GAS PRICES REALLY SUX

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
"Yes, I can.

Label anyone that deals with the Oil Companies as enemies of the Country under the Patriot Act.

Think about it.

They deal with the very Countries that this Country is at the War on Terrer on a daily basis."

Legal is not moral. You need to change w hat you drive to work with-you need to curtail all your energy needs on a scale that you can live with, and you need to understand the EROI (energy returned on energy invested) of this national infrastructure.

You can't even make a cogent proposition D.

Rogo

There are many factors. For example, what explains why the rate that profit has been increasing is not proportional to the rate that production costs are increasing? If the costs were just being passed along as claimed by those of the oil cartel those two things would maintain the same separation and rise together. But they are not.

How is it that oil profits are at records highs while the price continue to rise? That doesn't follow the law of supply and demand now does it? Shouldn't they be selling less at a higher price? How can they be making more money? Demand is decreasing, people are driving less, SUVs are getting less popular, but prices continue to rise?

We are told that there are shortages and lack of supply but when I drive by the main distribution storage tanks here in town I see the tops of the floating lids all the way at the top indicating that they are full while gas prices go over $3/gal and I'm told it's due to high demand and lack of supply stocks.

Also, why is it that lack of supply is grounds for jacking up prices, but a surge and overstock in supply doesn't bring them back down just as fast?

Oil is complicated, convoluted, and corrupt. What little law of supply and demand it follows isn't even the real world market place, it reflects a made up virtual world of fear and speculation, that alone should tell you something.

Why don't we just say gas is $10,000,000 a gallon in fear of the sun blowing up in 5 billion years and causing world wide panic and gas shortages? Long term speculation and fear mongering affects oil prices does it not?

 

[FoBoT]

this must be the nutjob thread

<slowly backs out>

 

[Eos]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
this must be the nutjob thread

<slowly backs out>

*tap tap tap*

 

[Rogodin2]

GoBOT

this must be the nutjob thread

This is actually the "My head is so far up my anus that I can't even think of a world without cheap oil."


As I've said before-I know how much fuel it takes just to harvest your wheat, corn, and soybeans. I know that it's untenenable.

Are you guys really so stupid that you can't do some research for yourselves?

Rogo

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
GoBOT

this must be the nutjob thread

This is actually the "My head is so far up my anus that I can't even think of a world without cheap oil."


As I've said before-I know how much fuel it takes just to harvest your wheat, corn, and soybeans. I know that it's untenenable.

Are you guys really so stupid that you can't do some research for yourselves?

Rogo

No, they just don't care.

Just laugh at them whenever they make a thread bitching about high gas prices...that's what I do. Anything else is a waste of breath. Although, I do, occasionally, waste my breath here on this issue from time to time.

 

[iversonyin]

I love this. This deserve a good bump.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Totally BS. Refineries are at 110% capacity blah blah high demand growing at an ever increasing rate blah blah, we've heard the same story year after year after year. Were they lying to us last year or this year?

I'm all for capitalism and profits and all that, but people who try to fit oil prices to supply and demand alone are full of it because they leave out several key elements which are vital to the free market system and it's ability to function as it should:

Demand for oil is inelastic. People can only change their lifestyles so much before they are already driving the minimal amount possible. People need to drive at one point or another, and they will have to pay whatever the price happens to be. Price can go up, and demand will shrink to some extent, up to some lower limit that will remain static as price continues to rise. (ie: people don't go out anymore but still have to at least drive to work, everyone in the world drives a hybrid but still needs some gas, etc) The alternative of not working is unacceptable. Moving closer to work so you can walk or bike? If you live close enough to work to bike, you weren't driving that much to begin with. Getting up two hours earlier, however, and biking to work for twenty miles is unrealistic, esp for people who actually have more to take with them than their McDonalds cap :laugh:

Lack of competition. In order for free markets to work there must be competition and suitable alternatives to every good and service. All gasoline supplies come from relatively few providers. $2.97 at one pump and $2.96 at the pump down the block is NOT competition. When is the last time you heard of an oil company going out of business due to cutthroat competition? Thats what I thought. Before OPEC, oil providers were cutting each others throats to be competitive. Now they sit on their crown thrones shaking each others hands to hold back production to some target value to keep costs where they want them. If that isn't price fixing, I don't know what is.

