Gasoline Prices... DROPPING!

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Strk
That's good to see. I just wish people would start to change their habbits. One of the biggest problems is us, not some industry.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!!!

If WE would quit buying large automobiles (Ford F150's, SUV's, Hummers) and start telling the car makers to better engineer thier products to avoid this AND as a collective society tell the oil companies and goverment we DEMAND renewable alternative fuel sources...we won't go through this again.

But since history is the best predictor of the future we are bound to repeat our foolish mistakes. Only next time we'll be paying $7-$8 a gallon

It's nice that we live in a free country where WE can decied what kind of car we want to buy and drive.

Question for all of you people saying that we should be driving little cars: how many of you have high power graphic cards, or extra cooling fans, or 500w power supplies? Based on your logic of small cars to save gas shouldn't we all be using nice cheap computers with built in graphic in order to save energy??

Question 2: how many of you are toting 2 kids around in your Prius or Civic hybrid?

You REALLY need to look at Brazil for a perfect example of what I am talking about.

read more here the scrap sugarcane is used to power the refineries that make the ethanol which pretty much makes them self suffciant.

GM has been working closely with the goverment down there to develop engines that run on this....why have they not done it here?

Why did they start doing this with Brazil 20-30 years ago and not start here?

Because that is NOT what the american public wanted. We wanted, and they offered smaller cars based on oil. When oil prices eased we wanted and they made bigger vehicles.

Why? Because we as a society feel that oil and gas are part of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and we are entitled to all the oil we can consume at the cheapest possible prices no matter what.

sugarcanes don't grow here.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Strk
That's good to see. I just wish people would start to change their habbits. One of the biggest problems is us, not some industry.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!!!

If WE would quit buying large automobiles (Ford F150's, SUV's, Hummers) and start telling the car makers to better engineer thier products to avoid this AND as a collective society tell the oil companies and goverment we DEMAND renewable alternative fuel sources...we won't go through this again.

But since history is the best predictor of the future we are bound to repeat our foolish mistakes. Only next time we'll be paying $7-$8 a gallon

It's nice that we live in a free country where WE can decied what kind of car we want to buy and drive.

Question for all of you people saying that we should be driving little cars: how many of you have high power graphic cards, or extra cooling fans, or 500w power supplies? Based on your logic of small cars to save gas shouldn't we all be using nice cheap computers with built in graphic in order to save energy??

Question 2: how many of you are toting 2 kids around in your Prius or Civic hybrid?

You REALLY need to look at Brazil for a perfect example of what I am talking about.

read more here the scrap sugarcane is used to power the refineries that make the ethanol which pretty much makes them self suffciant.

GM has been working closely with the goverment down there to develop engines that run on this....why have they not done it here?

Why did they start doing this with Brazil 20-30 years ago and not start here?

Because that is NOT what the american public wanted. We wanted, and they offered smaller cars based on oil. When oil prices eased we wanted and they made bigger vehicles.

Why? Because we as a society feel that oil and gas are part of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and we are entitled to all the oil we can consume at the cheapest possible prices no matter what.

sugarcanes don't grow here.

Nice box.

Try to look outside it. The point is that there are alternatives and we failed miserably to even attempt put them into practice.

Secondly, I think you should do some checking before you ASSume something.

read

Although sugarcane thrives in humid temperatures, between 70 and 90° F, it can be grown in most areas of the southern United States.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Hafen

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
^^It's good news if we raise gasoline taxes.

Not for general revenue mind you. I'm talking gasoline taxes for clean, efficient public transportation (MUNI be damned), technology subsidies to industry to produce cleaner, more fuel efficient vehicles, subsidies to consumers that buy cleaner, more fuel efficient vehicles, and some kind of subsidy for people that just manage to drive less.

Really high gasoline prices would do some of that but most of the 'financial' benefits go to the gas pirate multinationals and their freedom-loving patrons - the leaders of such countries as Iran, Venezuela, Russia, Middle East autocrats, Equatorial Guinea, etc.

We can do better . . .

You really believe thathiding the costs of these technologies it helps the public? The best thing to happen is to have the price raise naturally and kill off the gas guzzlers. If you want a perfect example take a look at the E85 industry. Heavily subsidized and it is worse than Gasoline. First you have to burn a fossil fuel to make it, then it provides about 75-80% of the energy per gallon.

