Gavin Newsom is a progressive tour de force nationally

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Brovane

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CA is about to lose even more businesses as crime and costs soar out of control so nobody in their right mind wants them leading anything. I read yesterday that McDonalds is close to closing 1k stores and BK says up to 400 stores will close this year. Yeah nobody wants them in charge of anything else.

Why does the phrase "I read yesterday" always seem to not include a link to what they actually read?
 

Moonbeam

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He was never offering reparations, that’s a made up thing.

Greenman was mad that Newsom made a study about reparations and then said he was doubly mad when reparations were not offered - both from an anti-reparations place. It’s absolute silliness. He got what he wanted and then got mad about it.
Perhaps I missed something. I was under the impression from reading his answer to my question that he believed that reparations were actually happening and in amounts that would damage the state. My point was that coming from that perspective it would be perfectly norman to be further outraged to discover the whole reparations thingi was just a fraud from the beginning. Furthermore I felt you enlightened him of the fact that reparations had been taken off the table and that he had not known that and had gotten wound up about nothing. The conservative brain is wired for that. It is easily magnetized by perceived negatives in the environment unaware of the fact that such catastrophizing is a projection of the hyperalertness caused by childhood trauma. It's a subset of Stockholm syndrome, a reflexive attemot to find safety behind authoritarian figures and conform to their feelings. My opinion, of course.

I had only that one issue with what you have said. I have trouble finding fault with people who had no choice but to break as children under the relentless and merciless pressure we were under to conform. How well we resisted, in my opinion, was the luck of the draw. Some had things better, some much much worse.
 

Pens1566

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CA is about to lose even more businesses as crime and costs soar out of control so nobody in their right mind wants them leading anything. I read yesterday that McDonalds is close to closing 1k stores and BK says up to 400 stores will close this year. Yeah nobody wants them in charge of anything else.

Just FYI, but those closure #s were for nationwide. Has nothing to do specifically with CA.
 

MrSquished

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He was never offering reparations, that’s a made up thing.

Greenman was mad that Newsom made a study about reparations and then said he was doubly mad when reparations were not offered - both from an anti-reparations place. It’s absolute silliness. He got what he wanted and then got mad about it.

This is typical for smart and ethical Republicans
 

zinfamous

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Sleepy Joe will probably win the nomination but none of the D's at the base where I work want him to. When it comes to the lgbtq community they have the same rights that I do and do not need special privileges or protections as there are plenty already on the books. Rod Desantis did the right thing when he enacted the law that prevents schools from indoctrinating children to alternative lifestyles.

I do not want them trying to force their lifestyles and views on me or mine just like I don't force people to hear about how I think they should own a gun, be able to turn a wrench on their own cars, fix a lawnmower or anything else of interest to me. Parents are responsible for raising their own kids and instilling values in them at home.

Some of you lefties are extremists on par with the maga gang.


Since you're such the humanitarian why don't you open up your home to them and pay all of their expenses out of pocket?

lol. I never realized you were this fucking insane. I guess you've gone full bshole or something. ....or just finally got a chance to rage about you're "the real american liberal!" with your toxic, anti-human, anti-liberal simple-minded belief structure.

you are a truly terrible person, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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akugami

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I'd support a turkey sandwich over anyone the GOP would nominate at this point in time.

I'd also like to add, the turkey sandwich is much more likely to feed the hungry than anyone the GOP would nominate. So already, the turkey sandwich has done more good than 99% of the current GOP politicians today.


Newsom is a very qualified candidate for president. If he ran, he'd have my vote.

He's a successful businessman, and did it without fake loans from daddy big bucks. He knows how to run a tight ship, with good leaderships skills.

Newsom is also a strong proponent of education. He's prioritized STEM education for all California students, and wants STEM taught as early as kindergarten.

He's a realist. He tries to push the state forward, but at the same time, he knows when to do it slowly. For example, pushing for green energy and the adoption of non fossil fuel vehicles, but at the same time recognizing that there is still a need for fossil fuel power plants while they transition to more green energies. Newsom also extended nuclear power generation. I actually feel nuclear power can be a relatively clean source of energy. Spent nuclear fuel rods can be recycled and reused for more power generation. Stupidly, the U.S. does not recycle nuclear fuel rods.

Critics say Newsom cut funding for homeless and drug addicts, but the truth is, he funneled the money into services such as mental health specialists and counselors, and also offering housing and supportive care. Of course, that meant cutting funding for existing care facilities, who are probably the biggest ones crying. The program was called Care Not Cash, and views as largely successful.

That's not to say he's been perfect, or hasn't failed in some of his projects, but I'd say he is infinitely more qualified than someone like Trump.
 

ivwshane

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I'd also like to add, the turkey sandwich is much more likely to feed the hungry than anyone the GOP would nominate. So already, the turkey sandwich has done more good than 99% of the current GOP politicians today.


Newsom is a very qualified candidate for president. If he ran, he'd have my vote.

