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Rogodin2

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Jul 2, 2003
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When diesel is $6.00pg your loaf of bread at safeway will be $7.00 if there is any on the shelf. The sky isn't falling, but we're in for some rough years.

"The Great Depression which began in late 1929 and lasted for about a decade was the worst economic downturn in U.S. history, and one which spread to virtually all of the industrialized world. The coming Grand Depression will be no less far-reaching. The "roaring twenties" was an era when our country prospered tremendously, much like we have done over the last few years. And, like then, it was all due to wild speculation and inflated assets. In the 1920's, the U.S. came to rely upon two things in order for the economy to remain on an even keel: credit sales, and luxury spending and investment from the rich. Same thing today. Our consumer spending is not funded by an increase in income wages, but by an illusionary equity in our homes. In other words, all the inflation has gone into real estate prices. Prices have reached levels that make no sense in terms of traditional patterns and rules of thumb for valuation. A range of evidence suggests that at the market peak in September 1929, something like forty percent of stock market values were pure air: prices above fundamental values for no reason other than that a wide cross-section of investors thought that the stock market would go up because it had gone up. Now, real estate investors think the same thing of the housing market.

In particular, the FED's efforts to lower interest rates have caused an asset bubble to form around real estate. People tend to over-invest when interest rates are low and when interest rates are raised to stave off the inevitable inflation, the bubble pops. That process is under way as I write this. Throughout the years preceding the Stock Market crash of 1929, the Fed did just that. The Fed set below market interest rates and low reserve requirements that all favored easy credit. The money supply actual increased by about 60% during this time. The phrase "buying on margin" entered the American vocabulary at this time as more and more Americans over-extended themselves to take advantage of the soaring stock market. Today, it is the housing market, and to some extent the stock market again. It was in 1929 that the Fed realized that it could not sustain its current policy. When it started to raise interest rates, the whole house of cards collapsed. The FED is starting to raise interest rates now for the same reason--to cool off consumer spending/speculation and reel in the trade deficit. " MQ

Rogo
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Hey hey, at least let my "Drive for Five" shirts make some money first.

Why do want gas prices to rise dm?

Two things.

First: We got a wake up call in 1973 to get our asses off of oil and we didn't.

Second: Gas mpg should've continued to go up when cars hit 50 mpg around 1978 but no it went down and we crank out giant SUV's and 300+ hp cars that get 10mpg

We're getting what we deserve and deserve to be screwed a whole lot more actually,

Gas should've jumped to $10 a gallon when it went from $35 barrel to $65 a barrel.
 

Rogodin2

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Jul 2, 2003
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"Two things.

First: We got a wake up call in 1973 to get our asses off of oil and we didn't.

Second: Gas mpg should've continued to go up when cars hit 50 mpg around 1978 but no it went down and we crank out giant SUV's and 300+ hp cars that get 10mpg

We're getting what we deserve and deserve to be screwed a whole lot more actually,

Gas should've jumped to $10 a gallon when it went from $35 barrel to $65 a barrel."

Then why are you driving so much?

Rogo
 

Coldkilla

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Oct 7, 2004
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Near Yosemite National Park: 4.15/gal.

Some of you people are just so damned ignorantly stupid. Some people have to drive. Unlike you with your busses that will take you anywhere.. some people don't have the luxury. Unbelievable.... "So drive less".. Cmon...
 

Injury

Lifer
Jul 19, 2004
13,066
2
0
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line this is America.

We are busting our perverbial asses for the oil as well as losing American soldiers lives for it.

Some of us expect better than to be robbed by pump-point.


That's a pretty asinine comment.

I mean, you act like there are no other choices and that you can't find out the price of gas before leaving home... let alone seeing it on the signs from half a mile away.

Why did you think that gas prices were going to be cheap forever?

The only thing we are busting our perverbial asses on is being too stubborn to change our ways in favor of our flashy cars and big homes that require a lot of driving to get to work. The blame lies in the American people. At least moreso than the oil companies.

