Gay DNA found

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Because the world doesn't revolve around you, me, or anyone else. That's why I have to deal with traffic in the morning that I don't like. Alot of people don't like a lot of things. I don't like it when people are judged on sexual orientation. But it happens. Should there be a law against everything I don't like?

PhillyTim already came in here and openly admitted that he checked out someone's penis while frequenting a restroom here in boston, there have also been more than a few cases where homosexual men have drilled holes into the bathroom stalls in local malls at penis height to watch patrons relieve themselves.....

While the world does not revolve around you or myself, the fact is that we as straight men and or fathers of boys (not myself but possibly) shouldn't have to worry about sex crazed individuals checking out their genitalia while using the facilities....

my question, what can be done that won't be labeled as segregation to remove this apparent problem from public restrooms....

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Wrong. Guys oogle at women all the time. The difference is it's accepted. Why do you think women wear revealing clothing? I have seen women walk around almost busting out of their tops, and skirts so short, well, you get the picture. Guys jaws will literally drop open at the site.

Piss in peace, and take it in stride that at least someone find you attractive, even if you aren't interested.

I SPECIFIALLY STATED IN THE RESTROOM....reading comprehension would help...

Straight Men ARE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE WOMENS RESTROOM without fear of a severe beating and or jail time....and even so womens restrooms all have stalls to conceal their activites....Mens restrooms have open urinals so it all can hang out...

this is vastly different from revealing clothing.

 

[PatboyX]

geez bozack, you made tim out to be some hardcore pervert.
he wasnt checking out kids. and people who are pedophiles are a completely different issue.
im not denying that people have drilled holes in bathroom walls to be voyueristic
but i do question your blanket assesment of that situation.

straight men are, in fact, allowed in womens bathrooms without the worry of being beaten or thrown in jail. ive been in quite a few and i have yet to get beaten for it or served any time.

your third problem appears to be with putting dividers up. so...maybe you should lobby to have manditory dividers up so no one gets a look at your junk.
please, this is a non-issue.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Because the world doesn't revolve around you, me, or anyone else. That's why I have to deal with traffic in the morning that I don't like. Alot of people don't like a lot of things. I don't like it when people are judged on sexual orientation. But it happens. Should there be a law against everything I don't like?

PhillyTim already came in here and openly admitted that he checked out someone's penis while frequenting a restroom here in boston, there have also been more than a few cases where homosexual men have drilled holes into the bathroom stalls in local malls at penis height to watch patrons relieve themselves.....

While the world does not revolve around you or myself, the fact is that we as straight men and or fathers of boys (not myself but possibly) shouldn't have to worry about sex crazed individuals checking out their genitalia while using the facilities....

my question, what can be done that won't be labeled as segregation to remove this apparent problem from public restrooms....

I agree with you 100%.

PhillyTim is a pervert. They come in all shapes, sizes, and sexual orientations. Including women.

There have been cases where people drill holes and install cameras in walls to watch women, men and kids. But do you really think seperating gays from straights in the bathroom will solve that? Why?

But there are sex crazed straight, gay, bi and everything in between people.
If you are worried about kids, then you need to worry about a different classification of people. Not homosexuals.
And what are you so worried about? If someone checks you out at the bathroom, and it really bothers you that much, tell them to stop. Oh you shouldn't have to? Then don't. Oh you want them to stop though? Tell them to stop.
Homosexuals are not going to register to be segregated from society.

 

[Moonbeam]

bozack is just worried he doesn't measure up and even gays aren't interested.

LMK, love you too or I wouldn't waste my time educating you.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: PatboyX
geez bozack, you made tim out to be some hardcore pervert.
he wasnt checking out kids. and people who are pedophiles are a completely different issue.
im not denying that people have drilled holes in bathroom walls to be voyueristic
but i do question your blanket assesment of that situation.

straight men are, in fact, allowed in womens bathrooms without the worry of being beaten or thrown in jail. ive been in quite a few and i have yet to get beaten for it or served any time.

your third problem appears to be with putting dividers up. so...maybe you should lobby to have manditory dividers up so no one gets a look at your junk.
please, this is a non-issue.

So you would suggest that someone who checks out someone else who is unaware especially in a setting like a public restroom isn't a pervert??

I just threw the other examples in there as just that, examples....I in no way said that Tim was drilling holes or looking at children but facts are facts and this sort of activity has happened in the not to distant past locally.

Also I wonder what the circumstances surrounding your entrance into a womans bathroom were, I would be willing to bet that if a police officer saw you entering into a womans rest room and start checking out ladies under the stalls then there might be some reprocussions.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Wrong. Guys oogle at women all the time. The difference is it's accepted. Why do you think women wear revealing clothing? I have seen women walk around almost busting out of their tops, and skirts so short, well, you get the picture. Guys jaws will literally drop open at the site.