Hidden costs through taxation and subsidies put the cost per gallon at or above 3.80-4+ per gallon for 80% the fuel mileage and you are still burning fossil fuels to make the stuff.

This idea of taxing and subsidizing industry in the hopes of changing peoples behavior is foolish. I cant name a single industry where it has worked successfully.

What is "The car/oil/gasoline industry for $1000, Alex"?

Oil and gas gets huge subsities and tax breaks. We have lax pollution/efficiency standards, and health/environmental consequences are not tied to the industry to allow real market forces to work. Roads are built by the taxpayer (versus privately built rails in the RR industry traditionally.) Roads encourage sprawl that eat up valuable farmland and push farmers out. Gm is given huge tax breaks and soon we could be subsidizing their pensions. We base much of our foriegn policy around oil and energy, and spend huge amts on the military to enforce it. How many wars have been fought over wind power?

You can't sit there and imply there are no hidden costs to gasoline when it prolly the most net subsidized industry of all. We pay in all sorts of diff ways, not all so obvious. IF we directed these resources into other forms of energy/trasnportation God knows what America could look like

Real stretch of the imagination to call guranteed loans a subsidy. Pensions bailouts are a terrible idea imo and they dont work. The oil industry's subsidies do not go to subsidize the cost of gasoline at the pump either and have failed to produce what Babybalidoc wants which is my point that they fail. When the cost of gasoline outweighs the cost of alternatives you can gurantee the market will make the transition.

Right now artificially keeping gas prices high through taxation wont produce what Babybalidoc wants no matter how hard he wishes it true.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Do not tell Dave the bad news.

Actually, it's the same old news:

Wholesale prices are falling faster than retail gasoline prices, meaning stations are making more money than when prices were $3.

Bend over and salute the free market!

Oh god forbid they rake in a few more cents!
But your idea is falling flat on its face, the competition among the gas stations is bringing the price down along with the lower cost of oil.

The result is about a 30 cent drop in fuel in my area in the last 3 weeks.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Hafen

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
^^It's good news if we raise gasoline taxes.

Not for general revenue mind you. I'm talking gasoline taxes for clean, efficient public transportation (MUNI be damned), technology subsidies to industry to produce cleaner, more fuel efficient vehicles, subsidies to consumers that buy cleaner, more fuel efficient vehicles, and some kind of subsidy for people that just manage to drive less.

Really high gasoline prices would do some of that but most of the 'financial' benefits go to the gas pirate multinationals and their freedom-loving patrons - the leaders of such countries as Iran, Venezuela, Russia, Middle East autocrats, Equatorial Guinea, etc.

We can do better . . .

You really believe thathiding the costs of these technologies it helps the public? The best thing to happen is to have the price raise naturally and kill off the gas guzzlers. If you want a perfect example take a look at the E85 industry. Heavily subsidized and it is worse than Gasoline. First you have to burn a fossil fuel to make it, then it provides about 75-80% of the energy per gallon.

Hidden costs through taxation and subsidies put the cost per gallon at or above 3.80-4+ per gallon for 80% the fuel mileage and you are still burning fossil fuels to make the stuff.

This idea of taxing and subsidizing industry in the hopes of changing peoples behavior is foolish. I cant name a single industry where it has worked successfully.

What is "The car/oil/gasoline industry for $1000, Alex"?

Oil and gas gets huge subsities and tax breaks. We have lax pollution/efficiency standards, and health/environmental consequences are not tied to the industry to allow real market forces to work. Roads are built by the taxpayer (versus privately built rails in the RR industry traditionally.) Roads encourage sprawl that eat up valuable farmland and push farmers out. Gm is given huge tax breaks and soon we could be subsidizing their pensions. We base much of our foriegn policy around oil and energy, and spend huge amts on the military to enforce it. How many wars have been fought over wind power?

