**GASP** Dell... Opteron... **OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED**

[Reliant]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Reliant

Originally posted by: Markfw900
It's about time ! The monoply is starting to fall (Intel) This will mean even more compitition ! And that better for all of us ! Now if only Microsoft could have a stronger competitor......

I wouldn't say Intel is a monopoly like Microsoft. In the recent Steam HL2 survey it showed that the AMD/Intel split was near 50/50. Either way, more competition is good for us!

But 90% of business computers (75% of which are Dell's) probably aren't going to be participating in a "gaming" survey.

I know, but we're all gamers here, and we know better than any person working at a work computer about the insides of our comps. We also know that AMD puts out just as good of products and Intel and that Intel is in no way a monopoly. Since home users take computers as much more of a hobby than anything and keep more up to date, I'd say that we know more about this situation. Among gamers the split is around 50/50, and the gamers are the people usually keep up with the latest hardware and trends, which shows that there still IS competetion in the CPU market.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Reliant

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Reliant

Originally posted by: Markfw900
It's about time ! The monoply is starting to fall (Intel) This will mean even more compitition ! And that better for all of us ! Now if only Microsoft could have a stronger competitor......

I wouldn't say Intel is a monopoly like Microsoft. In the recent Steam HL2 survey it showed that the AMD/Intel split was near 50/50. Either way, more competition is good for us!

But 90% of business computers (75% of which are Dell's) probably aren't going to be participating in a "gaming" survey.

I know, but we're all gamers here, and we know better than any person working at a work computer about the insides of our comps. We also know that AMD puts out just as good of products and Intel and that Intel is in no way a monopoly. Since home users take computers as much more of a hobby than anything and keep more up to date, I'd say that we know more about this situation. Among gamers the split is around 50/50, and the gamers are the people usually keep up with the latest hardware and trends, which shows that there still IS competetion in the CPU market.

VIA C3 ownz u.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Intel isnt even close to a monopoly.

They are definately dominant, but they arent anti-competitive, and they dont control enough aspects of the market to constitute a monopoly.

Lets see, Microsoft won;t release their 64 bit OS until Intel comes out with a 64 bit chip, and they "determine" what end up being standards like SSE,SSE2,SSE3, etc... I would say they pretty much control the market. And gamers constitute a small portion of the total market. If gamers were the whole market, Intel wouldn't have such big profits. They are close enough to a monopoly for me to call them one. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, and I have some basis for mine at least.....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Intel isnt even close to a monopoly.

They are definately dominant, but they arent anti-competitive, and they dont control enough aspects of the market to constitute a monopoly.

Lets see, Microsoft won;t release their 64 bit OS until Intel comes out with a 64 bit chip, and they "determine" what end up being standards like SSE,SSE2,SSE3, etc... I would say they pretty much control the market. And gamers constitute a small portion of the total market. If gamers were the whole market, Intel wouldn't have such big profits. They are close enough to a monopoly for me to call them one. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, and I have some basis for mine at least.....

The 64bit-OS you can download now in beta form and certainly isnt anywhere near ready? Yeah big conspiracy there the black helicopters are coming.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Intel isnt even close to a monopoly.

They are definately dominant, but they arent anti-competitive, and they dont control enough aspects of the market to constitute a monopoly.

Lets see, Microsoft won;t release their 64 bit OS until Intel comes out with a 64 bit chip, and they "determine" what end up being standards like SSE,SSE2,SSE3, etc... I would say they pretty much control the market. And gamers constitute a small portion of the total market. If gamers were the whole market, Intel wouldn't have such big profits. They are close enough to a monopoly for me to call them one. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, and I have some basis for mine at least.....

The 64bit-OS you can download now in beta form and certainly isnt anywhere near ready? Yeah big conspiracy there the black helicopters are coming.

Yes, I downloaded it and installed it, and yes it is OK, but no drivers for almost anything. I can't even connect to the internet or have sound. Everybody says they won;t come up with drivers until Microsoft releases it. And I never used or implied conspiracy, I said monopoly, big difference.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Reliant

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: Reliant

Originally posted by: Markfw900
It's about time ! The monoply is starting to fall (Intel) This will mean even more compitition ! And that better for all of us ! Now if only Microsoft could have a stronger competitor......

I wouldn't say Intel is a monopoly like Microsoft. In the recent Steam HL2 survey it showed that the AMD/Intel split was near 50/50. Either way, more competition is good for us!

But 90% of business computers (75% of which are Dell's) probably aren't going to be participating in a "gaming" survey.

I know, but we're all gamers here, and we know better than any person working at a work computer about the insides of our comps. We also know that AMD puts out just as good of products and Intel and that Intel is in no way a monopoly. Since home users take computers as much more of a hobby than anything and keep more up to date, I'd say that we know more about this situation. Among gamers the split is around 50/50, and the gamers are the people usually keep up with the latest hardware and trends, which shows that there still IS competetion in the CPU market.