He's a successful businessman, and did it without fake loans from daddy big bucks. He knows how to run a tight ship, with good leaderships skills.

Newsom is also a strong proponent of education. He's prioritized STEM education for all California students, and wants STEM taught as early as kindergarten.

He's a realist. He tries to push the state forward, but at the same time, he knows when to do it slowly. For example, pushing for green energy and the adoption of non fossil fuel vehicles, but at the same time recognizing that there is still a need for fossil fuel power plants while they transition to more green energies. Newsom also extended nuclear power generation. I actually feel nuclear power can be a relatively clean source of energy. Spent nuclear fuel rods can be recycled and reused for more power generation. Stupidly, the U.S. does not recycle nuclear fuel rods.

Critics say Newsom cut funding for homeless and drug addicts, but the truth is, he funneled the money into services such as mental health specialists and counselors, and also offering housing and supportive care. Of course, that meant cutting funding for existing care facilities, who are probably the biggest ones crying. The program was called Care Not Cash, and views as largely successful.

That's not to say he's been perfect, or hasn't failed in some of his projects, but I'd say he is infinitely more qualified than someone like Trump.

As a Californian I’m pretty ignorant on his accomplishments and policies but typically the positive rarely gets more attention than the negative.
 

akugami

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As a Californian I’m pretty ignorant on his accomplishments and policies but typically the positive rarely gets more attention than the negative.

Dammit, your comment got me sidetracked from doing work. My stupid mind ran down the rabbit trail, and next thing, I was Googling the movie Born in East L.A. and trying to watch it.
 
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Muse

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Just FYI, but those closure #s were for nationwide. Has nothing to do specifically with CA.
Yeah, Newsom has on the tip of his tongue why and how CA is light years ahead in this that and the other metric (it's in the video, which I've watched twice now). PuffStuff obviously didn't watch the video, believes what he wants to believe, can't be bothered with facts.
 

Muse

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That's not to say he's been perfect, or hasn't failed in some of his projects, but I'd say he is infinitely more qualified than someone like Trump.
Newsom is also remarkably eloquent, and I'm not talking about speeches, but in offhand remarks.

And, not a criticism of you (your post was quite impressive, I must say), comparing Newsom and Trump is like comparing planet earth to an asteroid. Or should I say, ass-teroid?
 
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MrSquished

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Newsom is also remarkably eloquent, and I'm not talking about speeches, but in offhand remarks.

And, not a criticism of you (your post was quite impressive, I must say), comparing Newsom and Trump is like comparing planet earth to an asteroid. Or should I say, ass-teroid?

This is why Democrats with a lot of name recognition like Newsom and Whitmer in Michigan should be in this thing called the primaries so we could get a more inspiring candidate in 2024, and part of that inspiration is with off the cuff remarks.
 

nakedfrog

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Sleepy Joe will probably win the nomination but none of the D's at the base where I work want him to. When it comes to the lgbtq community they have the same rights that I do and do not need special privileges or protections as there are plenty already on the books. Rod Desantis did the right thing when he enacted the law that prevents schools from indoctrinating children to alternative lifestyles.
What indoctrination are you talking about, specifically? Please provide examples.
I do not want them trying to force their lifestyles and views on me or mine just like I don't force people to hear about how I think they should own a gun, be able to turn a wrench on their own cars, fix a lawnmower or anything else of interest to me. Parents are responsible for raising their own kids and instilling values in them at home.
Who was forcing their lifestyles on you? Please provide examples.
The "views" you don't like are that we're not monstrosities, or perverts, or deviants.You're allowed to tell your kids how disgusting we are at home and at church, but school is not the appropriate venue for it. Gay teachers and parents exist, and their existence should be allowed to be acknowledged. Is this the "lifestyle forcing" you're talking about? Little Johnny has two dads and that's okay?
 
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fskimospy

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What indoctrination are you talking about, specifically? Please provide examples.

Who was forcing their lifestyles on you? Please provide examples.
The "views" you don't like are that we're not monstrosities, or perverts, or deviants.You're allowed to tell your kids how disgusting we are at home and at church, but school is not the appropriate venue for it. Gay teachers and parents exist, and their existence should be allowed to be acknowledged. Is this the "lifestyle forcing" you're talking about? Little Johnny has two dads and that's okay?
it’s kind of amusing that he doesn’t appear to realize he is forcing his lifestyle preferences on them.
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Parents are responsible for raising their own kids and instilling values in them at home.
- Its so weird how we can believe the same thing and yet arrive at such diametrically opposed final conclusions.

I have two kids, and I've told them in no uncertain terms that they are at all times expected to be polite, respectful, and kind to anyone they interact with outside of the house regardless of their appearance or personal beliefs (assuming of course these people are not a clear and present danger to them).