Piss in peace, and take it in stride that at least someone find you attractive, even if you aren't interested.

I SPECIFIALLY STATED IN THE RESTROOM....reading comprehension would help...

Straight Men ARE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE WOMENS RESTROOM without fear of a severe beating and or jail time....and even so womens restrooms all have stalls to conceal their activites....Mens restrooms have open urinals so it all can hang out...

this is vastly different from revealing clothing.

I'd guess many of our Marines, sailors, pilots, infantrymen, etc. are guilty of catching glimpses (or more) of others in the showers. Suppose they'd all better be quiet lest they break that Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.



Geez....must be so AWFUL for you going into the stalls every time you have to take a leak just so in the off-chance that one of those 2% of all Americans that are gay males happens to catch a glimpse of your package.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

I agree with you 100%.

PhillyTim is a pervert. They come in all shapes, sizes, and sexual orientations. Including women.

There have been cases where people drill holes and install cameras in walls to watch women, men and kids. But do you really think seperating gays from straights in the bathroom will solve that? Why?

But there are sex crazed straight, gay, bi and everything in between people.
If you are worried about kids, then you need to worry about a different classification of people. Not homosexuals.
And what are you so worried about? If someone checks you out at the bathroom, and it really bothers you that much, tell them to stop. Oh you shouldn't have to? Then don't. Oh you want them to stop though? Tell them to stop.
Homosexuals are not going to register to be segregated from society.

Will it solve all cases, most certainly not but it would make it much more difficult to do so....

I am not worried about someone checking me out in the facility however in the same token I would rather not want to worry about it, nor would I want to deal with having to tell someone to stop checking me out....why everyone cannot follow Red's simple stare straight ahead at the wall and MYOFB is beyond me...but Philly clearly stated that he doesn't and it only leads me to wonder how many others are like him

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
bozack is just worried he doesn't measure up and even gays aren't interested.

Nice try moonie, as long as my wife is happy then that is all that matters and last I checked there were no complaints, I could care less if some homosexual didn't think I had a monster wang.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
I'd guess many of our Marines, sailors, pilots, infantrymen, etc. are guilty of catching glimpses (or more) of others in the showers. Suppose they'd all better be quiet lest they break that Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.

Geez....must be so AWFUL for you going into the stalls every time you have to take a leak just so in the off-chance that one of those 2% of all Americans that are gay males happens to catch a glimpse of your package.

Just saying that it really isn't something that anyone SHOULD have to worry about, however after reading comments from people like PhillyTim and seeing the various activities which go on locally it is hard not to.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Wrong. Guys oogle at women all the time. The difference is it's accepted. Why do you think women wear revealing clothing? I have seen women walk around almost busting out of their tops, and skirts so short, well, you get the picture. Guys jaws will literally drop open at the site.

Piss in peace, and take it in stride that at least someone find you attractive, even if you aren't interested.

I SPECIFIALLY STATED IN THE RESTROOM....reading comprehension would help...

Straight Men ARE NOT ALLOWED INTO THE WOMENS RESTROOM without fear of a severe beating and or jail time....and even so womens restrooms all have stalls to conceal their activites....Mens restrooms have open urinals so it all can hang out...

this is vastly different from revealing clothing.

We seperate men and women because of their physical differences, not sexual preferences. Not all societies do.
If you don't like the way things are, go into the stall, or wait until you get home.
I personally will not use a urinal without a divider. I don't want people checking me out either. It's not that big of a deal, I will just go to a stall or hold it. You need to learn that once you walk out of the safety of your home, you are putting yourself in societies view. Whether that view is good intentioned or bad, that's a risk you take. That is life. Don't feel so ashamed to have someone see your goods. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
I'd guess many of our Marines, sailors, pilots, infantrymen, etc. are guilty of catching glimpses (or more) of others in the showers. Suppose they'd all better be quiet lest they break that Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.

Geez....must be so AWFUL for you going into the stalls every time you have to take a leak just so in the off-chance that one of those 2% of all Americans that are gay males happens to catch a glimpse of your package.

Just saying that it really isn't something that anyone SHOULD have to worry about, however after reading comments from people like PhillyTim and seeing the various activities which go on locally it is hard not to.

Why worry about it? I don't understand.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
I'd guess many of our Marines, sailors, pilots, infantrymen, etc. are guilty of catching glimpses (or more) of others in the showers. Suppose they'd all better be quiet lest they break that Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.

Geez....must be so AWFUL for you going into the stalls every time you have to take a leak just so in the off-chance that one of those 2% of all Americans that are gay males happens to catch a glimpse of your package.

