn down the violence here


OP, Really think about staying home on delivery day to reject delivery.

If you can't, it's not the end of the world.:thumbsup:

Remember to turn off thermal throttle when you overclock.

 

[AtenRa]

Please note that 2500k costs $50 less than the 8120

I believe it is the other way around. FX8120 is $50/70 cheaper than 2500K/3570K

FX8120 = $169,99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...961&Tpk=fx8120

2500K = $219,99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072

3570K = $239,99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504

also,

For $50/70 less, you get higher performance in multithreaded apps OC or not.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2241712&highlight=

As for the games,

We all know there are 2-3 games (DX-9) where Intel is faster. But in the majority of the games you will not see more than 5-10% difference between those three CPUs.

Better spend those $50-70 for a better GPU

 

[boxleitnerb]

^ We all know that that is not true.
Latest example:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,888708/Max-Payne-3-PC-Test-mit-Prozessoren/Action-Spiel/Test/

The 8150 cannot maintain 60fps, the 2600K can. Since SMT actually has a performance hit in this game of about 5%, the 2500K can as well.

As he is on a budget, a cheaper CPU is not a bad choice, though. I would have gone for a 1100T or a 965 and overclock them. He will not get better value than that.

 

[AtenRa]

^ We all know that that is not true.
Latest example:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,888708/Max-Payne-3-PC-Test-mit-Prozessoren/Action-Spiel/Test/

The 8150 cannot maintain 60fps, the 2600K can. Since SMT actually has a performance hit in this game of about 5%, the 2500K can as well.

As he is on a budget, a cheaper CPU is not a bad choice, though. I would have gone for a 1100T or a 965 and overclock them. He will not get better value than that.

Are you going to play at 1280x720 having an HD7970 ??

 

[nemesismk2]

The Intel 2500k is an amazing processor for gaming

 

[boxleitnerb]

Are you going to play at 1280x720 having an HD7970 ??

MP3 is a game where more fps are especially beneficial when aiming. I tried to play that game at 40fps, it was not pretty. So if someone chooses settings where the GPU can maintain 60fps, a strong CPU is needed to back that up.

What you need to understand instead of constantly pointing at the lower res as being unrealistic is, that this is just a tool to highlight the CPU performance. From the GPU benchmarks at that site, would you get the information if a particular CPU can maintain 60fps? No, you cannot.

 

[Tempered81]

The best gaming cpus are 2500k, 2600k, 3570k, 3770k, 2700k, 3820k, 3930k and... 3960x if you can afford it.

FX8150, 1100T, and PH2 980 are all inferior and about equal to an i7-920.

2500k/3570k are the best "bang-for-the-buck" chips.

3770k, 2700k, and 3930K are the big boys. 3960X is the supreme cpu. 3820 is the poor mans hexacore.

 

[lehtv]

The Intel 2500k is an amazing processor for gaming

I vote this the most relevant and enlightening post of the week

 

[AtenRa]

MP3 is a game where more fps are especially beneficial when aiming. I tried to play that game at 40fps, it was not pretty. So if someone chooses settings where the GPU can maintain 60fps, a strong CPU is needed to back that up.

What you need to understand instead of constantly pointing at the lower res as being unrealistic is, that this is just a tool to highlight the CPU performance. From the GPU benchmarks at that site, would you get the information if a particular CPU can maintain 60fps? No, you cannot.

And THAT is exactly what im trying to communicate here to all of you. The majority of this forum users (not only) are gaming at 1080p. At that resolution most of the time we are GPU limited. What i want you to show me is if FX8120/50 is bottle necking the HD7970 at 1080p with gaming settings that will provide you 40 to 60fps.

Even if you lower the IQ settings of the game in order to raise the fps to 60fps, most of the time we are still GPU limited at 1080p. If you can maintain 60fps with AA and AF enabled then most of the time we are GPU bound. There are exceptions, not every game is the same but most of today's games are GPU limited.

There is no valuable information gathered from 1280x720 when we playing at 1080p and above. Reviews must start to show us if at 1080p and above CPUs are the limited factor or not.

So, show us if MP3 with HD7970 at 1080p with IQ settings to provide 60fps is CPU bottle necked by the FX8120/50 or any other CPU.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So the argument is Slowdozer is enough for older games? The crap cant even keep up 60fps in 1920*1200 games with everything maxed in old games. Not to talk about minimum FPS that drops below 30FPS.