Oh yes we should live in mud huts and walk around bare foot again, that will fix everything. If we live like a third world country, we will have the non existent energy demands of a third world country, *gasp* you're a genius! :roll:

Yeah, I'm really suggesting we should go back to the stone ages. you stupid bastard. Now let's highlight random things to prove nothing.

The point you are so clearly missing is that we will buy $25,000 cars because they look good and have plenty of cupholders, moon/sun roofs, power everything and asswarmers, but we're too stupid to realize the atrocity of the situation when gas prices rise a little bit. We all want houses with plenty of space between our neighbors and lots of spare rooms to house all of the ****** we don't need, but we get pissed when we get the bill for cooling/heating. How does that ****** imply that we should live in mud huts ? Unlike you, I had a a clue when making a post, so don't try to imply that I don't. I'm not the one bitching about gas and energy prices without taking a step back and taking a look at what I can do about it instead of just assuming that I shouldn't do anything but still be paying less..

I don't care about cup holders and DVD screens in my car, I prefer not to have them at all. I just want four wheels, something that looks nice, and lots and lots of horsepower. I willingly pay for that horsepower.

I don't get pissed that I have to pay more for gas than someone who drives a Prius, that much is obvious. I do question however that both I AND the Prius owner have to pay more, period, and we are lied to that the problem is a simple as 'supply and demand' when it isn't.

Gas doesn't cost what it costs because my car has a V8, it costs what it does because it's based on a fake market of arbitrary speculation and controlled by a cartel that lacks competition in a market of inelastic demand.

My point was, how far back do you want to go? Ok so 8 DVD players is excessive and we don't need them in our cars (completely agree here, I think it's stupid myself). Gas prices go to $5 a gal. We get rid of SUVs and make cars lighter and more efficient. Gas prices go to $10 a gal. We get rid of power this, power that, and make cars weigh 1000 lbs and get 75 mpg. Gas is now $15 a gal. Keep making sacrifices and we still have the problem.

Next logical step is not driving at all. The reason going back that far seems absurd and doesn't make sense to you, is that you sincerely believe that going back just that little bit and stopping there is enough to magically solve the problem once and for all. You don't accept the possibility that maybe advances in luxury and available technology are not the sole contributor to rising gas prices.

But once the immediacy of the problem goes away only to catch up and creep back again later, whats the next step? The same thing you propose now, that we must change our lifestyles again and eliminate something else. Change out lifestyles even more, that will solve the problem, right? 50 years from now we all live in 500 sqft houses and everyone in the world carpools in their Prius, but gas prices are still rising past $50 a gal. What is your solution? Likely the same thing it is right now; that we need to cut back and live more responsibly by making changes in our lifestyle.... yet again.

Just like in the 50s when big block muscle cars where getting 8 MPG we had to be more responsible. Today someone tells me my supercharged V8 Cobra is irresponsible even though I can get 25 mpg. What happens when we reach the pinnacle of how much of the limited energy we can most efficiently extract out of a gallon of gasoline and we can no longer attain higher MPG? We've been running out of gas and facing global warming for the last 50 years and cars have gotten more and more efficient since then, yet the problem, for some reason, hasn't gone away. Shock and awe I know. See where I am going now?

So we keeping making these changes, we go back on the last 10 years of advancement in technology and society in order to be more responsible. We feel good temporarily, but the problems keep coming back and gas prices keep going up.

How far back do you want to go?

Thus, my reasoning: give up all luxury and convenience and lets cut to the chase: no cars at all and we live in mud huts that require no heating or cooling. That is the only real long term solution.

Many problems in the world are PEOPLE, PERIOD, and unless we start proposing eliminating mass numbers of human population, problems such as increasing energy demands and CO2 emissions are always going to be with us, even if we are all burning logs to stay warm.

