Gang rape a bride? All 10 of you shall die...

[se7en]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy


As I stated, if I ever get gang raped by 10 guys I still wouldn't want to see them executed.

He said your mom, sis ect.

You might like 10 guys but I bet they would not however.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

I would love to see what you tune you would be singing if that was your mom, sister, etc that was being gang raped for several hours...

As I stated, if I ever get gang raped by 10 guys I still wouldn't want to see them executed.

And the fact that you have the audacity to think you would know would want after an experience like that basically invalidates your opinion.

Thankfully I've never been through anything physical (although it's come extremely close), but let's just say my parents (especially my dad) don't really create an environment that's amicable to.. well.. life. I'm literally the reason no physical violence has occurred between them to date (as a physical deterrant), and I could tell plenty of horror stores.

I'm not saying I've been through anything remotely like rape, but I have a good idea of how one thinks after severe emotional trauma. Now I have the luxury of knowing how I'll generally react, but it's taken 8 years of this shit for me to develop it.

Let me spell out a general route for you:
In the moment, after a traumatic event on MY scale, let alone rape, the average person who doesn't know how to deal with it will not think straight. Your instincts will demand retribution and your upper brain will have to fight that, but the upper brain is still recovering from the initial trauma, so it's weakened. The result is, in severe cases, near temporary insanity. Been there and back a couple of times myself.

Even after the fact, the emotions will stick with you for a very long time. May not be as severe, but they'll be there under the surface. In extreme cases this will lapse into PTSD. I have experience with a mild form of that as well.

I could go on, but rest assured with the cocktail above, you have no freaking idea what you would want.

So you're saying I can have no idea what I would want in the situation. So if that's true other strangers over the internet somehow know what I would want?

Did I ever say I knew what you'd want? Re-read my post. I simply explained why you can't know what you'd want.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: BrownTown
it seems like the punishment far exceeds the severity of the crime

I bet if all the internet thugs in this thread gang raped your future wife you'd feel different.

She suffered for hours and will continue to suffer for years. They'll suffer for seconds.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
There is, however, personal deterrence. Execute a rapist and I guarantee that he will not rape again.

win!

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

I don't know about Egypt, but here is the evidence for the US: http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases.

Now really, what does that mean?

It means that when someone is facing the death penalty, there are additional expenses during the trial process that cost millions, which are needed so an innocent person isn't sentenced to death.

There is something a bit funny about that logic though: it implies that for ANY OTHER CASE, innocent people are sent away all the time, because of a lack of these additional expenses. It's okay for an innocent to be sent to prison without parole, but to give him the death penalty is too much? I think BOTH cases are equally bad, and if it costs millions of dollars to handle a death-row case, then we should spend those same millions on every other case- why should the people facing the death penalty get special treatment?


But really, that "evidence" isn't evidence that it's more expensive to kill someone than it is to keep them in prison, it's simply evidence that our justice system is hopelessly messed up and needs to be fixed.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
There is, however, personal deterrence. Execute a rapist and I guarantee that he will not rape again.

win!

:thumbsup: What a great way to put it.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

Death Penalty should be extended to be an option for every crime that has a lifetime lasting effect on an individual and or destroys the fabric of society.

Armed Robbery? Death
Pedophilia? death
Rape? Death
Ponzi scheme that destroys peoples savings? Death
Conman? Death

We don't use it enough.

Ever heard of this thing called the reign of terror? It's been tried.

So in other words you are not against it but afraid it will be abused?

That is reaching a little.

No I can guarantee it would be abused. Your proposal would lead to the US executing tens of thousands of individuals every year. Once you head down that slippery slope where does it stop? Soon execution becomes common place, kid steals some candy with a knife, now he's dead. With our current police force it would be impossible to thoroughly investigate every single armed robbery to the point where you were confident enough they were guilty to kill them. And because the burden of evidence would be so low it would be incredibly easy for a corrupt cop or individual to frame someone and get them executed. This would be exactly like the reign of terror.

Once you head down that slippery slope where does it stop? Soon gang rapes becomes common place, hoodlum rapes a girl, now he goes free. With our current police force it would be impossible to thoroughly prove every single rape to the point where you were confident of guilt of innocence. And because the burden of evidence would be so high it would be incredibly hard for a legitimate officer to help a victim and get them some justice.

This is the reality in many parts of our world.

My this be used against me one day for it is truth, I would regret it to the end of my days, ten fold, with tears in my eyes not only during the act but at the presence of any memory relating to it, but in the presence of such a beast I would wish them serious harm.

The soul is the intangible that allows us to hope, to aspire to something greater than our pointless procreating flesh, and to steal that from someone, to hurt the part of them that is by definition innocent, serves no purpose but to destroy the hope, the life bloodm of man, and I struggle to see why a corporeal punishment of death should ever be off the table.

You are talking about something totally different, and that's finding people guilty of the crime in the first place. That's a separate issue. We are talking about the punishment for that crime her, once a person is found guilty.

For society as a whole what's the difference between throwing someone in prison forever vs. sentencing him/her to death? Either way they won't be able to claim another victim. Execution should only be reserved for cases in which someone died as a result of the crime, because that is the ultimate crime and execution is the ultimate punishment.