You really have to hate yourself to buy AMD for gaming these years.

 

[AtenRa]

So the argument is Slowdozer is enough for older games? The crap cant even keep up 60fps in 1920*1200 games with everything maxed in old games. Not to talk about minimum FPS that drops below 30FPS.

Learn to read and dont pout words in my mouth that i have never said.

There are a few (2-3 games) that AMD CPUs are lagging behind even in 1080p. But that is not the general rule. The majority of todays games are GPU limited at 1080p and no matter what CPU you have you will always get the fps your GPU will produce.

It is simple as that

 

[ShintaiDK]

Learn to read and dont pout words in my mouth that i have never said.

There are a few (2-3 games) that AMD CPUs are lagging behind even in 1080p. But that is not the general rule. The majority of todays games are GPU limited at 1080p and no matter what CPU you have you will always get the fps your GPU will produce.

It is simple as that

Thats a big pile of BS. You live in a world of denial.

 

[AtenRa]

@ShintaiDK

I gather you only play Skyrim, then you are fine with a Intel CPU.

For the rest of hundreds of games out there the GPU is the limited factor at 1080p.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Like in Metro 2033 if you dont use a nVidia GPU, but still want physics?

Or are we playing SC2? Better not get too many units on the map! Its just on the borderline to giving up. And this is average FPS. Not minimum FPS.

Its alot of current games and its a huge amount of future games. Bulldozer is the biggest flop there is for gaming.

 

[AtenRa]

I believe we were talking about 1080p and above. Try better next time

 

[ShintaiDK]

The tests was done with a HD6970. Do the math yourself if you add a HD7970.

Keep living in denial while your look at your FX case.

Whats the next argument you gonna present? That people are supposed to play in 5760*1200? Else its unfair to the dulldozer?

 

[boxleitnerb]

And THAT is exactly what im trying to communicate here to all of you. The majority of this forum users (not only) are gaming at 1080p. At that resolution most of the time we are GPU limited. What i want you to show me is if FX8120/50 is bottle necking the HD7970 at 1080p with gaming settings that will provide you 40 to 60fps.

Even if you lower the IQ settings of the game in order to raise the fps to 60fps, most of the time we are still GPU limited at 1080p. If you can maintain 60fps with AA and AF enabled then most of the time we are GPU bound. There are exceptions, not every game is the same but most of today's games are GPU limited.

There is no valuable information gathered from 1280x720 when we playing at 1080p and above. Reviews must start to show us if at 1080p and above CPUs are the limited factor or not.

So, show us if MP3 with HD7970 at 1080p with IQ settings to provide 60fps is CPU bottle necked by the FX8120/50 or any other CPU.

As I've explained countless times before:
Benchmarking games is time consuming. No one tests many different intermediate settings to find out where exactly the one bottleneck ends and the other begins. Furthermore, this transition point is different for all tested configs (that use the same GPU). This is why we have CPU and GPU benchmarks that have to be combined.

As for examples (all below 60fps avg):
Gothic 4: Arcania
Arma 2
Civ 5
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2011/test-amd-bulldozer/42/

Skyrim (especially with ini tweaks)
X3:R, X3:AP (ingame, not the rolling demo). Sinza and large complexes eat CPU power like crazy

Anno 1404
Starcraft 2
Far Cry 2 (action scene)
Shogun 2 (all Total War games basically)
Anno 2070
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2011/amd_fx_8150_bulldozer_3d_spiele/index12.php

The only thing I agree with is that above 60fps the speed difference becomes mostly irrelevant. However, even there are exceptions like fast multiplayer shooters. So much for your 2-3 games, mate. Fact is, if you're serious about gaming, BD is a bad choice. It might be sufficient in some games, but why not choose the product that is equally fast or if push comes to shove significantly faster?
If you are open to upgrading your graphics cards in the future, this is even more important. And for SLI/CF it is a no-brainer, really.

I don't know what issue you have with low res benchmarks without AA/AF. fps will decrease, not increase if you set a higher resolution and add AA/AF. So for example if you have 40fps@800x600 w/o AA/AF with CPU A, you won't have more fps at higher IQ settings. CPU A will never give you more than 40fps in this scenario while CPU B might. Both of which you will not know if the GPU in the test can only provide 35fps. The person with CPU A will decrease graphics settings and get only 40fps. Person B will do the same and get 60fps. Voila.