Gang rape a bride? All 10 of you shall die...

[KK]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

Extra punishment would be executing their family members.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Mikey

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
I'm confused what you mean by external circumstances. I know in my state if someone breaks into my house I can choose to kill them and have it be legal.

Well to use the breaking and entering case, it could be that they had no intent to threaten me and just happened to run into me at home. However in the moment I cannot afford the time to examine that and must assume the worst. Also, in the moment he/she may see fit to threaten me when they otherwise would not.

It all depends on the individual scenario. That said, I will say that in the moment my actions wouldn't be constrained by legality. I'm pretty sure that would be the last thing on my mind.

People who commit crimes also understand of and are aware of the consequences for their actions. When breaking and entering, they are automatically a threat to the safety to anything inside that house. It is trespassing (indoors) and when it comes to breaking and entering, it could lead to many other worse crimes, such as rape or murder. These criminals also understand that people are capable of defending themselves, and when put in the position to, they WILL defend themselves. Personally, I would shoot to maim, but if it comes to it, then sure, I would blow the intruder's head off. It's better to be safe than sorry. Suffice to say, if you don't want to be in the position to get hurt or killed, don't break into someone's house illegally.

You would shoot to maim or go for a head-shot? Unless you have some pretty nice training I'm not aware of, that's just internet-hero bullshit. Good luck actually doing that in the moment against a moving target. You don't pull out a lethal weapon if you don't intend to use lethal force.

In any case, I'm in complete agreement with your post (aside from the internet hero bullshit). If you'd read my previous posts, you'd know I was talking about after the fact (ie: They robbed my house when no one was there).

In the moment, any real or potential physical threat to anyone close to me will be potentially warned off once and then dealt with by as much force as I can bring, up to and including lethal. No stand-offs, no pathetic attempts at leg shots. Life isn't Hollywood.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

I would love to see what you tune you would be singing if that was your mom, sister, etc that was being gang raped for several hours...

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: geno

The presiding judge is reported to have said that the harsh sentence was needed in order to purge society of the defendants' evil.

AMEN! None of this "live your life out in prison on the taxpayers' dime" shit. I like the way he put it, "purge society" of their evil. Rock the fuck on.

Did you know it costs the state more to sentence someone to death then to imprison them for life?

Do you know why this is? it is because of all the fvcking legal fees the state has to pay for the scumbug piece of shit to file all of his appeals...you stop this bullshit and the amount it costs to fry the asshat goes down considerably...

it is so sad to see how some people here cannot see that some people cannot be contributing members of our society and want to waste tax dollars that could be used for more beneficial purposes instead of housing and feeding some asshat that cannot/does not want to contribute to society.

 

[shortylickens]

Well, this will be a good chance to see if the death sentance really works as a deterrent.
So many at once, and I bet Egypt doesnt screw around with carrying it out.

 

[Cuda1447]

As someone else mentioned in this thread. There are far to many people in this world, absolutely no reason to let evil people like these 10 men live. Get them the fuck out of this world, stat.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: cobalt
Awesome, wish we had the balls (or the law) to do that here in the US.

I wish they would put it on pay-per view...bring back public executions and sell tickets....help offset the cost of incarceration for some of these guys.

Of course once it hit the torrent sites I'm sure the MPAA would be there bitching about copyright.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good riddance. I love hanging as a means of punishment.

If done properly, it's pretty much instant.

That's unfortunate.

Well, at least if it was used in the U.S., you'd have to do it the humane way. If the rope is too short, the person will suffocate. If the rope is too long, there is a chance of decapitation. If it's done correctly, it breaks the neck instantly.

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Well, this will be a good chance to see if the death sentance really works as a deterrent.
So many at once, and I bet Egypt doesnt screw around with carrying it out.

there's no such thing as deterrence of others. It's a myth.

There is, however, personal deterrence. Execute a rapist and I guarantee that he will not rape again.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good riddance. I love hanging as a means of punishment.

If done properly, it's pretty much instant.

That's unfortunate.