You can't sit there and imply there are no hidden costs to gasoline when it prolly the most net subsidized industry of all. We pay in all sorts of diff ways, not all so obvious. IF we directed these resources into other forms of energy/trasnportation God knows what America could look like

Real stretch of the imagination to call guranteed loans a subsidy. Pensions bailouts are a terrible idea imo and they dont work. The oil industry's subsidies do not go to subsidize the cost of gasoline at the pump either and have failed to produce what Babybalidoc wants which is my point that they fail. When the cost of gasoline outweighs the cost of alternatives you can gurantee the market will make the transition.

Right now artificially keeping gas prices high through taxation wont produce what Babybalidoc wants no matter how hard he wishes it true.

Meh. Hafen's argument is horribly flawed anyway. Roads are not a subsidy to the oil industry, but to all of American commerce and business. It's an old joke that every road shares 2 things in common: a means of production at one end and a bank at the other. That means of production includes the farmers he claims are getting pushed out. In fact, the history of roads in America is that of getting farmers' crops to market. And the railroads did not build their own rails, most of that was subsidized as well.

And... when will people we realize that we do not fight wars for oil? The military-defense industry is a subsidy unto itself. We fight wars so Lockheed can make planes and bombs. So military personel will vote a certain way (which they invariably do) because most of them never see combat and they want the bonuses that come with a war. So the millions of people working that industry can have jobs. That's what it's all about and nothing else.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Do not tell Dave the bad news.

Actually, it's the same old news:

Wholesale prices are falling faster than retail gasoline prices, meaning stations are making more money than when prices were $3.

Bend over and salute the free market!

Oh god forbid they rake in a few more cents!
But your idea is falling flat on its face, the competition among the gas stations is bringing the price down along with the lower cost of oil.

The result is about a 30 cent drop in fuel in my area in the last 3 weeks.

Don't forget that most gas station owners got hurt badly when prices when up and competitive pressures pushed them to try to be the last to raise prices. Now they're just trying to make some money back and hold out as long as possible, but soon enough the same competitive pressures will push them to drop prices.

So yeah, salute the free market. Unless perky here has some idea as to how a controlled market would do it any better. But I'm sure he doesn't, he was just bitching to bitch, throwing a tantrum because he can't have his cake and eat it too. It's funny that the people who bitch most about being screwed are really bitching that they're not able to screw someone else.

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Real stretch of the imagination to call guranteed loans a subsidy. Pensions bailouts are a terrible idea imo and they dont work. The oil industry's subsidies do not go to subsidize the cost of gasoline at the pump either and have failed to produce what Babybalidoc wants which is my point that they fail. When the cost of gasoline outweighs the cost of alternatives you can gurantee the market will make the transition.

Right now artificially keeping gas prices high through taxation wont produce what Babybalidoc wants no matter how hard he wishes it true.

I also think that gas prices should be artificially kept high. I don't believe that the government would actually do anything useful with the extra money though. But the problem is right now any alternative could be pretty much killed if OPEC just bumped up production for a year or so. Considering Americans have very short term memories and are even shorter sighted.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Strk
That's good to see. I just wish people would start to change their habbits. One of the biggest problems is us, not some industry.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!!!

If WE would quit buying large automobiles (Ford F150's, SUV's, Hummers) and start telling the car makers to better engineer thier products to avoid this AND as a collective society tell the oil companies and goverment we DEMAND renewable alternative fuel sources...we won't go through this again.

But since history is the best predictor of the future we are bound to repeat our foolish mistakes. Only next time we'll be paying $7-$8 a gallon

It's nice that we live in a free country where WE can decied what kind of car we want to buy and drive.

Question for all of you people saying that we should be driving little cars: how many of you have high power graphic cards, or extra cooling fans, or 500w power supplies? Based on your logic of small cars to save gas shouldn't we all be using nice cheap computers with built in graphic in order to save energy??

Question 2: how many of you are toting 2 kids around in your Prius or Civic hybrid?

You REALLY need to look at Brazil for a perfect example of what I am talking about.

read more here the scrap sugarcane is used to power the refineries that make the ethanol which pretty much makes them self suffciant.

GM has been working closely with the goverment down there to develop engines that run on this....why have they not done it here?

Why did they start doing this with Brazil 20-30 years ago and not start here?

