Gas Thread:8-22-07 Gas stations owners file lawsuit alleging price fixing by Saudi owned Refiners in U.S.

[palehorse]

at the very least, will you partisan hacks condemn the Democrats who are ALSO trying to raise gas prices? Or is that too outlandish to even fathom? Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

odd...

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tomywishbone
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, lower than $2.89 per gallon for regular, in Los Angeles County. I should have learned to ride a bicycle...

We're 30 cents behind you, paid $2.59 here today. 20 cent jump this week.

I'm only up to about 2.29 here today, but if the Dems have their way we'll be up another 4 percent.

Ah yes...when the oil companies with the Republicans blessing were merrily raking it in you didn't have a problem with it, now ONE Democrat wants to raise gas taxes and you want to burn a liberal in effigy.

Like someone else said-call the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE

Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between the free market and TAXES...

I don't know about where you are, but in my state it's more than one Democrat that wants to raise gas taxes. I've given proof that Democrats in my state are going for higher gas prices, I'm still waiting for proof from you conspiracy theory nuts that the Republicans are controlling the gas prices in the free market...Oh, and Dave's "source" doesn't count, unless he can give some actual proof that he even has a "source".

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
at the very least, will you partisan hacks condemn the Democrats who are ALSO trying to raise gas prices?

Or is that too outlandish to even fathom? Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

odd...

Not in this case and nothing "odd" about it.

It is one state that is below the national average for gas tax.

Notice we are talking about the tax not what makes the price of a gallon.

You guys are the hysterical partisan hacks. :laugh:

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

Sure seems like "you people" are on the verge of gouging your eyes out whenever you try a half-assed attempt to criticize your own party ("well the GOP sucks but GOSH GOLLY those anti-American terrorist-loving Dems are SO MUCH WORSE I'll gladly give my side a pass---again")

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palehorse74
at the very least, will you partisan hacks condemn the Democrats who are ALSO trying to raise gas prices?

Or is that too outlandish to even fathom? Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

odd...

Not in this case and nothing "odd" about it.

It is one state that is below the national average for gas tax.

Notice we are talking about the tax not what makes the price of a gallon.

You guys are the hysterical partisan hacks. :laugh:

It is a %4 increase to the price of a gallon, that makes the price of a gallon of gas more expensive. You always claim that you are critical of Democrats when they deserve it, here is your chance.

 

[JungleMan1]

Yesss! I love high gas prices since I'm invested in energy stocks, which gives me the ability to profit off the Bush regime's evil capitalist fascist conspiracy tactics. I guess that makes me an evil capitalist pig in bed with the GOP and Halliburton for opening up a TD Ameritrade account and paying $10 to trade stocks.

I also hate all women, blacks, Muslims, Costco shoppers, rappers, French cuisine, and gay people! Go higher gas prices!

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: JD50

Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between the free market and TAXES...

So in other words--someone's holding a GUN to your head and forcing you to buy the gasoline?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: JD50

Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between the free market and TAXES...

So in other words--someone's holding a GUN to your head and forcing you to buy the gasoline?

No, I could quit my current job, sell my car, and go work at 7-11, All Things Country, or Pastores Deli, since those are the only places that I could walk to. But actually, its allright, I make enough to where I can absorb the cost into my budget. I have a very fuel efficient car, pay about $35 a week in gas, and my wife doesn't drive the minivan much because she just stopped working. The people that are hit hardest are the lower class, because gas for their cars is a much higher percent of their budget. So congrats on defending making life harder on the poor.

So, I'm still waiting on the proof that the Republicans are in control of gas prices. I'll condemn Republicans too once you show proof of some big conspiracy of Republican law makers pushing up gas prices. Democrats are quite blunt about it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palehorse74
at the very least, will you partisan hacks condemn the Democrats who are ALSO trying to raise gas prices?

Or is that too outlandish to even fathom? Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

odd...

Not in this case and nothing "odd" about it.

It is one state that is below the national average for gas tax.

Notice we are talking about the tax not what makes the price of a gallon.

You guys are the hysterical partisan hacks. :laugh:

It is a %4 increase to the price of a gallon, that makes the price of a gallon of gas more expensive. You always claim that you are critical of Democrats when they deserve it, here is your chance.

Sorry no :heart: from me. You were paying less than 4% than me and the majority of the Country so it's high time you suck it up. :laugh:

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palehorse74
at the very least, will you partisan hacks condemn the Democrats who are ALSO trying to raise gas prices?

Or is that too outlandish to even fathom? Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

odd...

Not in this case and nothing "odd" about it.

It is one state that is below the national average for gas tax.

Notice we are talking about the tax not what makes the price of a gallon.

You guys are the hysterical partisan hacks. :laugh:

When you post the" scary" prices for gas the you see/report, you do not seperate thestate tax out. Why make a deal about it now.

Fuel costs vary for multiple reasons across the country.
Demand, location, taxes drive the majority of the price differences.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palehorse74
at the very least, will you partisan hacks condemn the Democrats who are ALSO trying to raise gas prices?

Or is that too outlandish to even fathom? Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

odd...

Not in this case and nothing "odd" about it.

It is one state that is below the national average for gas tax.

Notice we are talking about the tax not what makes the price of a gallon.

You guys are the hysterical partisan hacks. :laugh:

When you post the" scary" prices for gas the you see/report, you do not seperate thestate tax out. Why make a deal about it now.

I didn't, your fellow Oil Baron supporter Republican friend in Maryland did because he is personally affected as he will have to pay 4% more for gas if this goes through. :laugh:

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: palehorse74
at the very least, will you partisan hacks condemn the Democrats who are ALSO trying to raise gas prices?

Or is that too outlandish to even fathom? Will typing something critical of your own party cause you physical pain?

odd...

Not in this case and nothing "odd" about it.

It is one state that is below the national average for gas tax.

Notice we are talking about the tax not what makes the price of a gallon.

You guys are the hysterical partisan hacks. :laugh:

When you post the" scary" prices for gas the you see/report, you do not seperate thestate tax out. Why make a deal about it now.

I didn't, your fellow Oil Baron supporter Republican friend in Maryland did because he is personally affected as he will have to pay 4% more for gas if this goes through. :laugh:

Yep--when that 4% was going into oil company profits, no problem. Now that it's for "infrastructure" (ooh gasp, guess that's more of that lib socialism), hell no--can't have any of that crap.

 

[TheSlamma]

$2.17 at the U-pump-it in Commerce City (Denver Metro)

I need to be alone now... this kind of price jump scares me. *yawn*

 

[dmcowen674]

Supply & Demand my Ass

3-2-2007 Gas Industry spokesman says Wall Street Firms manipulating Gas Prices for extra profit after election

Expert: Wall Street Fuels Higher Gas Prices

Drivers are once again feeling the pain at the pump.

The increased profits are rolling out of the gas stations and through the oil companies to the big-money people on Wall Street.

?I?m talking about Goldman Sachs, those kinds of people, the big brokerage firms,? Dan Bowers, of Mon Valley Petroleum, said. ?They come in and do a lot of buying.

They can manipulate a market and that?s exactly what they?re doing.?

For example, Bowers says they can buy ?a billion dollars worth of gasoline at whatever cost it is today and they sell that for seven cents again tomorrow.

They can make hundreds of thousands of dollars in a day.?

Those in the gas industry believe investment firms are trading gas again on the markets because last summer, the Bush Administration pressured them to get out so prices could fall before the election.

But now that the elections are over, the pressure is off and the firms are back.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Ok Dave.

Is it the big bad oil that is manipulating the fuel price or not the big bad investment firms on Wall Street controlling the options?

You keep finding different people to blame for the collusion.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Ok Dave.

Is it the big bad oil that is manipulating the fuel price or not the big bad investment firms on Wall Street controlling the options?

You keep finding different people to blame for the collusion.

That's the point "B]the collusion[/b]" has NOTHING to do with Supply & Demand.

It's 500% Bullshit and nothing to with Free Market, Capitalism or Democracy.

It's a sham and scam of the highest order.

 

[Stunt]

Dave, I will make a few statements below and I want you to tell me which are not true.
All relate to supply and demand of oil; something you do not agree with.

a) Oil reserves are declining
b) Oil consumption is increasing
c) New oil discoveries are slowing
d) Consumption is growing faster than production

 

[Slew Foot]

Another big jump today, 2.85 here in Sacramento for the cheap stuff.

 

[BarneyFife]

I've said it before and I will say it again. This is a sham and nothing to do with economics. When oil goes down, it takes a month for it go down .25 in price. When it goes up, it increases by the next morning.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Ok Dave.

Is it the big bad oil that is manipulating the fuel price or not the big bad investment firms on Wall Street controlling the options?

You keep finding different people to blame for the collusion.

That's the point "the collusion" has NOTHING to do with Supply & Demand.

It's 500% Bullshit and nothing to with Free Market, Capitalism or Democracy.

It's a sham and scam of the highest order.

It has everything to do with the
Free Market (prices are set according to what the consumer will purchase)
Capitalism (Prices are not being fixed to beniefit on group over another)
Democracy (most places that do not have Democracy do not have Capitalism)

You are provided the choice to complain with your wallet by not purchasing the product at that price. As much as you may state you need it, you can sacrifice to find other options or locate the lowest price for the product instead of the most convientent.

This goes for every product that you feel is manipulated

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Dave, I will make a few statements below and I want you to tell me which are not true.
All relate to supply and demand of oil; something you do not agree with.

a) Oil reserves are declining
b) Oil consumption is increasing
c) New oil discoveries are slowing
d) Consumption is growing faster than production

What does this have to do with price manipulation and your support of the Oil Barons?

 

[dualsmp]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
That's the point "the collusion" has NOTHING to do with Supply & Demand.

It's 500% Bullshit and nothing to with Free Market, Capitalism or Democracy.

It's a sham and scam of the highest order.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I've said it before and I will say it again. This is a sham and nothing to do with economics. When oil goes down, it takes a month for it go down .25 in price. When it goes up, it increases by the next morning.

Because of greed, for the most part. When prices go up on oil, the gas companies (as in actual stations) understand that gas will be more expensive, so they respond quickly and make a few cents extra per gallon until they have to purchase more fuel. When oil prices decrease, the gas stations still have that old supply that was paid for at the higher price.

 

[BarneyFife]

I actually know someone that owns a gas station and the price of gas from the wholesaler increases too. They might make more with their old supply but that is what (1-2 days?)

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I actually know someone that owns a gas station and the price of gas from the wholesaler increases too. They might make more with their old supply but that is what (1-2 days?)

Pretty much

It's not like the stations make a killing on it, but it does put a few extra bucks in their pockets. The truth is, gas stations make next to nothing on gas, so they try and grab it whenever they can.