Just saying that it really isn't something that anyone SHOULD have to worry about, however after reading comments from people like PhillyTim and seeing the various activities which go on locally it is hard not to

And how is your life affected? What about stares and ogling you receive walking down a street from a gay guy?


You might as well hole up in your basement and start ordering everything you need via the Internet lest a gay man leer at you! :Q

 

[LordMagnusKain]

nope, the question in the end is:
Is homosexual sex moral.

if you've come to this believing that it's not, then you'll realize that there are a lot of genetic predispositions for immoral activities

If you don?t' think it's immoral then you must wonder what all the fuss is about.

In the end it's not about 2 guys or girls, it's about the reestablishment and support of traditional sexual morality. Extramarital sex, along with homosexual sex, are both wrongs that society shouldn't glorify or encourage in any way.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
nope, the question in the end is:
Is homosexual sex moral.

if you've come to this believing that it's not, then you'll realize that there are a lot of genetic predispositions for immoral activities

If you don?t' think it's immoral then you must wonder what all the fuss is about.

In the end it's not about 2 guys or girls, it's about the reestablishment and support of traditional sexual morality. Extramarital sex, along with homosexual sex, are both wrongs that society shouldn't glorify or encourage in any way.

Very simple. It's moral if the two parties are engaging in consensual sex. If not, then it's rape and, therefore, immoral.

Any other qualifications you want to place on it are based upon bigoted notions (most likely drawn from fundamental views of the Bible.)

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Very simple. It's moral if the two parties are engaging in consensual sex. If not, then it's rape and, therefore, immoral.

Any other qualifications you want to place on it are based upon bigoted notions (most likely drawn from fundamental views of the Bible.)

No, I believe you're confusing 'moral' with 'legal'.

What is 'moral' is in the eye of the beholder, so it can't really be argued. What is ethical, on the other hand, can be argued. As I mentioned in an OT thread, sexuality has two purposes: creating unity in a relationship and procreation. If a sex act violates either of these, then it's unethical. You can try to dismiss this as bigotry if you want, but your qualification to do so would be based on your own ignorance.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
nope, the question in the end is:
Is homosexual sex moral.

if you've come to this believing that it's not, then you'll realize that there are a lot of genetic predispositions for immoral activities

If you don?t' think it's immoral then you must wonder what all the fuss is about.

In the end it's not about 2 guys or girls, it's about the reestablishment and support of traditional sexual morality. Extramarital sex, along with homosexual sex, are both wrongs that society shouldn't glorify or encourage in any way.

Wrong is a perception of an event, an opinion. Nothing more.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Very simple. It's moral if the two parties are engaging in consensual sex. If not, then it's rape and, therefore, immoral.

Any other qualifications you want to place on it are based upon bigoted notions (most likely drawn from fundamental views of the Bible.)

No, I believe you're confusing 'moral' with 'legal'.

What is 'moral' is in the eye of the beholder, so it can't really be argued. What is ethical, on the other hand, can be argued. As I mentioned in an OT thread, sexuality has two purposes: creating unity in a relationship and procreation. If a sex act violates either of these, then it's unethical. You can try to dismiss this as bigotry if you want, but your qualification to do so would be based on your own ignorance.

Ethics are based on morality and opinions. So both are in the eye of the beholder.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: PatboyX
geez bozack, you made tim out to be some hardcore pervert.
he wasnt checking out kids. and people who are pedophiles are a completely different issue.
im not denying that people have drilled holes in bathroom walls to be voyueristic
but i do question your blanket assesment of that situation.

straight men are, in fact, allowed in womens bathrooms without the worry of being beaten or thrown in jail. ive been in quite a few and i have yet to get beaten for it or served any time.

your third problem appears to be with putting dividers up. so...maybe you should lobby to have manditory dividers up so no one gets a look at your junk.
please, this is a non-issue.

So you would suggest that someone who checks out someone else who is unaware especially in a setting like a public restroom isn't a pervert??

I just threw the other examples in there as just that, examples....I in no way said that Tim was drilling holes or looking at children but facts are facts and this sort of activity has happened in the not to distant past locally.

Also I wonder what the circumstances surrounding your entrance into a womans bathroom were, I would be willing to bet that if a police officer saw you entering into a womans rest room and start checking out ladies under the stalls then there might be some reprocussions.

1. no. tim isnt a pervert for getting a glance at another guys d. or for enjoying it. i would call that "human"
2. i was just asking if you had articles or proof of your examples. not for proof that tim was involved in it.
3. i entered the bathroom cause there were too many damn guys on line for the other one. in fact, the police did see me at belmar beach in south jersey but they didnt seem to give a damn. and i didnt go in there looking under stalls, i went in there to piss. but i did see some attractive ladies. and i had thoughts about them...which they knew nothing of.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Very simple. It's moral if the two parties are engaging in consensual sex. If not, then it's rape and, therefore, immoral.

