Gave windows 8 a proper try, still sucks

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hondaf17

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For all the people saying it sucks it sure seems to be selling well, at least if my experience is any indicator...

I pre-ordered through my local Microcenter. The guy there said they were originally scheduled to receive 800 copies of W8. They received 850 pre-orders. They ordered 700 more to get a total of 1,500 copies. They're over 1,000 gone as of noon today and have yet another shipment ordered.

Obviously just one example but I'm glad to see them going quickly off the shelf, at least at my local store.
 

AdamK47

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I tried Windows 8 over the weekend. It has horrible compatibility issues with older games. Diablo 1 (1996) would end up with "Process has stopped working" a minute into the game. Outlaws (1997) would give a pallet error when attempting to start the game in any mode other than basic Windowed GDI mode. Mafia (2002) refused to start at all. Same with Max Payne 2 (2003). I tried every single compatibility option with each game to no avail. These were just a few of the game I tried out of the hundreds I own. The only thing that fixes it is switching back to Windows 7. I've had excellent luck with older game compatability with Vista and 7.
 

zephxiii

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I wonder if Peachtree 2012 will run ok on 8 as i would like to take advantage of the 40 dollar upgrade at work.
 

cboath

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I tried Windows 8 over the weekend. It has horrible compatibility issues with older games. Diablo 1 (1996) would end up with "Process has stopped working" a minute into the game. Outlaws (1997) would give a pallet error when attempting to start the game in any mode other than basic Windowed GDI mode. Mafia (2002) refused to start at all. Same with Max Payne 2 (2003). I tried every single compatibility option with each game to no avail. These were just a few of the game I tried out of the hundreds I own. The only thing that fixes it is switching back to Windows 7. I've had excellent luck with older game compatability with Vista and 7.

So the newest game you've had an issue with is nearly 10 years old??? I'd think that kind of issue would be expected.
 

AdamK47

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So the newest game you've had an issue with is nearly 10 years old??? I'd think that kind of issue would be expected.

I would not expect it. I think I'm a bit experienced in getting older games working. Here's an older screenshot of what I had installed on Windows 7. All work. I'm up to 846 now.

 

cmdrdredd

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Luckily I don"t have any games that are that old or use any programs that are old enough to worry about compatibility. I am just trying to figure out whether to use Classic Shell or Start8 to get a start menu like Windows 7. I can learn the new interface but it is much simpler for me to be able to browse through the start menu in Windows 7 than use the Windows 8 interface. At least for now it is.
 

Rhonda the Sly

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Adam, I can play StarCraft 1 on my PC, if that works Diablo 1 should probably play just fine. Does it work on your PC?
 

FordGT

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It's too bad that Microsoft decided to shove mobile on everyone. The Start menu is very important to my work flow and the search feature in W7 is superb. Besides the missing Start menu the biggest gripe I have is the lack of Aero Glass.



I don't sit around staring at Windows Explorer all day but I still like my eye candy. Microsoft states that they dropped transparency because it was a resource hog. Perhaps it is but when the average desktop has at least 4GB of RAM and decent graphics there is no reason to force the flat and boring design on us non-mobile users. I get the clean and simplified look for tablets and for laptop users that want to save battery life. When I have my ass in my comfy chair in front of my monitor at home though, I want eye candy Microsoft.



I have been testing the speed difference as well and sadly W8 is no faster than W7 for me. The average boot time actually increased slightly by two seconds.
 

Carfax83

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I installed it yesterday, and so far, I like it for the most part. It's definitely snappier and more efficient than Windows 7 for instance (boot time has dropped by 6 seconds), and despite a few software problems (which were easily remedied by either updating or reinstallation), my upgrade has gone remarkably smooth. I also love IE10, it's faster than Chrome even and has integrated spell check (not that I need it though )!

The only issue I've had is with my X-Fi soundcard, which for some reason doesn't want to remember it's settings. I'm sure a future driver from Creative will eventually resolve that issue though, and it's easy for me to work around anyway.

I'm in the same boat as most other people in my dislike of the Metro UI. It's silly to have such an interface on the desktop version, and it's even worse that they try to force you to use it as much as possible.

Whoever made that decision, I hope they get fired..
 

HeXen

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What IF.....
MS never made metro and the start was the same as 7's.
Would everyone still complain?

i'm inclined to think they would. Especially since Aero,WMC and DVD maker were removed and has no dvd playability out of the box. More focus of complaints would also be on Explorers ribbon and complaints of how there is not enough incentive to upgrade. Most of the benchmarks reviewed, especially games are disappointingly negligible.
without the controversy, fewer would even know W8 exists.

what say you?
 

cboath

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It's too bad that Microsoft decided to shove mobile on everyone. The Start menu is very important to my work flow and the search feature in W7 is superb. Besides the missing Start menu the biggest gripe I have is the lack of Aero Glass.