Oil prices are set by a arbitrary fake market otherwise known as 'futures' not real market supply and demand. That means the cost of gas might go up to $1,000,000 a gal tomorrow because of scientific evidence showing that the sun will turn into a red giant in 5 billion years and destroy the Earth. :roll:

Driving more 'fuel efficient' cars is not the entire answer either.

LMFAO. If we weren't all driving SUV that does 10 MPG, gas wouldn't be at $3.50 a gal, you think you would be complaining?

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

<---- P&N

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
"Yes, I can.

Label anyone that deals with the Oil Companies as enemies of the Country under the Patriot Act.

Think about it.

They deal with the very Countries that this Country is at the War on Terrer on a daily basis."

Legal is not moral. You need to change w hat you drive to work with-you need to curtail all your energy needs on a scale that you can live with, and you need to understand the EROI (energy returned on energy invested) of this national infrastructure.

You can't even make a cogent proposition D.

Rogo

There are many factors. For example, what explains why the rate that profit has been increasing is not proportional to the rate that production costs are increasing?

If the costs were just being passed along as claimed by those of the oil cartel those two things would maintain the same separation and rise together. But they are not.

How is it that oil profits are at records highs while the price continue to rise?

That doesn't follow the law of supply and demand now does it?

Shouldn't they be selling less at a higher price?

How can they be making more money?

Demand is decreasing, people are driving less, SUVs are getting less popular, but prices continue to rise?

We are told that there are shortages and lack of supply but when I drive by the main distribution storage tanks here in town I see the tops of the floating lids all the way at the top indicating that they are full while gas prices go over $3/gal and I'm told it's due to high demand and lack of supply stocks.

Also, why is it that lack of supply is grounds for jacking up prices, but a surge and overstock in supply doesn't bring them back down just as fast?

Oil is complicated, convoluted, and corrupt.

What little law of supply and demand it follows isn't even the real world market place, it reflects a made up virtual world of fear and speculation, that alone should tell you something.

Why don't we just say gas is $10,000,000 a gallon in fear of the sun blowing up in 5 billion years and causing world wide panic and gas shortages?

Long term speculation and fear mongering affects oil prices does it not?

:thumbsup: :laugh:

 

[czech09]

Stop complaining...!!!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: czech09
Stop complaining...!!!

Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S.
=====================

Strawmans excuse doesn't cut it.

How big is Amsterdam?

How much driving do they need to do?

How far do they have to go?

Apples and Oranges pal.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: exdeath

Totally BS. Refineries are at 110% capacity blah blah high demand growing at an ever increasing rate blah blah, we've heard the same story year after year after year. Were they lying to us last year or this year?

I'm all for capitalism and profits and all that, but people who try to fit oil prices to supply and demand alone are full of it because they leave out several key elements which are vital to the free market system and it's ability to function as it should:

Demand for oil is inelastic. People can only change their lifestyles so much before they are already driving the minimal amount possible. People need to drive at one point or another, and they will have to pay whatever the price happens to be. Price can go up, and demand will shrink to some extent, up to some lower limit that will remain static as price continues to rise. (ie: people don't go out anymore but still have to at least drive to work, everyone in the world drives a hybrid but still needs some gas, etc) The alternative of not working is unacceptable. Moving closer to work so you can walk or bike? If you live close enough to work to bike, you weren't driving that much to begin with. Getting up two hours earlier, however, and biking to work for twenty miles is unrealistic, esp for people who actually have more to take with them than their McDonalds cap :laugh:

Lack of competition. In order for free markets to work there must be competition and suitable alternatives to every good and service. All gasoline supplies come from relatively few providers. $2.97 at one pump and $2.96 at the pump down the block is NOT competition. When is the last time you heard of an oil company going out of business due to cutthroat competition? Thats what I thought. Before OPEC, oil providers were cutting each others throats to be competitive. Now they sit on their crown thrones shaking each others hands to hold back production to some target value to keep costs where they want them. If that isn't price fixing, I don't know what is.