I'll admit that I went on quite the emotional tangent there Unfortunately I feel rather strongly about rape and, from the trauma that I have seen, equate it with an emotional death, far worse than a physical one.

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Crono
I agree with the punishment.

Sometimes "barbaric" punishment fits the crime and this is one of them

If we treated our sexual predators this way two things would happen:
1. They'd stop out of fear of punishment
2. Eventually we'd kill them all

Either out come would work for me

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Well, this will be a good chance to see if the death sentance really works as a deterrent.
So many at once, and I bet Egypt doesnt screw around with carrying it out.

I've never heard of a crime commited by someone after the death penalty was carried out on him/her

that's deterrent enough for me

 

[RaistlinZ]

The world just became 10 people less suckier. :thumbsup:

 

[Geekbabe]

For a court in Egypt to hand down the death penalty to 10 guys, the evidence must have been overwhelming clear, convincing and horrific in nature.

Also,this unfortunate young woman is forever ruined in the society she lives in, is her
husband going to stick by her or divorce her and return her to her family to live in shame?

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

A think a few torture victims would disagree with you. If you think death is the worst thing a human can experience, I'm sorry but you're simply naive.

And rapists can kill their victims anyway, and from what I know usually do. Letting the victim live willingly is uncommon at best.

In any case, I don't think you can compare rape and murder. There's a reason they're separate charges under US law. Both are extremely serious, but it's still Apples and Oranges.

Well the rapists in this case did not kill their victim. Most rapes are nothing like this. Having sex with a girl that's drunk is considered rape (obviously not as bad a rape as this one), but setting a precedent where a raping someone is a crime punishable by death is absurd.

I don't disagree that torture would be worse than death. What I meant to say is death is the worst thing the goverment can impose on it's own citizens, the law against cruel and unusual punishment prevents us from torturing people. We can't compare rape in murder, but we can compare the punishments that are used in each.

I would like to think that the silent majority doesn't really support killing rapists, that what we have here is just a case of ethugery. And I hope that is the case, otherwise I fear for the future of our world.

So if a man comes into my house and rapes my future wife/mother/sister/daughter and I'm present, would you object to my killing him? Or should I let him just finish and let the justice system take it's course? :roll:

If you could justifiably kill them in the moment, barring some sort of external circumstances it's perfectly justifiable to kill them later. Within the scope of this crime, a violent and pre-meditated gang-rape, the death penalty is perfectly acceptable IMO.

If you make that argument you would also have to find it acceptable to execute people for burglary and breaking and entering.


And to those who say if it was your mother/daughter/sister that got raped you would have no problem killing them. Let me go on record saying if 10 guys ever rape me personally I would not want them to be executed. No that is not an invitation.

That's very easy to say sitting behind a monitor.

You have absolutely zero perspective as it relates to the victim of rape.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Death sentence for raping someone? I'm no rapist fanboy but the punishment doesn't fit the crime. The death sentence should be awarded for only the most serious crime possible, killing another human being.

Also, a sentence like this sends a bad message for future rapists. Now they can kill their victim, removing a witness in the process, with no fear of any extra punishment. Because once you decide to kill someone, you really can't do anything much worse to them.



EDIT: The number of internet thugs in this thread disturbs me.

They also kidnapped her and broke into her home armed with guns.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Crono
I agree with the punishment.

yeah, what they did was in humane.

 

[jpeyton]

:laugh:

This forum moans and groans regularly when people make threads about how "barbaric" the justice system is in Muslim nations.

Now an Egyptian judge sentences ten people to death for rape (a crime that we typically sentence people to 8 years in prison for), and now you're all ready to welcome our new Muslim overlords.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:laugh:

This forum moans and groans regularly when people make threads about how "barbaric" the justice system is in Muslim nations.

Now an Egyptian judge sentences ten people to death for rape (a crime that we typically sentence people to 8 years in prison for), and now you're all ready to welcome our new Muslim overlords.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Sadly, in many of these cases the victim is the one that suffers under the ruling of the courts.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: cobalt
Awesome, wish we had the balls (or the law) to do that here in the US.

It's been tried I believe. The theory goes that if you provide the death penalty for rape, what would stop someone who is raping another person from killing them? At least then they would leave no witness to point them out.

 

[Hacp]

+1 for justice. Now, if Obama can just send all the wall street executives and Madoff to Guantanamo for some "intensive investigation", the world will be safer.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

why oh why can't we have this here?
crime would go down soooo much.

 

[Tiamat]

Good, justifiable use of the death penalty in my opinion.

 

[CRXican]

why oh why did this thread get bumped

you searching for rape?

 

[Greg04]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BrownTown
Kind of funny though people cheering this on, wonder if they are the same people posting threads about people getting put in jail for being gay, or Jewish etc

FAIL

EPIC lol

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: cobalt
Awesome, wish we had the balls (or the law) to do that here in the US.

It's been tried I believe. The theory goes that if you provide the death penalty for rape, what would stop someone who is raping another person from killing them? At least then they would leave no witness to point them out.

That's quite possible, but what's also possible is that it serves as a deterrent from raping someone also.