Any other qualifications you want to place on it are based upon bigoted notions (most likely drawn from fundamental views of the Bible.)

No, I believe you're confusing 'moral' with 'legal'.

What is 'moral' is in the eye of the beholder, so it can't really be argued. What is ethical, on the other hand, can be argued. As I mentioned in an OT thread, sexuality has two purposes: creating unity in a relationship and procreation. If a sex act violates either of these, then it's unethical. You can try to dismiss this as bigotry if you want, but your qualification to do so would be based on your own ignorance.

No. You're trying to project your version of morality (again, likely based on religious views) onto others.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
We seperate men and women because of their physical differences, not sexual preferences. Not all societies do.
If you don't like the way things are, go into the stall, or wait until you get home.
I personally will not use a urinal without a divider. I don't want people checking me out either. It's not that big of a deal, I will just go to a stall or hold it. You need to learn that once you walk out of the safety of your home, you are putting yourself in societies view. Whether that view is good intentioned or bad, that's a risk you take. That is life. Don't feel so ashamed to have someone see your goods. It's not that big of a deal.

I personally think it has a little more to do with sexual differences and "urges" than simply physical differences...if it were simply a case of physical differences then we could simply have communal bathrooms and use all stalls.

I am somewhat like you in that I prefer to use the divider however if the urge is great enough then I will make due with what is available...I also am not ashamed of having anyone see my goods but preferably I would only want that to happen when it is invited not when someone sneaks a peak, especially somoene I don't want to.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur
And how is your life affected? What about stares and ogling you receive walking down a street from a gay guy?


You might as well hole up in your basement and start ordering everything you need via the Internet lest a gay man leer at you! :Q

it is invasion of privacy plain and simple. Also there is as stated before a big difference between someone checking you out as you are walking down the street fully clothed and presentable to the general public vs when you have your wanker out and are taking a piss, if you cannot see that then we have larger issues to discuss.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

1. no. tim isnt a pervert for getting a glance at another guys d. or for enjoying it. i would call that "human"
2. i was just asking if you had articles or proof of your examples. not for proof that tim was involved in it.
3. i entered the bathroom cause there were too many damn guys on line for the other one. in fact, the police did see me at belmar beach in south jersey but they didnt seem to give a damn. and i didnt go in there looking under stalls, i went in there to piss. but i did see some attractive ladies. and i had thoughts about them...which they knew nothing of.

1. Yes he is a pervert as he was looking at someone without their consent, not only was it perverted but also rude...now if he were looking at a homosexual porno or someone who openly flashed him his unit then that is a different story....

2. What articles do you want a net link, I have visited the malls, I have seen the holes in the stalls, I have heard the stories on the local news a few years back....

3. did you see the ladies naked? did you see them pulling down their panties? did you go out of your way to check out their goods as Tim seems to have?? also if there were all stalls for men as well then this might not be as easily accomplished...and as said before if a woman in there did make a stink about it you can bet your ass that a cop would have been all over you like white on rice.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
We seperate men and women because of their physical differences, not sexual preferences. Not all societies do.
If you don't like the way things are, go into the stall, or wait until you get home.
I personally will not use a urinal without a divider. I don't want people checking me out either. It's not that big of a deal, I will just go to a stall or hold it. You need to learn that once you walk out of the safety of your home, you are putting yourself in societies view. Whether that view is good intentioned or bad, that's a risk you take. That is life. Don't feel so ashamed to have someone see your goods. It's not that big of a deal.

I personally think it has a little more to do with sexual differences and "urges" than simply physical differences...if it were simply a case of physical differences then we could simply have communal bathrooms and use all stalls.

I am somewhat like you in that I prefer to use the divider however if the urge is great enough then I will make due with what is available...I also am not ashamed of having anyone see my goods but preferably I would only want that to happen when it is invited not when someone sneaks a peak, especially somoene I don't want to.

Some places do have one bathroom for both sexes. It's become accepted in America to have two seperate bathrooms, although I don't see the need. You will always have perverts out there. Male and female. Old and young.
If a certain bathroom doesn't have the specifications you prefer, go to another one, or hold it.
But this has nothing to do with homosexuality.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
And how is your life affected? What about stares and ogling you receive walking down a street from a gay guy?


You might as well hole up in your basement and start ordering everything you need via the Internet lest a gay man leer at you! :Q

it is invasion of privacy plain and simple. Also there is as stated before a big difference between someone checking you out as you are walking down the street fully clothed and presentable to the general public vs when you have your wanker out and are taking a piss, if you cannot see that then we have larger issues to discuss.

What if a straight guy checks you out just because he's curious? Are you going to start interrogating everyone that takes a piss next to you? Make them fill out a questionnaire before they can unzip their fly?