Well, at least if it was used in the U.S., you'd have to do it the humane way. If the rope is too short, the person will suffocate. If the rope is too long, there is a chance of decapitation. If it's done correctly, it breaks the neck instantly.

It was usually up to the hangman, you could let them swing and kick their legs for hours or you could do a quick snap

 

[mrrman]

Originally posted by: Crono
I agree with the punishment.

we need these laws in N.A

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Awesome. The world needs more death penalties and less "rehab".

ALOT more.

A lot = 2 words.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser
Awesome. The world needs more death penalties and less "rehab".

ALOT more.

A lot = 2 words.

Actually "a lot" is a variable term and I would guess that most people do not consider two words a lot.

 

[invidia]

Human rights hippies to the RESCUE!!!

No life should be taken, even if it was Hitler's or Osama. They need life sentences, no death/torture.




/end sarcasm

 

[Zebo]

Cut their nuts off & 5 years hard labor.

Death penalty does not fit crime at all since she's still living.

Also set up dangerous precedent whereby "date raper" could be killed after she changed her mind about the night before.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: alkemyst
So CrazyLazy...what punishment would you deal out to a group of 10 that conspired and kidnapped then raped some chick ruining her for pretty much any successful future marriage in her society

Prison for 25 to life.

you realize there is parole...what is the min sentence one should serve?

Anything over 20 or so years makes that person unable to fit back into society usually.

Life without parole sentences are another option. And no parole board would release someone like this back into society. I'm not a judge so I don't know all the various legalese that goes on but the bottom line is you should not kill them.

1st question. How is life without parole any better then the death penalty? We treat jail like a center for reform, however we are basically saying "You can't be reformed, go to a reformation center for the rest of your life". A lifetime of torture is far worse then a couple of minutes of suffering.

While I agree that the death penalty shouldn't be given out lightly, I would argue that any case that results in a "Life without parole" sentence is a case that deserves the death penalty. It is far more humane in almost every way.

(and I really do wonder where you are pulling the "Death sentence is more expensive then life in prison" from, You've said it before, been called out on it before, and never provided backup to the claim. Especially in the case where this is egypt, they literally only need the price of rope to preform the hangings. food for a week will quickly outweigh that cost.)

 

[RichardE]

You know, you guys are right. Death Penalty is too easy. We should make them organ donors. But since organs only have a certain lifespan...keep them alive as we take there organs out until we are done.

Give back to society FTMFW

 

[StageLeft]

wth. I am against capital punishment but at least these hellions won't be up to no good again. One crime, 10 life punishments, fvcking animals.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Cogman

(and I really do wonder where you are pulling the "Death sentence is more expensive then life in prison" from, You've said it before, been called out on it before, and never provided backup to the claim. Especially in the case where this is egypt, they literally only need the price of rope to preform the hangings. food for a week will quickly outweigh that cost.)

In the United States it is more expensive because we have strict standards that need to be adhered to, including a lengthy appeals process.

Life in prison without parole is preferable because in many, many cases the conviction is overturned. Can't bring back a dead person but you can release a man from prison. It allows the justice system to correct itself. In a perfect system your argument would make sense but we don't have that.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: invidia
Human rights hippies to the RESCUE!!!

No life should be taken, even if it was Hitler's or Osama. They need life sentences, no death/torture.




/end sarcasm

People misunderstand the opposition to the death penalty isn't that we don't like killing criminals, it is that we have the humility to understand that "Hey, maybe we got it wrong" and want to be able to correct our mistakes years later when a conviction is overturned. The possibility of the state institutionally murdering an innocent citizen is too appalling for us to consider and not worth the vengeance gained by killing criminals.

 

[CrazyLazy]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: alkemyst
So CrazyLazy...what punishment would you deal out to a group of 10 that conspired and kidnapped then raped some chick ruining her for pretty much any successful future marriage in her society

Prison for 25 to life.

you realize there is parole...what is the min sentence one should serve?

Anything over 20 or so years makes that person unable to fit back into society usually.