You just think if everyone drives a Prius that suddenly global warming will go away and gas prices will fall under $1 a gallon. And if those things don't happen, then what? The Prius is too luxurious and a gaz guzzler?

I can't believe you wasted so much of your life typing complete JUNK falling on the fallacy of slippery slope and assuming what I was thinking. I'm not saying gas prices are going to go down. I'm saying the total opposite. They AREN'T going to go down. My whole point is that people need to GET OVER IT or change their lives. Don't wanna change? FINE, do some better budgeting to factor in rising gas prices. You are making absurd suggestions of what seems like genocide and living like primitive people. Where do you get off blowing things this far out of proportion? Quit making ****** up because you can't prove a single bit of that is going to happen that way. We could break ground on an alternate fuel in the next week. So why don't you step down from your futuristic soap box of assumptions.
 
Apr 17, 2003
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Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Bottom line this is America.

We are busting our perverbial asses for the oil as well as losing American soldiers lives for it.

Some of us expect better than to be robbed by pump-point.


That's a pretty asinine comment.

I mean, you act like there are no other choices and that you can't find out the price of gas before leaving home... let alone seeing it on the signs from half a mile away.

Why did you think that gas prices were going to be cheap forever?

The only thing we are busting our perverbial asses on is being too stubborn to change our ways in favor of our flashy cars and big homes that require a lot of driving to get to work. The blame lies in the American people. At least moreso than the oil companies.

Oh yes we should live in mud huts and walk around bare foot again, that will fix everything. If we live like a third world country, we will have the non existent energy demands of a third world country, *gasp* you're a genius! :roll:

Yeah, I'm really suggesting we should go back to the stone ages. you stupid bastard. Now let's highlight random things to prove nothing.

The point you are so clearly missing is that we will buy $25,000 cars because they look good and have plenty of cupholders, moon/sun roofs, power everything and asswarmers, but we're too stupid to realize the atrocity of the situation when gas prices rise a little bit. We all want houses with plenty of space between our neighbors and lots of spare rooms to house all of the ****** we don't need, but we get pissed when we get the bill for cooling/heating. How does that ****** imply that we should live in mud huts ? Unlike you, I had a a clue when making a post, so don't try to imply that I don't. I'm not the one bitching about gas and energy prices without taking a step back and taking a look at what I can do about it instead of just assuming that I shouldn't do anything but still be paying less..

I don't care about cup holders and DVD screens in my car, I prefer not to have them at all. I just want four wheels, something that looks nice, and lots and lots of horsepower. I willingly pay for that horsepower.

I don't get pissed that I have to pay more for gas than someone who drives a Prius, that much is obvious. I do question however that both I AND the Prius owner have to pay more, period, and we are lied to that the problem is a simple as 'supply and demand' when it isn't.

Gas doesn't cost what it costs because my car has a V8, it costs what it does because it's based on a fake market of arbitrary speculation and controlled by a cartel that lacks competition in a market of inelastic demand.

My point was, how far back do you want to go? Ok so 8 DVD players is excessive and we don't need them in our cars (completely agree here, I think it's stupid myself). Gas prices go to $5 a gal. We get rid of SUVs and make cars lighter and more efficient. Gas prices go to $10 a gal. We get rid of power this, power that, and make cars weigh 1000 lbs and get 75 mpg. Gas is now $15 a gal. Keep making sacrifices and we still have the problem.

Next logical step is not driving at all. The reason going back that far seems absurd and doesn't make sense to you, is that you sincerely believe that going back just that little bit and stopping there is enough to magically solve the problem once and for all. You don't accept the possibility that maybe advances in luxury and available technology are not the sole contributor to rising gas prices.

But once the immediacy of the problem goes away only to catch up and creep back again later, whats the next step? The same thing you propose now, that we must change our lifestyles again and eliminate something else. Change out lifestyles even more, that will solve the problem, right? 50 years from now we all live in 500 sqft houses and everyone in the world carpools in their Prius, but gas prices are still rising past $50 a gal. What is your solution? Likely the same thing it is right now; that we need to cut back and live more responsibly by making changes in our lifestyle.... yet again.

