Gaming mouse reviews

kasasdf

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The technology review industry really loves measurements. A new graphics card is tested on multiple resolutions on a ton of different games, most often with different graphics settings as well. Then it's subjected to a set of other measurements such as power consumption and noise, after which the measurements are demonstrated on a jungle of bars and graphs. Most other hardware components are subject to a similar set of tests and measurements.

Not mice however. The reviews generally have at least a few pictures of the mouse and often also of the box it came in. A list of promised features are shown, such as "3.5G Sensor". The review also has pictures of individual buttons and shapes and then a series of screenshots covering every tab on the bundled software. If there are weights or leds or other oddities those are usually very well covered.

As for the actual functionality of the mouse, most review sites state that performance of a mouse is an personal opinion, then they proceed to test the mouse through a very scientific "we gamed for a couple of hours" -method and then state that the gaming mouse xxx is a good gaming mouse.

Here are some examples:

"There are not any real benchmarks for mouse performance nor is there a conclusive way of determining which mouse performs best at a given setting. We used the mouse in a variety of applications from Photoshop to Battlefield 2142 without an issue. In general, gaming was extremely solid and we did not encounter any issues to speak of after a couple of weeks of testing. Overall, the vast majority of gamers will throughly enjoy this mouse."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2286/5

"Mice and other peripherals fall into an interesting category for testing as your opinion on them tends to be very personal, as the mouse or keyboard has to be right for you, beyond having the specifications to do what you want with it. Therefore these reviews can be highly subjective so as always, please make sure to test a mouse for yourself before you buy it.
However with that said, our testing methods involve using the mouse over prolonged gaming and general usage periods to test it's gaming ability, functionality and comfort."
http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/reviews/peripherals/roccat-kone/8

"To test the Razer DeathAdder, Logitech New G5, and the Logitech MX518, I’m going to be testing for speed, comfort, and precision. You may notice that I did these tests already for the MX518 and the new G5, but these tests will be different because I’m using the Razer Mantis “Control” Mouse Pad. This test is not used in conjunction with any games; just me moving them on the mouse pad in different directions and speeds. All of the tests are out of 10; 10 being perfect and 1 being terrible."
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/deathadder/6.htm
He did not explain where the 1-10 number comes from.


Part of these arguments are certainly valid. The shape of the mouse either fits your hand or it does not. The buttons are at good positions for your fingers or they are hard to press or easy to press by mistake. That's because every hand is different.

The most important part of the mouse is the sensor. That is a piece of hardware which CAN be tested. If you go searching there must be a ton of different mechanical devices that produce precise movement. Hook the mouse to that device somehow, or alternatively, move a surface under the mouse. Much like how fans are tested; you don't just state that it's loud, you use a decibel meter.

These are possible tests I came up with:
If we move the mouse in a repeated circle at a steady speed, does the cursor also move in a circle? Does it move on an oval instead? Does it eventually wonder off?

If we make the same sweeping motion multiple times, does the cursor make the same path every time?

Can the sensor actually do the acceleration the box promises?

How is the acceleration of the cursor related to the acceleration of the mouse? How long is the distance traveled by cursor on screen in relation to the acceleration of the mouse when moved a certain distance on a pad?

Does it work evenly on multiple surfaces? Does it work on Roccat Taito -mousepad? Does it work on Ulti-mat Breathe? Does it work on Ulti-mat classic? How about Icemat? How about gaming mousepad brand xxx? How about an uneven surface such as a wooden table?

Can the cursor be affected by holding down some/all buttons while moving the mouse?

There are more tests than I can come up with on the spot. One of the things you certainly should measure is consistency; if you do the same thing twice do you get the same result?

I'm surprised how content the review sites are stating that mice can't be tested and then just leaving it at that. At least try; get a 2nd mousepad if nothing else.
 

kasasdf

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Okay...

Well, to start, do you claw or palm? - We'll go from there.

-muscles|

I use the mouse on my palm, however, that's irrelevant in this context. I'm talking about objective measurements to test the quality of the mouse sensor.

To be honest I'm thinking about getting the R.A.T 7 mouse and associated mousepad, even if nobody's actually tested the sensor properly.
 

busydude

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I use the mouse on my palm, however, that's irrelevant in this context. I'm talking about objective measurements to test the quality of the mouse sensor. To be honest I'm thinking about getting the R.A.T 7 mouse and associated mousepad, even if nobody's actually tested the sensor properly.

PM Rakewell.
 

kasasdf

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I went ahead and googled for a bit; turns out the R.A.T 7 has a Philips twin-laser sensor. It won and award at least:

http://ww6.business-sites.philips.com/lasersensors/about/article-15167.html

"Philips' laser-based twin-eye sensor was chosen on the basis of its innovation, usability and rapid market success."

I'm not too certain however that this guarantees that it works well, they seemed to place a lot of focus on the "innovation".

But anyways, this tread was not supposed to be about specific mice but rather the reviews on them. I'd really love if someone came up with an objective testbench to test the sensors, it is possible. You can test the accuracy of a thermometer, microphone, etc, why couldn't you objectively test a tracking sensor?
 

zagood

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There's was a website a while ago that tested the speed tolerance of laser vs. optical mice, optical coming out on top, but that was like 5 years ago. I'll try to dig it up.
 

kasasdf

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Shamelessly bumping my own thread.