Life without parole sentences are another option. And no parole board would release someone like this back into society. I'm not a judge so I don't know all the various legalese that goes on but the bottom line is you should not kill them.

1st question. How is life without parole any better then the death penalty? We treat jail like a center for reform, however we are basically saying "You can't be reformed, go to a reformation center for the rest of your life". A lifetime of torture is far worse then a couple of minutes of suffering.

While I agree that the death penalty shouldn't be given out lightly, I would argue that any case that results in a "Life without parole" sentence is a case that deserves the death penalty. It is far more humane in almost every way.

(and I really do wonder where you are pulling the "Death sentence is more expensive then life in prison" from, You've said it before, been called out on it before, and never provided backup to the claim. Especially in the case where this is egypt, they literally only need the price of rope to preform the hangings. food for a week will quickly outweigh that cost.)

I don't know about Egypt, but here is the evidence for the US: http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

 

[CrazyLazy]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

I would love to see what you tune you would be singing if that was your mom, sister, etc that was being gang raped for several hours...

As I stated, if I ever get gang raped by 10 guys I still wouldn't want to see them executed.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

I would love to see what you tune you would be singing if that was your mom, sister, etc that was being gang raped for several hours...

As I stated, if I ever get gang raped by 10 guys I still wouldn't want to see them executed.

And the fact that you have the audacity to think you would know would want after an experience like that basically invalidates your opinion.

Thankfully I've never been through anything physical (although it's come extremely close), but let's just say my parents (especially my dad) don't really create an environment that's amicable to.. well.. life. I'm literally the reason no physical violence has occurred between them to date (as a physical deterrant), and I could tell plenty of horror stores.

I'm not saying I've been through anything remotely like rape, but I have a good idea of how one thinks after severe emotional trauma. Now I have the luxury of knowing how I'll generally react, but it's taken 8 years of this shit for me to develop it.

Let me spell out a general route for you:
In the moment, after a traumatic event on MY scale, let alone rape, the average person who doesn't know how to deal with it will not think straight. Your instincts will demand retribution and your upper brain will have to fight that, but the upper brain is still recovering from the initial trauma, so it's weakened. The result is, in severe cases, near temporary insanity. Been there and back a couple of times myself.

Even after the fact, the emotions will stick with you for a very long time. May not be as severe, but they'll be there under the surface. In extreme cases this will lapse into PTSD. I have experience with a mild form of that as well.

I could go on, but rest assured with the cocktail above, you have no freaking idea what you would want.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
If that was Iran, they would have stoned the victim. At least Egypt has moved on from that.

it depends on where in iran

 

[CrazyLazy]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

I would love to see what you tune you would be singing if that was your mom, sister, etc that was being gang raped for several hours...

As I stated, if I ever get gang raped by 10 guys I still wouldn't want to see them executed.

And the fact that you have the audacity to think you would know would want after an experience like that basically invalidates your opinion.

Thankfully I've never been through anything physical (although it's come extremely close), but let's just say my parents (especially my dad) don't really create an environment that's amicable to.. well.. life. I'm literally the reason no physical violence has occurred between them to date (as a physical deterrant), and I could tell plenty of horror stores.

I'm not saying I've been through anything remotely like rape, but I have a good idea of how one thinks after severe emotional trauma. Now I have the luxury of knowing how I'll generally react, but it's taken 8 years of this shit for me to develop it.

Let me spell out a general route for you:
In the moment, after a traumatic event on MY scale, let alone rape, the average person who doesn't know how to deal with it will not think straight. Your instincts will demand retribution and your upper brain will have to fight that, but the upper brain is still recovering from the initial trauma, so it's weakened. The result is, in severe cases, near temporary insanity. Been there and back a couple of times myself.

Even after the fact, the emotions will stick with you for a very long time. May not be as severe, but they'll be there under the surface. In extreme cases this will lapse into PTSD. I have experience with a mild form of that as well.

I could go on, but rest assured with the cocktail above, you have no freaking idea what you would want.

So you're saying I can have no idea what I would want in the situation. So if that's true other strangers over the internet somehow know what I would want?