Gaming mouse MX518 again or?

Betatest

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Hello there, so I have been using my MX518 for over two years and I think the left mouse button is skipping sometimes. I have been looking for a new one, but I am not sure if I should go again for MX518 or look for something else, I was really really happy with the MX518.

G400 looks kinda cool, is it basically the MX518 with different design?

Any suggestions?

Thanks a lot.
 

Athadeus

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Yes, it is the same. I've been tempted to get the G9x when it was on sale for $50 or so, but I still am using 2 mx518s, just bought one 2 months ago. Just make sure you get something close to what you are used to if you game seriously.
 

CFP

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I don't know a single mouse that eclipses the MX518's standard in gaming.
 

Betatest

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I tried one of the razers Lachesis and the grip and overall mouse was weird, also, I had headaches from the mouse clicking, aye, funny D:
 

Cerb

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The G500 is close, but doesn't feel the same (did they widen it for a wireless variant?). So far, nothing has touched the MX518 as an overall package. The G400, is according to Logitech, an update of the MX518, with the same body dimensions, and it even has prediction (generally bad, but if you're used to a MX518, very good).

IMO, get the G400 from a place with a good return policy (hello, Best Buy), and report back here on its ability to replace the venerable MX518.
 

vexingv

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i've been using a G5 laser mouse since 2006; first the one thumb button variant and then the two thumb button variant. i don;t think they still make it, but seems like the G500 has replaced it.

not to thread-jack, but i now need a wireless mouse (been using a M705 temporarily, but not really happy with it): anyone have experience with the G700?
 

Ben90

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I don't know a single mouse that eclipses the MX518's standard in gaming.
The MX518 isn't that great when it comes to low sensitivity gaming. Not terribly bad by any means, its just not great.
 

Cerb

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"The MX518 and Diamondback top the charts. Infact (sic) I was unable to make either of these mice malfunction even at my benchmark top speed of 4.5 m/s. I have put them in at a value of 4.5 m/s for the sake of comparison."
http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=21

Tried and true non-laser tracking. Combine game settings that can reduce precision with prediction, and pixel-level accuracy can be difficult, and tracking can be jerky/jagged (only seems to happen with games that are also on consoles, but is still a reason for more DPI), but there aren't odd behaviors to get used to, like with many higher-end laser tracking sensors (*cough* TwinEye). I don't get why snapping/prediction can't be a toggled feature, though.

IME, G5v1 and G500 have negative acceleration if moved too fast at max DPI, but bumping up the weight helps, if you can stand a heavier mouse (heavier -> lower-G physical acceleration to track). Not bad mice at all, but not like upgrades to the MX518, if you're used to and like the MX518. They also don't feel quite the same, like they are wider, though I have not gone and done any measurements.

The MX518 is not a perfect mouse, but managed to get a good enough balance of features, dimensions, and useful performance metrics, to do a good job of satisfying a very large audience, in a way that other mice can't quite do, and it tracks about the same on practically any surface. I know I'm far from alone in having not been able to find a mouse that was an adequate replacement.

Also, "That’s why we’ve integrated the G400 into the same software used to program the G-Series keyboards and the Logitech G13 Advanced Gameboard – so you can create a macro once and use it on either your G-Series keyboard or your G400 Mouse."
http://blog.logitech.com/2011/06/09/introducing-the-logitech-optical-gaming-mouse-g400-2/
I'm not jumping to buy right now, but that has me sold.
 
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EarthwormJim

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The MX518 isn't that great when it comes to low sensitivity gaming. Not terribly bad by any means, its just not great.

It looks like it's at the top to me. Really the only mice that beat it, won because they were set at higher poling rates (not to mention two are impossible to find new), not something everyone does.
 
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Cerb

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It looks like it's at the top to me. Really the only mice that beat it, won because they were set at higher poling rates (not to mention two are impossible to find new), not something everyone does.
If you read the review, the only mouse to really beat it was the Razer DeathAdder, and only then on the condition that it's comfortable to you. The brown section represents how long it tracked imperfectly, before it started going all screwy, which he couldn't get the MX518 or DeathAdder to do, where he could get every other mouse tested to screw up, eventually. I don't think it's coincidence that both the MX518 and DeathAdder are still very popular mice (bonus points to Razer for generational updates and making a lefty version).
 

EarthwormJim

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If you read the review, the only mouse to really beat it was the Razer DeathAdder, and only then on the condition that it's comfortable to you. The brown section represents how long it tracked imperfectly, before it started going all screwy, which he couldn't get the MX518 or DeathAdder to do, where he could get every other mouse tested to screw up, eventually. I don't think it's coincidence that both the MX518 and DeathAdder are still very popular mice (bonus points to Razer for generational updates and making a lefty version).

I did read the review... It agrees with what I originally said. The person who posted the chart appears to have not read the review.
 

bunnyfubbles

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MX518 = no official higher polling rate and forced line smoothing prediction

also, the DPI buttons are remnants of a previous design where the buttons weren't for changing DPI and thus are ergonomically less than ideal

I don't know a single mouse that eclipses the MX518's standard in gaming.

congrats, you've just established that you know of at least one mouse
 

Cerb

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MX518 = no official higher polling rate and forced line smoothing prediction
I'd prefer changes in both, but nothing indicates that turning off angle snapping is possible on the updated mouse.

also, the DPI buttons are remnants of a previous design where the buttons weren't for changing DPI and thus are ergonomically less than ideal
No doubt about that. I remap that to the side buttons. With the non-setpoint software, I would hope that cycling could be applied to a single button, on the G400, or make it momentary.
 

bunnyfubbles

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yeah, they basically just took the MX518 and updated it the very least they could do

the G400 does have 1000Hz polling but the sensor ultimately isn't any better. Sure its 3600 DPI but that's relatively meaningless for anyone that really knows that more DPI doesn't necessarily give you anything if you're just throwing away counts through lowering sensitivity below 1:1. However it still has prediction/angle-snapping and the new sensor introduces new potential problems such as tracking jitter.
 

Ben90

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I'm not saying that the MX518 isn't a great mouse, I was just responding that to the person saying that he didn't know of any better mice.

Personally I have used a MS IE 3.0 @ 1Khz and could hit the malfunction speed quite easily. Easily enough that it hampered gameplay because I had to artificially lower my turning speed to keep things from completely screwing up.
By the time a MS IE 3.0 @ 1Khz malfunctions, a MX518 has lost perfect control.
 
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