I don't sit around staring at Windows Explorer all day but I still like my eye candy. Microsoft states that they dropped transparency because it was a resource hog. Perhaps it is but when the average desktop has at least 4GB of RAM and decent graphics there is no reason to force the flat and boring design on us non-mobile users. I get the clean and simplified look for tablets and for laptop users that want to save battery life. When I have my ass in my comfy chair in front of my monitor at home though, I want eye candy Microsoft.



I have been testing the speed difference as well and sadly W8 is no faster than W7 for me. The average boot time actually increased slightly by two seconds.

I don't see any start menu functionality missing other than having to go through the start screen to access 'all programs'. W8's search is much better than 8's - as least as finding programs is concerned. In fact, on my work machine, which is 7, i've actually created a couple pop up toolbars (which can be done in 8 as well) and dumped my most used programs in there because i HATE having to scroll through the start menu to find things i only use from time to time. The toolbar is substantially faster. I'll probably add them back to my 8 setup once i install more things, but i'm trying to keep it 'lean and mean' as long as possible.

It took me 30 seconds to switch my associations back to media players, and a couple other standard windows exe's instead of the 'app' version. Of course, a lot of people won't know how to do that.

As for transparency, i think it was only an issue on integrated video cards. However, I can also recall my desktop window manager eating 150MB of memory on my 7 install, sometimes more. I think it got up to 250 once. I have 12GB so it's not an issue, but nothing else was that size aside from full blown programs. With all the integrated intel stuff and tablets, the transparency was probably something not worth keeping around for them. If that's the rationale, i get it, and hopefully it'll be back one day.
 

2is

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I've been using W8 on and off since beta up to and including the current Pro version and I hate it. I won't get into specifics because they've pretty much all been mentioned at one point or another here. Start8 isn't a replacement for W7's (IMO, Much better desktop UI) as stated above, I also like my eye candy, and the "safe mode" look of the classic UI in W8 just doesn't cut it. Transparency is nice an no, it's absence isn't only on integrated GPU's. The resource argument is a lame one considering the number of resources a modern PC has, and considering even low end computers from many years ago could do it (vista). "resources" may be a problem on a tablet, but Microsoft would have us believe this is a Desktop OS...

Is it ALL bad? No, just mostly bad. I like it's integration with my social networks, but not a whole lot more than that. Heck, it doesn't even have a proper desktop clock. I understand some of you are fond of this tablet oriented OS on your desktops, but that doesn't make the rest of us wrong for not sharing your opinion. It really shouldn't even be called "windows" considering there aren't any. Just a bunch of tiles that open up in full screen
 

cboath

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So far i've only found one thing that can't be done in 8 that was in 7 and that's sidebar/gadgets.

I do miss my clock in the upper right hand corner along with weatherbug and my disk usage utility.

As for transparency, i just meant that perhaps the resource issue were much more profound on the integrated side. I used to be in support and I do recall having to tell a few people to turn it off to get higher end apps to run properly. I'm on a FireGL at the moment and i've still got a couple that turn aero off on their own at startup. Though, admittedly they're a few years old.
 

Mem

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So far i've only found one thing that can't be done in 8 that was in 7 and that's sidebar/gadgets.

I do miss my clock in the upper right hand corner along with weatherbug and my disk usage utility.

As for transparency, i just meant that perhaps the resource issue were much more profound on the integrated side. I used to be in support and I do recall having to tell a few people to turn it off to get higher end apps to run properly. I'm on a FireGL at the moment and i've still got a couple that turn aero off on their own at startup. Though, admittedly they're a few years old.


Try this
http://www.ghacks.net/2012/08/26/no-windows-8-desktop-gadgets-try-these-two-tools-to-get-them-back/
 

zephxiii

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One thing I hate: In 7 you used to be able to right click on your connected wifi AP and go to status...that is no longer there...wtf.
 

cmdrdredd

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Personally I dont miss aero all that much since that is something I ignored completely while working or using a full screen app. Love it or hate it this is the new windows so you may as well deal with it cause I do not see microsoft backing off this xbox/desktop/surface integration.
 

2is

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Ill deal with it... When I actually have to. Ill keep my fingers crossed that MS will actually develop a desktop OS in 3 years.
 

cmdrdredd

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Thats fine but I don't see microsoft backing off metro. The desktop is 100% usable and the exact same as windows 7 minus aero if you install start8 or clsssic shell etc.

Since this is the case I dont think it was necessary to release win8 on desktop at all since probably 99% of us dont have touchscreen and dont play fruit ninja.

Still I see progress in some areas like merging folders with multiple files and the like.
 

2is

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I'd say that's more expected than interesting. AMD BD and PD owners may see a performance gain from the improved scheduler that's better suited to the "modular" architecture of those CPUs than W7, but even that improvement will be marginal most of the time.
 

GrumpyMan

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I'd say that's more expected than interesting. AMD BD and PD owners may see a performance gain from the improved scheduler that's better suited to the "modular" architecture of those CPUs than W7, but even that improvement will be marginal most of the time.


If it was expected, then they would not of done a giant article on it. So it's more interesting than expected. :whiste:
 
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