Every time I've ever gotten the "So and so has two moms" or "why are those two men kissing" and (I shit you not) "why are those people walking around dressed like animals (furries)" my answer has consistently been "because we're not all the same and the wonderful thing about this country is we're all allowed not to be the same. It makes life far more interesting when people see it through different eyes and can share that with each other. Now don't mind what those other people are doing and lets pay attention to [X}]".

Kids are turning out to be wonderful people that all their friend's parents love having over at their house because they're respectful, clean up after themselves, and follow the house rules.
 

Paratus

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What indoctrination are you talking about, specifically? Please provide examples.

Who was forcing their lifestyles on you? Please provide examples.
The "views" you don't like are that we're not monstrosities, or perverts, or deviants.You're allowed to tell your kids how disgusting we are at home and at church, but school is not the appropriate venue for it. Gay teachers and parents exist, and their existence should be allowed to be acknowledged. Is this the "lifestyle forcing" you're talking about? Little Johnny has two dads and that's okay?
I believe his issue is you guys (LGBTQ+) exist, he’s now hearing about it, and in a lot of the media he’s hearing about you it’s in a non-negative or empathetic light.

That doesn’t match well with his religious lifestyle of hating on “the other”.
 

Muse

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This is why Democrats with a lot of name recognition like Newsom and Whitmer in Michigan should be in this thing called the primaries so we could get a more inspiring candidate in 2024, and part of that inspiration is with off the cuff remarks.
There's no question in my mind. I think Newsom would outshine just about anyone. Obama got big focus when he delivered that address at the Democratic National Convention 4 years before he was elected, it was great. TBH, I think Newsom is a lot more eloquent than Obama, probably ever. Obama was what? The senator from Illinois. Governor of CA is a different kind of thing. Newsom has had a lot of political experience before that, which Obama didn't have. I just hit wikipedia. Member of the Illinois Senate.
 
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fskimospy

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Reality check here - unless Biden drops out Newsom is not running, primarily because he would lose. People here are doing the classic error where they think the electorate thinks the same way they do.

Not sure if you guys noticed but Biden performs better - in California - than Newsom does. Why is the ‘inspirational’ guy not able to outperform boring old Joe?
 

MrSquished

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Reality check here - unless Biden drops out Newsom is not running, primarily because he would lose. People here are doing the classic error where they think the electorate thinks the same way they do.

Not sure if you guys noticed but Biden performs better - in California - than Newsom does. Why is the ‘inspirational’ guy not able to outperform boring old Joe?

Reality check - that is what the primary process is all about - to get people onboard or offboard. I'm pretty sure the national electorate would respond well to a more youthful and fresh face along with more energy and better public appearances. Let the primaries find the best one.

Would you care for a reality check about Biden's numbers among Democrats and Independents these days? It's grim. It's not even a definite he would beat Trump, though more on the likely side.
 

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Reality check - that is what the primary process is all about - to get people onboard or offboard. I'm pretty sure the national electorate would respond well to a more youthful and fresh face along with more energy and better public appearances. Let the primaries find the best one.

Would you care for a reality check about Biden's numbers among Democrats and Independents these days? It's grim. It's not even a definite he would beat Trump, though more on the likely side.

The unfortunate reality is that this is not a game of rationality. If Biden gets primaried by a strong presence flying the Democrat flag it sends signals of weakness everywhere. You just don't fucking primary the incumbent of your own party.
 

MrSquished

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Reality check here - unless Biden drops out Newsom is not running, primarily because he would lose. People here are doing the classic error where they think the electorate thinks the same way they do.

Not sure if you guys noticed but Biden performs better - in California - than Newsom does. Why is the ‘inspirational’ guy not able to outperform boring old Joe?

Newsom's approval rating in Cali, 57% https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/gavin-newsom-hits-high-approval-17759693.php#:~:text=Gavin Newsom's approval rating is,was conducted, in October 2022.

Biden's approval rating in Cali, also 57% https://www.racetothewh.com/biden

So they are tied in California, so not sure why you are saying he performs better than him. Looks to be a statistical tie. Ask Greenman for the tiebreaker vote, he's smart.

Also the presidential race is not just run in California btw, and we know both Biden and Newsom would win California. You are looking way to micro for a macro question.
 

fskimospy

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Newsom's approval rating in Cali, 57% https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/gavin-newsom-hits-high-approval-17759693.php#:~:text=Gavin Newsom's approval rating is,was conducted, in October 2022.

Biden's approval rating in Cali, also 57% https://www.racetothewh.com/biden

So they are tied in California, so not sure where you are saying he performs better than him.

Also the presidential race is not just run in California btw, and we know both Biden and Newsom would win California. You are looking way to micro for a macro question.
I'm talking about actual election results where Biden won California by a wider margin than Newsom did.

If your thought is that despite performing worse than Biden in California that Newsom is going to perform better than Biden in places like Pennsylvania you're delusional.

It should also be noted that ‘inspire the base’ was the campaign strategy Trump used in 2020. It is, and always has been, a dumb strategy.
 
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