Just like in the 50s when big block muscle cars where getting 8 MPG we had to be more responsible. Today someone tells me my supercharged V8 Cobra is irresponsible even though I can get 25 mpg. What happens when we reach the pinnacle of how much of the limited energy we can most efficiently extract out of a gallon of gasoline and we can no longer attain higher MPG? We've been running out of gas and facing global warming for the last 50 years and cars have gotten more and more efficient since then, yet the problem, for some reason, hasn't gone away. Shock and awe I know. See where I am going now?

So we keeping making these changes, we go back on the last 10 years of advancement in technology and society in order to be more responsible. We feel good temporarily, but the problems keep coming back and gas prices keep going up.

How far back do you want to go?

Thus, my reasoning: give up all luxury and convenience and lets cut to the chase: no cars at all and we live in mud huts that require no heating or cooling. That is the only real long term solution.

Many problems in the world are PEOPLE, PERIOD, and unless we start proposing eliminating mass numbers of human population, problems such as increasing energy demands and CO2 emissions are always going to be with us, even if we are all burning logs to stay warm.

You just think if everyone drives a Prius that suddenly global warming will go away and gas prices will fall under $1 a gallon. And if those things don't happen, then what? The Prius is too luxurious and a gaz guzzler?

I can't believe you wasted so much of your life typing complete JUNK falling on the fallacy of slippery slope and assuming what I was thinking. I'm not saying gas prices are going to go down. I'm saying the total opposite. They AREN'T going to go down. My whole point is that people need to GET OVER IT or change their lives. Don't wanna change? FINE, do some better budgeting to factor in rising gas prices. You are making absurd suggestions of what seems like genocide and living like primitive people. Where do you get off blowing things this far out of proportion? Quit making ****** up because you can't prove a single bit of that is going to happen that way. We could break ground on an alternate fuel in the next week. So why don't you step down from your futuristic soap box of assumptions.

Injury, I agree with your "GET OVER IT or change their lives" position, but only to a certain extent. I would get over paying so much at the put IF AND ONLY IF I can be assured that big oil isn't involved in any anti-trust violation.
 

sindows

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Dec 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Rudee
Home office with zero commuting costs FTW!

But you are still exhaling CO2, running heating and cooling, and taking a dump and using too much toilet paper. Be more responsible and breath less!

Eat two times a day instead of three, then you'll have to wipe less too! Save the trees!

Don't wipe at all, use water
 

Rogodin2

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Jul 2, 2003
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Some of you people are just so damned ignorantly stupid. Some people have to drive. Unlike you with your busses that will take you anywhere.. some people don't have the luxury. Unbelievable.... "So drive less".. Cmon...

I don't have the luxury to drive less, but I'm making a change to a motorcycle so that I don't burn as much as I do now. I drive a car that gets 31mpg average (mostly highway). I also only drive when I need to.

Rogo
 

Eos

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Jun 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: FoBoT
it is nice that gasoline is so affordable

when are the mods going to make the new gas prices forum?

*tap tap tap*
 

giantpinkbunnyhead

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Dec 7, 2005
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Hmm, I filled up today at $2.52/gallon. *shrugs*


But elsewhere in Alaska, especially in the Bush villages where there is no road access and all gas must be flown in, they're paying well over $6/g. They get a double whammy... not only is the gas itself expensive; the gas used to fly the plane carring their gas to them, is also expensive.
 

bwcc

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Yes, the price of gasoline "sux". It has "sucked" for years prior and will continue to for years to come. Nothing is being done about it - it's not even on the news anymore. When $3/gal came about for the first time, it was ALL over the news. Now? Not even a peep.