Because that is NOT what the american public wanted. We wanted, and they offered smaller cars based on oil. When oil prices eased we wanted and they made bigger vehicles.

Why? Because we as a society feel that oil and gas are part of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and we are entitled to all the oil we can consume at the cheapest possible prices no matter what.

sugarcanes don't grow here.

Nice box.

Try to look outside it. The point is that there are alternatives and we failed miserably to even attempt put them into practice.

Secondly, I think you should do some checking before you ASSume something.

read

Although sugarcane thrives in humid temperatures, between 70 and 90° F, it can be grown in most areas of the southern United States.

more info on the subject:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/Sugar/Background.htm
according to this article sugar cane farms have decreased in the last 4 years but US production from the fewer farms has increased.
It seem to me though since sugarcane can only be grown in a few southern states, that sugar beets perhaps is a better option, since they can be grown about anywhere. Ie...Minnesota is a big grower of sugar beets.
map
why aren't we doing it?

Must be General Mills and the Corn barons?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic
And... when will people we realize that we do not fight wars for oil?

The military-defense industry is a subsidy unto itself. We fight wars so Lockheed can make planes and bombs. So military personel will vote a certain way (which they invariably do) because most of them never see combat and they want the bonuses that come with a war. So the millions of people working that industry can have jobs. That's what it's all about and nothing else.

Really?

Then why do we only invade and go to war with Countries that have Oil?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
And... when will people we realize that we do not fight wars for oil?

The military-defense industry is a subsidy unto itself. We fight wars so Lockheed can make planes and bombs. So military personel will vote a certain way (which they invariably do) because most of them never see combat and they want the bonuses that come with a war. So the millions of people working that industry can have jobs. That's what it's all about and nothing else.

Really?

Then why do we only invade and go to war with Countries that have Oil?

A better question would be, why do we only invade/go to war with countries that Israel tells us to?
If oil were the only issue, we would invade Norway.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
And... when will people we realize that we do not fight wars for oil?

The military-defense industry is a subsidy unto itself. We fight wars so Lockheed can make planes and bombs. So military personel will vote a certain way (which they invariably do) because most of them never see combat and they want the bonuses that come with a war. So the millions of people working that industry can have jobs. That's what it's all about and nothing else.

Really?

Then why do we only invade and go to war with Countries that have Oil?

A better question would be, why do we only invade/go to war with countries that Israel tells us to?
If oil were the only issue, we would invade Norway.

And Canada.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
And... when will people we realize that we do not fight wars for oil?

The military-defense industry is a subsidy unto itself. We fight wars so Lockheed can make planes and bombs. So military personel will vote a certain way (which they invariably do) because most of them never see combat and they want the bonuses that come with a war. So the millions of people working that industry can have jobs. That's what it's all about and nothing else.

Really?

Then why do we only invade and go to war with Countries that have Oil?

A better question would be, why do we only invade/go to war with countries that Israel tells us to?
If oil were the only issue, we would invade Norway.

And Canada.

Heh, well... I've long been a fan of the idea of attacking Canada...

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
And... when will people we realize that we do not fight wars for oil?

The military-defense industry is a subsidy unto itself. We fight wars so Lockheed can make planes and bombs. So military personel will vote a certain way (which they invariably do) because most of them never see combat and they want the bonuses that come with a war. So the millions of people working that industry can have jobs. That's what it's all about and nothing else.

Really?

Then why do we only invade and go to war with Countries that have Oil?

A better question would be, why do we only invade/go to war with countries that Israel tells us to?
If oil were the only issue, we would invade Norway.

And Canada.

We can't trust the Quebecers! (Yeah, I know the oil is in Alberta, for the pedantic)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
And... when will people we realize that we do not fight wars for oil?

The military-defense industry is a subsidy unto itself. We fight wars so Lockheed can make planes and bombs. So military personel will vote a certain way (which they invariably do) because most of them never see combat and they want the bonuses that come with a war. So the millions of people working that industry can have jobs. That's what it's all about and nothing else.

Really?

Then why do we only invade and go to war with Countries that have Oil?

A better question would be, why do we only invade/go to war with countries that Israel tells us to?
If oil were the only issue, we would invade Norway.

And Canada.