That esreality mousescore 2007 thing was more or less dead on what I was hoping for. Too bad they don't have tests for more modern gaming mice.

At least they proved that you can properly test a mouse sensor; I should start being a jerk / pro-active critic and sending all the mouse review people a link to the esreality article.
 

tweakboy

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www.hammiestudios.com
True ubber people know that Razer makes the best mice. Not cheap plastic buttons getting sweaty and cheap over all build.

Razer Mamba wireless and wired laser 5600DPI pownz,, so does the razer logo and lights.
It is expensive 130 retail you can find for 109 dollars @ amazon....
Razer Lachesis 5600DPI wired laser mouse 70 dollars
 

cixx79

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True ubber people know that Razer makes the best mice. Not cheap plastic buttons getting sweaty and cheap over all build.

Razer Mamba wireless and wired laser 5600DPI pownz,, so does the razer logo and lights.
It is expensive 130 retail you can find for 109 dollars @ amazon....
Razer Lachesis 5600DPI wired laser mouse 70 dollars

Is this a serious post?
 

Ben90

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cixx79 said:
tweakboy said:
True ubber people know that Razer makes the best mice. Not cheap plastic buttons getting sweaty and cheap over all build.

Razer Mamba wireless and wired laser 5600DPI pownz,, so does the razer logo and lights.
It is expensive 130 retail you can find for 109 dollars @ amazon....
Razer Lachesis 5600DPI wired laser mouse 70 dollars
Is this a serious post?
its a serious tweakboy post
 

Rifter

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True ubber people know that Razer makes the best mice. Not cheap plastic buttons getting sweaty and cheap over all build.

Razer Mamba wireless and wired laser 5600DPI pownz,, so does the razer logo and lights.
It is expensive 130 retail you can find for 109 dollars @ amazon....
Razer Lachesis 5600DPI wired laser mouse 70 dollars

Im going to agree with tweakboy, wow i just said that. I love my Razer Lachesis and have gone through many MS and logitec mice over the years and the razers seem to offer good quality and performance for the price. Agree with OP mice reviews do suck, thats why ive gone through so many mice, its pretty much all trial and error.
 

Ben90

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Not all Razer mice are good. The Copperhead is probably the worst gaming mouse ever created. Being 100% serious, I've used highend ball mice that perform better than that piece of crap.
 

Modelworks

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Use a mouse in linux then use the same mouse in windows.
Someone from MS needs to steal the mouse code from linux . Windows way of polling and using the mouse is inferior no matter how m any tweaks you perform, it just doesn't feel as smooth.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Use a mouse in linux then use the same mouse in windows.
Someone from MS needs to steal the mouse code from linux . Windows way of polling and using the mouse is inferior no matter how m any tweaks you perform, it just doesn't feel as smooth.

meh, proper mouse calibration for gaming shouldn't result in smoother mousing, but 1:1 movement with respect to your hand, this can be achieved just fine in Windows
 

Rifter

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Use a mouse in linux then use the same mouse in windows.
Someone from MS needs to steal the mouse code from linux . Windows way of polling and using the mouse is inferior no matter how m any tweaks you perform, it just doesn't feel as smooth.

I will agree with this, i spend 70% of my time in linux and can notice the differnce.
 

Modelworks

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meh, proper mouse calibration for gaming shouldn't result in smoother mousing, but 1:1 movement with respect to your hand, this can be achieved just fine in Windows

Windows requires a lot of tweaking. Even if you turn acceleration off in control panel it isn't off. The polling also runs at lower priority in windows than linux. Linux allows the mouse to basically have direct input while windows puts a 3rd party in the loop between the polling and returning the result.
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1846538
 

Kalessian

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I know people that play games with the built-in windows xp/vista/7 mouse accel and I have no idea how they do it. It's really, really high.

The fact that win7 is touted as a gaming platform but they don't allow you to change the mouse accel without some sort of hack sucks imo. Not to mention to get my WMO to run at 500mhz requires me to disable driver signature enforcement EVERY time I boot up... ugh. I have tried the dseo program and it works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. Too much work.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Windows requires a lot of tweaking. Even if you turn acceleration off in control panel it isn't off. The polling also runs at lower priority in windows than linux. Linux allows the mouse to basically have direct input while windows puts a 3rd party in the loop between the polling and returning the result.
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1846538

If Linux is direct input then your chosen words of smoother mouse is incorrect. You were also dead wrong about "no matter how many tweaks", 1:1 mouse movement is 1:1 mouse movement, which is clearly attainable in Windows, you can't get any better than that without artificial "enhancements" that are purely based on opinion anyways.
 

Rifter

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I know people that play games with the built-in windows xp/vista/7 mouse accel and I have no idea how they do it. It's really, really high.

The fact that win7 is touted as a gaming platform but they don't allow you to change the mouse accel without some sort of hack sucks imo. Not to mention to get my WMO to run at 500mhz requires me to disable driver signature enforcement EVERY time I boot up... ugh. I have tried the dseo program and it works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. Too much work.

I dont know about win7 but you can run vista in "test" mode which will let you run without disabling driver enforcement everytime. I use this test mode so i dont have to do the same thing to run beta Vid card drivers.
 

Ben90

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Am I missing something? I was under the impression that unchecking "Enhance Pointer Precision" removed all acceleration.

There are a few old games that don't completely work like that, but that is more of a programming problem than Windows sucking as a gaming platform.
 
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