I think the discussion should be more about what can we can do about it rather than just talking about it. And, I'm sorry, but "driving less" isn't doing anything about it.... Driving is a 'privilege', but for a great number of us, also a necessity.

Can anyone come up with 'legal' avenues of obtaining relief from these gasoline prices?
 

Rogodin2

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Jul 2, 2003
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Can anyone come up with 'legal' avenues of obtaining relief from these gasoline prices?

You guys actually think that global oil output has nothing to do with pump prices?

Oil is a finite resource-we've burned over 50% of the reserves in 100 years.

Have we burned it well? No.

Most of you that post are wankers. Thank got some of you listen and know already.

Over the past week, I have noticed two or more out-of-gas pumps at every gas station I have hit here in Charlottesville, Virginia(which is quite a bit, as I am currently rotating my supply).
PO.COM

This was before Iowa.

Rogo
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,472
867
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Originally posted by: bwcc
Yes, the price of gasoline "sux". It has "sucked" for years prior and will continue to for years to come. Nothing is being done about it - it's not even on the news anymore. When $3/gal came about for the first time, it was ALL over the news. Now? Not even a peep.

I think the discussion should be more about what can we can do about it rather than just talking about it. And, I'm sorry, but "driving less" isn't doing anything about it.... Driving is a 'privilege', but for a great number of us, also a necessity.

Can anyone come up with 'legal' avenues of obtaining relief from these gasoline prices?

Maybe you could alter your lifestyle? Perhaps?

You could try car pooling or riding your bike...just a thought.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,472
867
126
Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
Hmm, I filled up today at $2.52/gallon. *shrugs*

But elsewhere in Alaska, especially in the Bush villages where there is no road access and all gas must be flown in, they're paying well over $6/g. They get a double whammy... not only is the gas itself expensive; the gas used to fly the plane carring their gas to them, is also expensive.

Welcome to the future.
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: bwcc
Yes, the price of gasoline "sux". It has "sucked" for years prior and will continue to for years to come. Nothing is being done about it - it's not even on the news anymore. When $3/gal came about for the first time, it was ALL over the news. Now? Not even a peep.

I think the discussion should be more about what can we can do about it rather than just talking about it. And, I'm sorry, but "driving less" isn't doing anything about it.... Driving is a 'privilege', but for a great number of us, also a necessity.

Can anyone come up with 'legal' avenues of obtaining relief from these gasoline prices?

Ride a motorcycle, carpool, or bike. Once they invent a decent alternative transportation solution, use that. Those are your options. Gas isn't going to get any cheaper unless technology changes drastically.
 

Rogodin2

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Jul 2, 2003
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Maybe you could alter your lifestyle? Perhaps?

That's not going to happen JM.

Most of the people on this forum are SHEEPLE.

They enjoyed the matrix, but didn't realize that instead of being a battery they'd be dead

I won't combine the wheat for their bread and the corn for their ethanol for less than $2000 an hour.

My xwife got scared when she'd come out to the vast wheat fields to pick me up after work. She never felt comfortable on the earth.

I know only a few of you can understand what I've seen and react to.

Rogo
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,894
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91
www.alienbabeltech.com
Originally posted by: bwcc
Can anyone come up with 'legal' avenues of obtaining relief from these gasoline prices?

Yes, I can.

Label anyone that deals with the Oil Companies as enemies of the Country under the Patriot Act.

Think about it.

They deal with the very Countries that this Country is at the War on Terrer on a daily basis.
 

Rogodin2

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Jul 2, 2003
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"Yes, I can.

Label anyone that deals with the Oil Companies as enemies of the Country under the Patriot Act.

Think about it.

They deal with the very Countries that this Country is at the War on Terrer on a daily basis."

Legal is not moral. You need to change w hat you drive to work with-you need to curtail all your energy needs on a scale that you can live with, and you need to understand the EROI (energy returned on energy invested) of this national infrastructure.

You can't even make a cogent proposition D.

Rogo
 
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