However - you HAVE to admit, from a market share standpoint, business computing FAR outstrips enthusiast computer as far as quantity goes. Essentially, we are a minority.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Intel isnt even close to a monopoly.

They are definately dominant, but they arent anti-competitive, and they dont control enough aspects of the market to constitute a monopoly.

Lets see, Microsoft won;t release their 64 bit OS until Intel comes out with a 64 bit chip, and they "determine" what end up being standards like SSE,SSE2,SSE3, etc... I would say they pretty much control the market. And gamers constitute a small portion of the total market. If gamers were the whole market, Intel wouldn't have such big profits. They are close enough to a monopoly for me to call them one. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, and I have some basis for mine at least.....

The 64bit-OS you can download now in beta form and certainly isnt anywhere near ready? Yeah big conspiracy there the black helicopters are coming.

Yes, I downloaded it and installed it, and yes it is OK, but no drivers for almost anything. I can't even connect to the internet or have sound. Everybody says they won;t come up with drivers until Microsoft releases it. And I never used or implied conspiracy, I said monopoly, big difference.

A monopoly is a giant company that uses underhanded methods to remain in its dominant position... so you are implying intel is strongarming MS into not releasing WXP-64 until they have 64bit active on prescotts? thats the way i took it, and it sounds like a conspiracy theory.

 

[labrat25]

honestly I don't know why dell would go AMD, 'least for desktops... the only people they'd be underselling would be themselves = do them no good

for servers/workstations AMD makes sense, cut the price of a server significantly by going AMD

that's my 2 cents

 

[JBT]

holy crap...

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: labrat25
honestly I don't know why dell would go AMD, 'least for desktops... the only people they'd be underselling would be themselves = do them no good

for servers/workstations AMD makes sense, cut the price of a server significantly by going AMD

that's my 2 cents

AMD now runs much cooler.
They've capped off their hottest running line - Athlon 64 FX - at 89 watts. That means that no new A64 will go above that until they change their policy. Currently, it's more like 50-60 watts.
Intel is currently sitting at, what? 110watts?
That's a big deal for Dell.
edit: looks like prescotts will be pushing 120 watts at 3.6.
Also, AMD's opteron and Athlon 64 lines are the only ones to support NX in windows XP SP2. The only other processor is the intanium. Intel's x86-64 processors will not support it (it's one of the few changes they made to their implementation of the spec) This is a HUGE security flaw in Intel's processors!

 

[addragyn]

How Dominanat is Intel?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/36453.html

2003 World Processor Sales

Rank
Company
2003 sales ($m)
2002 sales ($m)
Growth
2003 market share

1
Intel
21,850
19,000
15%
80%

2
AMD
1960
1705
15%
7%

3
Motorola
840
809
4%
4%

4
IBM
520
200
160%
2%

Source: IC Insights

Damn we really need code tags here.

 

[Acanthus]

Thats a very different picture today... A-64 is putting a really nice dent in intel.

 

[Vernor]

Link doesn't work now.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: Vernor
Link doesn't work now.

HAHAHHAHA. Intel found out that Dell was being naughty...

-Por

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: andreasl
They must be gearing up to sell AMD desktops as well...

This link still works!

 

[Fiveohhh]

Awesome!

 

[AkumaX]

that aint the only thang they're selling

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: AkumaX
that aint the only thang they're selling

:Q

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: AkumaX
that aint the only thang they're selling

:Q

What was it? That link is down now too...

-Por

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: PorBleemo

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: AkumaX
that aint the only thang they're selling

:Q

What was it? That link is down now too...

-Por

Shuttle SFF system

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

damn, linkies no worky.

Good screenshot Brandon.

 

[NFS4]

Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS 3 for AMD64 Standard Edition

Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS 3 for AMD64 Premium Edition

 

[Pariah]

Does Dell components division have any tie-in to their prebuilt computers division? Until Dell is selling prebuilt AMD systems under the Dell name, who cares. Dell selling a few Opterons on the side isn't going to have any financial effect on AMD. They're probably not even getting the CPU's straight from AMD.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Pariah
Does Dell components division have any tie-in to their prebuilt computers division? Until Dell is selling prebuilt Dell systems under the Dell name, who cares. Dell selling a few Opterons on the side isn't going to have any financial effect on AMD. They're probably not even getting the CPU's straight from AMD.

It's just something cool too see. Nothing more. Don't be such a spoil sport

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Pariah
Does Dell components division have any tie-in to their prebuilt computers division? Until Dell is selling prebuilt Dell systems under the Dell name, who cares. Dell selling a few Opterons on the side isn't going to have any financial effect on AMD. They're probably not even getting the CPU's straight from AMD.

It's just something cool too see. Nothing more. Don't be such a spoil sport

Agreed. Let us have our fun!

None of the links work now (except for Brandon's), so could somebody please say what the other links lead to? I assume they were for single opteron and athlon CPUs, but I'm curious to know which ones.