Oil prices are set by a arbitrary fake market otherwise known as 'futures' not real market supply and demand. That means the cost of gas might go up to $1,000,000 a gal tomorrow because of scientific evidence showing that the sun will turn into a red giant in 5 billion years and destroy the Earth. :roll:

Driving more 'fuel efficient' cars is not the entire answer either.

LMFAO. If we weren't all driving SUV that does 10 MPG, gas wouldn't be at $3.50 a gal, you think you would be complaining?

Not complaining, I could care less

For starters I don't have a $400 a month car payment like most people do, so I could spend that much on gas a month and still not be paying a dime more for gas than someone with a car payment who can't afford gas when prices rise

And I plan ahead, don't get into debt (anymore), etc.

I've been allocating gas expenses as a fixed monthly expense since a few years ago when gas first went over $3 a gal.

The people that will be hurt by it are the people that are used to swiping their credit cards, paying with a $10 out of the wallet, etc, and have never really budgeted or thought twice about the cost of gas due to how cheap it has always been, because it was just unallocated pocket change.

All that said, I still don't like wasting money if I don't have to, esp. when some of the determining factors in the price I pay, like cartels, lack of a mom and pop pump down the street refining their own gas for $1.50 a gal in direct competition, etc, are questionable.

Until I see oil producers back stabbing and undercutting each other again like they did before OPEC existed, I'm not buying the 'supply and demand' theory applying to oil.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: czech09
Stop complaining...!!!

Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S.
=====================

How much driving do they need to do?

They need to do the same amount as you. How much driving they choose to do is a different question.

 

[Ronin]

$3.71 for Premium here...~$70 to fill up every 2 weeks (I live 10 miles from work).

Live closer? Not in this town
Scooter? Not in this town

etc....some people just talk out their @ss because they like the smell.

 

[exdeath]

People are so short sighted on the high gas price problem. It's amazing that driving less or buying a gutless green car or reverting to the energy free stone age, are the only obvious solutions that I see keep coming up. I smell hidden agenda.

I'll propose the other types of lifestyle changes you can make to compensate for rising gas prices, namely, make OTHER concessions.

For example, you can still drive your 10 mpg SUV when gas is $8 a gallon, if you chose to. Even if you don't have a lot of money or think you can't afford it. How?

-Just pay the damn thing off and hey look, you have $125 a week more than you can spend on gas, and other things.

-Buy that gas guzzler in cash. The interest alone that you save, would buy you gas for 4 years at $8/gal. You went without it for 5-10 years already right? Is driving your beater for 3 more years really going to hurt? If you got a new job and can afford to go out and finance a new car right away, just pretend to make what your payment would be and save, and you could buy it outright in 3 years and have zero payments, instead of financing for 5 years and not be able to afford gas for it.

-stop eating out as much, hey look, spare gas money without having to drastically change your driving habits or vehicle preferences

-what is more important to you, cable TV or cruising around town in a burbling V8? choices choices choices.

There are limitless ways to stay ahead of the game of rising gas prices while everyone else is trading in their 400 HP cars for 65 HP ones.


Heres the rub: The people proposing that we 'change our lifestyles' to accommodate gas prices would show their true colors responding to this post. Right now they want gas to be $6 a gallon to force people to change their lifestyles so you can 'use less energy' and stop buying gas. That implies trading the SUV in for a hybrid, the ONLY solution they want.

But what if the concessions you make in face of rising gas prices come from elsewhere, as the above examples? Instead of driving less or getting a weaker car, you just cancel your cable TV bill so you can afford the increased price? So that you can still afford that SUV when gas is $6 a gallon? I bet they would get pissed off and say that gas $6 a gallon obviously must not be enough, it should be $12 a gallon, so on and so forth.

Because they aren't trying to do you a favor by suggesting ways to use less gas as the only solution to saving money. Their only concern is being green and getting rid of SUVs :laugh:

 

[dmcowen674]

5-4-2007 Europe, a raccoon and an opossum blamed for high gas prices

Europe, which provides a big chunk of the gasoline imported by the U.S., is switching some of its refineries to diesel, which is becoming the preferred fuel in that market, says Antoine Halff, head of energy research at Fimat, a brokerage firm owned by Societe Generale. Tougher environmental regulations have reduced overall output, and the strong euro has also made importing European gasoline to the U.S. less economical, he adds.

Imports from other countries, such as Venezuela, have also fallen due to refinery problems in those countries. In the first three months of the year, gasoline imports to the U.S. fell 12% compared with the same period last year.

At the same time, a string of refinery outages and maintenance stops in the U.S. drove refining capacity to record lows. Refining capacity in the third week of April was 87.8%, compared with an average of above 90% in the same period between 1994 and 2005, according to the EIA. This is even lower than the 88.2% capacity levels recorded in mid-April last year, when refineries were still recovering from Hurricane Katrina.

Although analysts expect domestic production to increase in coming weeks and somewhat restore inventories before the start of the driving season, even a small mishap can have a huge effect on prices.

Earlier this year, a raccoon and an opossum wandered into two Southern California substations, causing a power-supply disruption that resulted in flaring at one refinery and an outage at another.

"There isn't enough refining capacity, and that is a deliberate business decision," says Judy Dugan, director of research at the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, a nonprofit organization. The oil industry counters that it's more economical to build refineries in rapidly growing markets like Asia than in the U.S.

In the end, it may come down to consumers: Either they'll have to use less gasoline, or they're going to continue to pay a premium.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: exdeath
People are so short sighted on the high gas price problem. It's amazing that driving less or buying a gutless green car or reverting to the energy free stone age, are the only obvious solutions that I see keep coming up. I smell hidden agenda.

I'll propose the other types of lifestyle changes you can make to compensate for rising gas prices, namely, make OTHER concessions.

For example, you can still drive your 10 mpg SUV when gas is $8 a gallon, if you chose to. Even if you don't have a lot of money or think you can't afford it. How?

-Just pay the damn thing off and hey look, you have $125 a week more than you can spend on gas, and other things.

-Buy that gas guzzler in cash. The interest alone that you save, would buy you gas for 4 years at $8/gal. You went without it for 5-10 years already right? Is driving your beater for 3 more years really going to hurt? If you got a new job and can afford to go out and finance a new car right away, just pretend to make what your payment would be and save, and you could buy it outright in 3 years and have zero payments, instead of financing for 5 years and not be able to afford gas for it.

-stop eating out as much, hey look, spare gas money without having to drastically change your driving habits or vehicle preferences

-what is more important to you, cable TV or cruising around town in a burbling V8? choices choices choices.

There are limitless ways to stay ahead of the game of rising gas prices while everyone else is trading in their 400 HP cars for 65 HP ones.


Heres the rub: The people proposing that we 'change our lifestyles' to accommodate gas prices would show their true colors responding to this post. Right now they want gas to be $6 a gallon to force people to change their lifestyles so you can 'use less energy' and stop buying gas. That implies trading the SUV in for a hybrid, the ONLY solution they want.

But what if the concessions you make in face of rising gas prices come from elsewhere, as the above examples? Instead of driving less or getting a weaker car, you just cancel your cable TV bill so you can afford the increased price? So that you can still afford that SUV when gas is $6 a gallon? I bet they would get pissed off and say that gas $6 a gallon obviously must not be enough, it should be $12 a gallon, so on and so forth.

Because they aren't trying to do you a favor by suggesting ways to use less gas as the only solution to saving money. Their only concern is being green and getting rid of SUVs :laugh:

So, what's wrong with that?

If you want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV that's fine with me but don't come bitching to me about high gas prices when it costs you to $100 to fill it up with gas every week.

I don't ride a bike to work because I can't afford to put gas in my car. I ride a bike to work because it's great exercise, I enjoy it and it keeps me in shape. The fact that I'm saving money on gas is just a bonus.

If you create a thread whining about high gas prices you can bet that I'll be in it talking about some of the ways you can get some relief. You can shoot down those ideas all you like, it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion, in the end it's your wallet that will take the hit for the choices you make.

 

[Rogodin2]

in the end it's your wallet that will take the hit for the choices you make.

And the enviornment too JM

Rogo

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

If you want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV that's fine with me but don't come bitching to me about high gas prices when it costs you to $100 to fill it up with gas every week.

I don't ride a bike to work because I can't afford to put gas in my car. I ride a bike to work because it's great exercise, I enjoy it and it keeps me in shape. The fact that I'm saving money on gas is just a bonus.

If you create a thread whining about high gas prices you can bet that I'll be in it talking about some of the ways you can get some relief. You can shoot down those ideas all you like, it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion, in the end it's your wallet that will take the hit for the choices you make.

Well the nice thing is all the SUV commercials are gone.

It's also a trip to watch the gas pump $$$ when an SUV driver pumps up their giant.

Cost my neighbor $100 to fill her Escalade up :laugh:

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

If you want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV that's fine with me but don't come bitching to me about high gas prices when it costs you to $100 to fill it up with gas every week.

I don't ride a bike to work because I can't afford to put gas in my car. I ride a bike to work because it's great exercise, I enjoy it and it keeps me in shape. The fact that I'm saving money on gas is just a bonus.

If you create a thread whining about high gas prices you can bet that I'll be in it talking about some of the ways you can get some relief. You can shoot down those ideas all you like, it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion, in the end it's your wallet that will take the hit for the choices you make.

Well the nice thing is all the SUV commercials are gone.

It's also a trip to watch the gas pump $$$ when an SUV driver pumps up their giant.

Cost my neighbor $100 to fill her Escalade up :laugh:

Heh I don't care for SUVs myself, I never saw what all the hype and fuss is.

I do have a high performance car with a supercharged V8 however, and I know it will be the next thing the haters target when SUVs are all gone. It's big (compared to a compact), it's fast, it's loud, it's scary and aggressive, smells like fuel, rubber, and suede, and it has more than 2 cylinders, so it's the devil.

It's my toy, pure and simple. But I do also have a non high performance car too that I call my beater but it's not really a better. But I'll be honest and say I drive it in order to keep my toy clean, safe, and low mileage, not because gas prices suck. And I do make efforts to conserve energy where it would be wasteful, such as leaving a computer on at the office all weekend, leaving my phone charger plugged in, etc.

But as for that V8 sucking up gas? Its an interest and hobby, just like racing itself is for some people, and they are no more guilty of 'wasting energy and destroying the earth' slinging their 1000+HP gas guzzling cars down the road than anyone on this forum is for using energy for their high powered PCs simply to play games and amuse themselves. Burning energy to play PC games merely for an optional and unnecessary entertainment purpose is no more morally advantageous or environmentally responsibly as someone who chooses to drive a high performance energy demanding vehicle for their own enjoyment.

All the conservation in the world won't hide the fact that the computer you are using uses a certain amount of energy per certain amount of performance demand, and even if you don't have 8800GTX SLI, there is someone with less than you who says yours is too much and you need to cut back, no matter what you have.

I'll complain gas prices are too high because they are, but it's not just the typical knee jerk reaction that 'it's too high because I can't afford it anymore' type of complaint. I'll complain and question rises prices on something whether I can afford it or not

I plan to start riding a bike again just because it's the healthy thing to do, but it won't have anything to do with gas prices or having a V8.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

If you want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV that's fine with me but don't come bitching to me about high gas prices when it costs you to $100 to fill it up with gas every week.

I don't ride a bike to work because I can't afford to put gas in my car. I ride a bike to work because it's great exercise, I enjoy it and it keeps me in shape. The fact that I'm saving money on gas is just a bonus.

If you create a thread whining about high gas prices you can bet that I'll be in it talking about some of the ways you can get some relief. You can shoot down those ideas all you like, it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion, in the end it's your wallet that will take the hit for the choices you make.

Well the nice thing is all the SUV commercials are gone.

It's also a trip to watch the gas pump $$$ when an SUV driver pumps up their giant.

Cost my neighbor $100 to fill her Escalade up :laugh:

Heh I don't care for SUVs myself, I never saw what all the hype and fuss is.

I do have a high performance car with a supercharged V8 however, and I know it will be the next thing the haters target when SUVs are all gone. It's big (compared to a compact), it's fast, it's loud, it's scary and aggressive, smells like fuel, rubber, and suede, and it has more than 2 cylinders, so it's the devil.

It's my toy, pure and simple. But I do also have a non high performance car too that I call my beater but it's not really a better. But I'll be honest and say I drive it in order to keep my toy clean, safe, and low mileage, not because gas prices suck. And I do make efforts to conserve energy where it would be wasteful, such as leaving a computer on at the office all weekend, leaving my phone charger plugged in, etc.

But as for that V8 sucking up gas? Its an interest and hobby, just like racing itself is for some people, and they are no more guilty of 'wasting energy and destroying the earth' slinging their 1000+HP gas guzzling cars down the road than anyone on this forum is for using energy for their high powered PCs simply to play games and amuse themselves. Burning energy to play PC games merely for an optional and unnecessary entertainment purpose is no more morally advantageous or environmentally responsibly as someone who chooses to drive a high performance energy demanding vehicle for their own enjoyment.

All the conservation in the world won't hide the fact that the computer you are using uses a certain amount of energy per certain amount of performance demand, and even if you don't have 8800GTX SLI, there is someone with less than you who says yours is too much and you need to cut back, no matter what you have.

I'll complain gas prices are too high because they are, but it's not just the typical knee jerk reaction that 'it's too high because I can't afford it anymore' type of complaint. I'll complain and question rises prices on something whether I can afford it or not

I plan to start riding a bike again just because it's the healthy thing to do, but it won't have anything to do with gas prices or having a V8.

I like performance cars. I don't have a problem with them because they represent a fairly small percentage of vehicles on the road. My problem with SUVs is that they skirt the some of the federal regulations that cars are subject to because they are classified as a truck. That and the fact that everyone and their brother is driving around in one. They are big, prone to rolling over in an accident (which makes them much more dangerous than a car) and they get horrible mileage. I don't see why people buy these things quite honestly.

It was funny, three women at work were standing around griping about gas prices just yesterday. They all live 30+ miles away from work and one of them drives a Ford Expedition everyday. Will she get rid of it though? Nope...god knows why, she has no children, no pets but she likes the "safe" feeling she gets driving that behemoth. I bet she never checks her tire pressure either...:roll:

Give me a small lightweight car that handles well and I'd be happy. Personally, I'd love to have a Lotus Elise in my garage. It will do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds and out handle pretty much any car on the road. Oh, and it gets 30mpg. I have a son though so a small 2 seater would be totally impractical for me.

My wife and I both have 4 door sedans. I drive a 2003 Nissan Maxima and she drives a 2006 Lexus IS250 (which gets decent mileage-I've seen 32mpg on the freeway in her car). The Maxima isn't very green and doesn't get very good mileage but I don't drive it everyday so that coupled with the fact that I live 10 miles from where I work more than makes up for that IMO. I probably put about 6,000 miles on that car a year and the size of that car really comes in handy when we take trips or have family in from out of town.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

If you want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV that's fine with me but don't come bitching to me about high gas prices when it costs you to $100 to fill it up with gas every week.

I don't ride a bike to work because I can't afford to put gas in my car. I ride a bike to work because it's great exercise, I enjoy it and it keeps me in shape. The fact that I'm saving money on gas is just a bonus.

If you create a thread whining about high gas prices you can bet that I'll be in it talking about some of the ways you can get some relief. You can shoot down those ideas all you like, it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion, in the end it's your wallet that will take the hit for the choices you make.

Well the nice thing is all the SUV commercials are gone.

It's also a trip to watch the gas pump $$$ when an SUV driver pumps up their giant.

Cost my neighbor $100 to fill her Escalade up :laugh:

Heh I don't care for SUVs myself, I never saw what all the hype and fuss is.

I do have a high performance car with a supercharged V8 however, and I know it will be the next thing the haters target when SUVs are all gone. It's big (compared to a compact), it's fast, it's loud, it's scary and aggressive, smells like fuel, rubber, and suede, and it has more than 2 cylinders, so it's the devil.

It's my toy, pure and simple. But I do also have a non high performance car too that I call my beater but it's not really a better. But I'll be honest and say I drive it in order to keep my toy clean, safe, and low mileage, not because gas prices suck. And I do make efforts to conserve energy where it would be wasteful, such as leaving a computer on at the office all weekend, leaving my phone charger plugged in, etc.

But as for that V8 sucking up gas? Its an interest and hobby, just like racing itself is for some people, and they are no more guilty of 'wasting energy and destroying the earth' slinging their 1000+HP gas guzzling cars down the road than anyone on this forum is for using energy for their high powered PCs simply to play games and amuse themselves. Burning energy to play PC games merely for an optional and unnecessary entertainment purpose is no more morally advantageous or environmentally responsibly as someone who chooses to drive a high performance energy demanding vehicle for their own enjoyment.

All the conservation in the world won't hide the fact that the computer you are using uses a certain amount of energy per certain amount of performance demand, and even if you don't have 8800GTX SLI, there is someone with less than you who says yours is too much and you need to cut back, no matter what you have.

I'll complain gas prices are too high because they are, but it's not just the typical knee jerk reaction that 'it's too high because I can't afford it anymore' type of complaint. I'll complain and question rises prices on something whether I can afford it or not

I plan to start riding a bike again just because it's the healthy thing to do, but it won't have anything to do with gas prices or having a V8.

I like performance cars. I don't have a problem with them because they represent a fairly small percentage of vehicles on the road. My problem with SUVs is that they skirt the some of the federal regulations that cars are subject to because they are classified as a truck. That and the fact that everyone and their brother is driving around in one. They are big, prone to rolling over in an accident (which makes them much more dangerous than a car) and they get horrible mileage. I don't see why people buy these things quite honestly.

It was funny, three women at work were standing around griping about gas prices just yesterday. They all live 30+ miles away from work and one of them drives a Ford Expedition everyday. Will she get rid of it though? Nope...god knows why, she has no children, no pets but she likes the "safe" feeling she gets driving that behemoth. I bet she never checks her tire pressure either...:roll:

Give me a small lightweight car that handles well and I'd be happy. Personally, I'd love to have a Lotus Elise in my garage. It will do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds and out handle pretty much any car on the road. Oh, and it gets 30mpg. I have a son though so a small 2 seater would be totally impractical for me.

My wife and I both have 4 door sedans. I drive a 2003 Nissan Maxima and she drives a 2006 Lexus IS250 (which gets decent mileage-I've seen 32mpg on the freeway in her car). The Maxima isn't very green and doesn't get very good mileage but I don't drive it everyday so that coupled with the fact that I live 10 miles from where I work more than makes up for that IMO. I probably put about 6,000 miles on that car a year and the size of that car really comes in handy when we take trips or have family in from out of town.

Because it makes their peepee bigger like my Cobra does

Yeah it's hilarious driving next to some loud lifted SUV with this huge burbling exhaust and you hear it screaming to 6 grand and shifting through 3 gears just to move forward 15 feet because the thing weights 8,000 lbs.

But I wonder what the production numbers are on say a Hummer vs. Civic? I mean for every Hummer there are probably 50 civics on the road putting out 3x as much emissions.

 

[Eos]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

If you want to drive a big gas guzzling SUV that's fine with me but don't come bitching to me about high gas prices when it costs you to $100 to fill it up with gas every week.

I don't ride a bike to work because I can't afford to put gas in my car. I ride a bike to work because it's great exercise, I enjoy it and it keeps me in shape. The fact that I'm saving money on gas is just a bonus.

If you create a thread whining about high gas prices you can bet that I'll be in it talking about some of the ways you can get some relief. You can shoot down those ideas all you like, it's a public forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion, in the end it's your wallet that will take the hit for the choices you make.

Well the nice thing is all the SUV commercials are gone.

It's also a trip to watch the gas pump $$$ when an SUV driver pumps up their giant.

Cost my neighbor $100 to fill her Escalade up :laugh:

Heh I don't care for SUVs myself, I never saw what all the hype and fuss is.

I do have a high performance car with a supercharged V8 however, and I know it will be the next thing the haters target when SUVs are all gone. It's big (compared to a compact), it's fast, it's loud, it's scary and aggressive, smells like fuel, rubber, and suede, and it has more than 2 cylinders, so it's the devil.

It's my toy, pure and simple. But I do also have a non high performance car too that I call my beater but it's not really a better. But I'll be honest and say I drive it in order to keep my toy clean, safe, and low mileage, not because gas prices suck. And I do make efforts to conserve energy where it would be wasteful, such as leaving a computer on at the office all weekend, leaving my phone charger plugged in, etc.

But as for that V8 sucking up gas? Its an interest and hobby, just like racing itself is for some people, and they are no more guilty of 'wasting energy and destroying the earth' slinging their 1000+HP gas guzzling cars down the road than anyone on this forum is for using energy for their high powered PCs simply to play games and amuse themselves. Burning energy to play PC games merely for an optional and unnecessary entertainment purpose is no more morally advantageous or environmentally responsibly as someone who chooses to drive a high performance energy demanding vehicle for their own enjoyment.

All the conservation in the world won't hide the fact that the computer you are using uses a certain amount of energy per certain amount of performance demand, and even if you don't have 8800GTX SLI, there is someone with less than you who says yours is too much and you need to cut back, no matter what you have.

I'll complain gas prices are too high because they are, but it's not just the typical knee jerk reaction that 'it's too high because I can't afford it anymore' type of complaint. I'll complain and question rises prices on something whether I can afford it or not

I plan to start riding a bike again just because it's the healthy thing to do, but it won't have anything to do with gas prices or having a V8.

I like performance cars. I don't have a problem with them because they represent a fairly small percentage of vehicles on the road. My problem with SUVs is that they skirt the some of the federal regulations that cars are subject to because they are classified as a truck. That and the fact that everyone and their brother is driving around in one. They are big, prone to rolling over in an accident (which makes them much more dangerous than a car) and they get horrible mileage. I don't see why people buy these things quite honestly.

It was funny, three women at work were standing around griping about gas prices just yesterday. They all live 30+ miles away from work and one of them drives a Ford Expedition everyday. Will she get rid of it though? Nope...god knows why, she has no children, no pets but she likes the "safe" feeling she gets driving that behemoth. I bet she never checks her tire pressure either...:roll:

Give me a small lightweight car that handles well and I'd be happy. Personally, I'd love to have a Lotus Elise in my garage. It will do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds and out handle pretty much any car on the road. Oh, and it gets 30mpg. I have a son though so a small 2 seater would be totally impractical for me.

My wife and I both have 4 door sedans. I drive a 2003 Nissan Maxima and she drives a 2006 Lexus IS250 (which gets decent mileage-I've seen 32mpg on the freeway in her car). The Maxima isn't very green and doesn't get very good mileage but I don't drive it everyday so that coupled with the fact that I live 10 miles from where I work more than makes up for that IMO. I probably put about 6,000 miles on that car a year and the size of that car really comes in handy when we take trips or have family in from out of town.

Because it makes their peepee bigger like my Cobra does

That's not what your boyfriend told me...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: eos
That's not what your boyfriend told me...

Uh I don't swing that way buddy, and if you do that's your business.

But touche anyway

 

[Eos]

heh

Nice to a sense of humor is still around!