Heh, well... I've long been a fan of the idea of attacking Canada...

I say we invade Canada for the Oil resources.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
Heh, well... I've long been a fan of the idea of attacking Canada...

I say we invade Canada for the Oil resources.

Nah, I say we invade Canada because of Canadian arrogance.

Damn Canuckistanis!

 

[GoPackGo]

Gas is 2.54 a gallon here now, WTF?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Gas dropped $0.03 today.

Why must the Oil companies try to save me money. Must be all Bush's fault again. Trying to by my vote. Darn it hurts to have to bend over and take it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Gas dropped $0.03 today.

Why must the Oil companies try to save me money. Must be all Bush's fault again. Trying to by my vote. Darn it hurts to have to bend over and take it.

Please expalin when Oil is still over $70 and rising why else they are lowering gas before the Election/.

8-31-2006 Oil prices finish above $70 a barrel

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Gas dropped $0.03 today.

Why must the Oil companies try to save me money. Must be all Bush's fault again. Trying to by my vote. Darn it hurts to have to bend over and take it.

Please expalin when Oil is still over $70 and rising why else they are lowering gas before the Election/.

8-31-2006 Oil prices finish above $70 a barrel

Unleaded gas futures fall another 2 cents today, down 55 cents in the past month.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Gas dropped $0.03 today.

Why must the Oil companies try to save me money. Must be all Bush's fault again. Trying to by my vote. Darn it hurts to have to bend over and take it.

Please expalin when Oil is still over $70 and rising why else they are lowering gas before the Election/.

8-31-2006 Oil prices finish above $70 a barrel

Glut of gasoline on the market?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Gas dropped $0.03 today.

Why must the Oil companies try to save me money. Must be all Bush's fault again. Trying to by my vote. Darn it hurts to have to bend over and take it.

Please expalin when Oil is still over $70 and rising why else they are lowering gas before the Election/.

8-31-2006 Oil prices finish above $70 a barrel

Glut of gasoline on the market?

All of a sudden those refineries that couldn't keep up can keep up?

That's a fvking miracle after how many years now??

How did they do it???

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Gas dropped $0.03 today.

Why must the Oil companies try to save me money. Must be all Bush's fault again. Trying to by my vote. Darn it hurts to have to bend over and take it.

Please expalin when Oil is still over $70 and rising why else they are lowering gas before the Election/.

8-31-2006 Oil prices finish above $70 a barrel

Glut of gasoline on the market?

All of a sudden those refineries that couldn't keep up can keep up?

That's a fvking miracle after how many years now??

How did they do it???

They need to deplete the summer blend of gasoline before the fall. There were no natural disasters this summer and stock levels remain high. The GOP doesn?t control the cost of gas dude.

 

[tommywishbone]

FWIW, $3.19 for regular today, in Santa Monica, Calif. (Chevron on Lincoln Blvd.)

 

[trenchfoot]

Gasoline prices are falling fast and could keep dropping for months

not so in hawaii where we have two refineries that have a firm hold on pricing.

our legislature rescinded a gas price cap law earlier this year that matched prices on average from some other US locations. since then, the price of gas has gone up and has remained in the $3.35 - $3.60 range for regular.

i guess these prices are just fine for alot of folks around here that drive big trucks, SUV's and other such guzzlers because i see a lot of them going 15-25 mph over the speed limit on the freeways all the time.

i put my cherry 'vette up on jackstands and turned in my plates just to make sure i wouldn't get tempted to run around on 7-9 mpg just to get the ya-ya's out of my system.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tweaker2

Gasoline prices are falling fast and could keep dropping for months

not so in hawaii where we have two refineries that have a firm hold on pricing.

our legislature rescinded a gas price cap law earlier this year that matched prices on average from some other US locations. since then, the price of gas has gone up and has remained in the $3.35 - $3.60 range for regular.

i guess these prices are just fine for alot of folks around here that drive big trucks, SUV's and other such guzzlers because i see a lot of them going 15-25 mph over the speed limit on the freeways all the time.

i put my cherry 'vette up on jackstands and turned in my plates just to make sure i wouldn't get tempted to run around on 7-9 mpg just to get the ya-ya's out of my system.

:thumbsup: