Originally posted by: Rogodin2
He must not live in Virginia Dave.
Some market experts suggest the current challenge is not a shortage of crude oil, but aging refineries with lagging production capacity.
Originally posted by: Injury
WAH WAH WAH
Anyone that's been driving for more than a few months could have told you that gas prices can and probably will spike to new highs at any given point and in only a couple of weeks from steady medium/lows.
It's called planning ahead.
I'll give you a lesson right now:
If you aren't willing to pay $4/gallon, then NOW is a good time to change your lifestyle to match that fact rather than posting threads on ATOT bitching about it.
Bitch all you want, it doesn't change the prices, and most people care less than you do because no matter what they are going to pay whatever the hell it costs.
So the answer to your question, "Have you felt the effect?" No, I haven't. I'm actually moderately surprised that I have about 25 cents to the gallon to spare from my budget to set aside in savings.
Things you can do that don't involve high-dollar adjustments in lifestyle:
-Carpool. Drive to the next closest person's house and ride the rest of the way with them fill their tank once in a while. You'll both be better off.
-Drive to the nearest bus stop and ride the rest of the way. Just because the bust doesn't come near you, doesn't mean you can't go to near the bus.
-Compensate for rising prices by making sacrifies around the home. Use electronics less, use less water, cut your own hair, don't pay someone to cut the grass, stop buying new PC parts every month.
-Look in to working 4 ten hour days instead of 5 Eight hour days. Save yourself the cost of one trip a week. Alternatively, start .5-1 hours early, leave .5-1 hours early to avoid wasting gas while sitting in rush hour traffic.
-Pack a lunch so that you don't waste gas driving to lunch and you'll save the difference in the cost of gas from last year to this year by not throwing money away to burger joints and trendy cafes.
Bottom Line: It's not the prices of gas, it's YOU failing to plan accordingly and adjust your belief that the cost of gas WILL rise and it will happen faster than you think.
Some of us expect better than to be robbed by pump-point.
Originally posted by: holden j caufield
I haven't taken econ in a few years but doesn't this smell of an oligopoly colluding. Hell if samsung and memory chip manufacturers collude so often for hundreds of millions I would think the oil companies are doing the same thing for even more profits. The difference is hardly gong to affect me as I get 30mpg and don't drive much but getting ripped off sucks either way.
You're the only person who can jump from ultra-liberal to ultra-conservative in the same thread, hell on the same page!Bottom line this is America.
We are busting our perverbial asses for the oil as well as losing American soldiers lives for it.
Some of us expect better than to be robbed by pump-point.
Originally posted by: SampSon
Bottom line this is America.
We are busting our perverbial asses for the oil as well as losing American soldiers lives for it.
Some of us expect better than to be robbed by pump-point.
You're the only person who can jump from ultra-liberal to ultra-conservative in the same thread, hell on the same page!
So this is America, so what? Does that mean were entitled to cheap resources? Does being American mean we own the planet?
I really don't understand what you're getting at. Also I don't understand how this line of logic jives with any of your other assertions in other threads. Have you ever been checked out for schizophrenia?
Originally posted by: Roguestar
$3.50 per gallon? 1 gallon = 3.78 litres. So that makes it $0.925 for a litre. Which is 46.25p in £UK. We pay over £1 per litre. So over twice as much as you pay already. Cry more.
Originally posted by: Tiamat
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Tiamat
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Kappo
I have no clue what it costs here in ATL. $3 or so? I dont pay attention.
You buy gas and you don't even know how much you're paying per gallon?
Its probably so high he just swipes the credit card, sheds a tear (if he has any left), and drives away.
I guess I just notice since I always pay in cash.
Paying in cash is always emotional. Paying with card is at most a "shrug, ill worry bout it later"
I find that when I spend with cash only, i spend much less money overall than when I wipe out the debit/credit card.
Ok, I can appreciate that. Now all you have to do is actually make consistant sense when you post. Contradicting ideas and statements provide you with very little ground.Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: SampSon
Bottom line this is America.
We are busting our perverbial asses for the oil as well as losing American soldiers lives for it.
Some of us expect better than to be robbed by pump-point.
You're the only person who can jump from ultra-liberal to ultra-conservative in the same thread, hell on the same page!
So this is America, so what? Does that mean were entitled to cheap resources? Does being American mean we own the planet?
I really don't understand what you're getting at. Also I don't understand how this line of logic jives with any of your other assertions in other threads. Have you ever been checked out for schizophrenia?
Because I am not a label of ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative.
I'm an American and fed up with Red or Blue, ultra-liberal or ultra-conservative and every real American should be fed up with it too.
Sad that caring for your Country is labeled schizophrenia now.
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: iversonyin
I love it. I want to see gas at $4-5 a gallon. I just love it.
why? do you like paying more for your food?
Hes either an all out hippie, or is pissed off that everyone drives something faster than his Geo.
Lets clear something else up while we are at it:
More power does not necessarily mean less efficient.
6.0L engine making 500 HP while a 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. Someone driving a Prius will gasp at 500 HP and assume that its less efficient, yet its making the same horsepower per liter of fuel consumed. Twice the displacement, twice the energy, twice the power output, but thats it. Twice the fuel, but its putting out twice the power and there is someone willing to pay twice the price for gas for that power, so why should someone else care? Do these same people bitch and whine about 3.0 Ghz quad core CPUs and 8800GTX SLI being power hungry and inefficient even though they themselves chose not to buy them? Those people might be consuming excessive power and making it cost prohibitive for the people with K6's to run their PCs! :roll:
"Inefficient gas guzzler" would mean that 6.0L engine is only making 255 HP while the 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. But again, an engine with twice the displacement making twice the power using twice the gas = same efficiency. The emissions are just as clean as a 1.0L engine too.
So all you hippies be honest when you talk about 'gas guzzlers' its not that you want people to have more EFFICIENT cars or cleaner cars, you just want them to have WEAKER cars period. Might as well argue that people with quad core CPUs and 65" TVs are inefficient as well because having twice the cores consumes twice the power.
Once again it's all about envy and 'omg someone else has more than me and I can't afford to keep up with the Jones' so it should be banned so they can't have it either' :roll:
Now the weight issue... I have no idea why a truck with two seats has to weigh 8,000 lbs. I always thought MY car was heavy at 3,600 lbs but damn... seems every new car is over 4,000 lbs minimum now. I could add 12 TVs and 10 amps and speakers to my car and still not even come close to what some of these new cars weigh bare stock, so where are they hiding the lead bricks?
I believe his point is those who made the choice to drive gas guzzlers are now paying more at the pump. I know my next car will definitely be something that gets high 20's or better in the city and high 30's or better on the highway.
BTW - 25 MPG is not anything to brag about and it's especially nothing when the city mileage is much much worse. What do you do with 700 HP anyway? I used to have a 70 Nova SS with a built small block (355). I picked up a beater Chevette to drive because the Nova's mileage sucked so bad.
I have a Camry that I drive when I don't want to pay for gas, or more often than not as the case may be, when I don't want to worry about my Cobra getting dinged or dirty (such as during the construction around my workplace streets). The Cobra is my fun car, and a hobby, that I drive when I'm tired of being picked on in the Camry, which is at least once a week. 80% of my daily drive is highway, and all the places I commute are no more than 2 major lights away from the freeway, so I don't concern myself with city mileage. I actual drive as little as possible simply because I'm lazy and don't like being around people, regardless of gas prices or mileage.
25MPG is nothing not brag about, you know that, I know that. But consider some seaweed and tofu eating liberal who might say that a 166 HP Honda Accord is automatically "more responsible" than a 500 HP Viper... the Viper gets 12 MPG while the Accord gets 26 MPG.
Now tell them you can have a car with 500+ HP that also gets similar mileage to the Accord at 25 MPG and suddenly it's not good enough for them, it's inefficient and irresponsible because it's not a 166 HP Accord doing it. Give them a Viper that gets 26 MPG like the Accord but still gets 500 HP and they won't be happy, they will say something like 'well then if the Viper only had 166 HP with that engine it could get 50 mpg!' Give them a Prius with the same 60 MPG but 400 HP and they will say 400 HP is too much, you should tune it down so you get 85 HP but 90 MPG! No. I want horsepower too. They don't just want efficiency, they just don't want anybody having more powerful cars than they think they should be allowed to have. Like I said, when you hear 'more efficient car' you might as well replace it with 'weaker car' because thats really what they want. They'd get rid of all cars period and have everyone walking around in earth friendly sandals made of seaweed if they could get away with it.
It's not about horsepower and gas mileage to those people, it's about someone else being able to have something better than them or something that is too aggressive for THEIR tastes, so they seek to make those things prohibitive to others to make themselves feel good. Another front in the pussification of America: "Vipers are mean and nasty and scary and I don't like them, so I hope gas prices go up so nobody can afford to have them, then I don't have to worry about them making my hair stand up in my rear view!" :roll: I can't wait until liberals propose banning testosterone.
They think high gas prices will punish people who have better cars than them, but really they forget that the people that can afford such cars to begin with, except for posers living beyond their means, don't really care about gas prices. I'll bitch that gas prices are higher than they should be for no reason other than oil cartels, oligopolies, corruption, and the BS that is "futures", but I'm not going to be driving a Geo Metro any time soon. I'm going to drive what I drive, but that doesn't mean I'm happy paying more for gas than I need to just because some asshole like Chavez says I should.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Maybe some of us would just like to see some attempt at conservation and a few less giant SUVs on the road hauling one person's fat ass around instead of the constant whining about high gas prices.
Guess what, if demand is lower then prices will drop.
Originally posted by: tealk
I have a VW diesel and I have to tell you....I love it.....48-50mpg on the Hwy, and about 36-38mpg in city....LOVE IT!