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MCWAR

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I could care less if some one is gay or not. But if gay is genetic like down syndrome and other genetic problems, it just go's to show your not wired quite right. Mother nature makes all kinds of genetic flaws. But by the same token it should show the hard core biggots that the gays cant help their attractions and should not be bashed. But it is good evidence for not allowing gay adoptions.
 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: abj13
Originally posted by: Trevelyan

It is downright idiotic to claim that genetics are the cause of a person's sexual orientation.

I didn't make an "idiotic" claim like that. Don't be putting words in people's mouths. I guess you don't understand the difference when I say "biology" vs genetic. Genetic is a subsection of biology, as is behavior. Yet when people say its "choice," they are implying that choice is just that, without a biological cue, which IMO is incorrect.

which lifestyle encompassing choices don't have a biological cue? does that make something unavoidable?

my quote of the CRG was to point out that they find such discussions a waste of time. sexuality is a social issue, not a genetic issue... so, by that notion it is a scientific waste of time.

 

conjur

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Well I'll be!

Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheromones
http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050509/ap_on_he_me/homosexual_brains
WASHINGTON - Gay men's brains respond differently from those of heterosexual males when exposed to a sexual stimulus, researchers have found. The homosexual men's brains responded more like those of women when the men sniffed a chemical from the male hormone testosterone.

"It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.

Witelson, who was not part of the research team, said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.

The study, published in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was done by researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden.

They exposed heterosexual men and women and homosexual men to chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones.

These chemicals are thought to be pheromones ? molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: alchemize
Well that's good news. Now a cure can be found.

I hope not. I want more gay men. It means more women for the rest of us!

No, more gay man is to dangerous for the rest of us.
 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: conjur
Well I'll be!

Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheromones
http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050509/ap_on_he_me/homosexual_brains
WASHINGTON - Gay men's brains respond differently from those of heterosexual males when exposed to a sexual stimulus, researchers have found. The homosexual men's brains responded more like those of women when the men sniffed a chemical from the male hormone testosterone.

"It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned," said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.

Witelson, who was not part of the research team, said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.

The study, published in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was done by researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden.

They exposed heterosexual men and women and homosexual men to chemicals derived from male and female sex hormones.

These chemicals are thought to be pheromones ? molecules known to trigger responses such as defense and sex in many animals.


smell an onion, and smell a turkey sandwich. both are edible, both are even nutritious. would a repulsion of one and appitite for another negate someone's choosing to eat the sandwich and can the onion?
 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: conjur
Let's stick to apples-to-apples comparisons? mmkay?

KTHXBYE!


well, that's not limited to simple desire to eat. the mouth waters, the stomach grumbles, a pallate is aquired based on food received in the womb. how is that off? can a man's psychological attraction to another man form connections in the brain over time that would result in such a reaction? i think so.

that doesn't eliminate environmental factors from the equation. so a guy likes the smell of nuts to beav..... how is that genetic?

*edit* :beer: for conjur for not pulling a rip and starting a new thread with his link.
 

slurmsmackenzie

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also...

"Reactions such as blushing indicate that cognitive, or thinking, centers of the brain are also involved in autonomic responses."

Encyclopedia Article from Encarta
Contributed By:
Arthur W. Toga, B.S., M.S., Ph.D.
Professor, Department of Neurology, and Codirector, Division of Brain Mapping, Neuropsychiatric Institute, University of California at Los Angeles

so, it seems to me that autonomic responses can be created based on the part of the brain that relates to experience. huh

 

nageov3t

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bumping this thread for an interesting NYTimes article. not worth starting a whole new thread over

from: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html

Sniffing Out the Gay Gene

By STEVEN PINKER
Published: May 17, 2005
Cambridge, Mass.

It sounds like something out of the satirical journal Annals of Improbable Research: a team of Swedish neuroscientists scanned people's brains as they smelled a testosterone derivative found in men's sweat and an estrogen-like compound found in women's urine. In heterosexual men, a part of the hypothalamus (the seat of physical drives) responded to the female compound but not the male one; in heterosexual women and homosexual men, it was the other way around. But the discovery is more than just a shoo-in for that journal's annual Ig Nobel Prize - it raises provocative questions about the science and ethics of human sexuality.

Scientists and perfume marketers who believe that humans, like other mammals, respond sexually to chemical signals called pheromones were cheered by the news. But we are a long way from dogs in heat. The role of pheromones in our sexuality must be small at best. When people want to be titillated or to check out a prospective partner, most seek words or pictures, not dirty laundry.

The difference in the brain responses of gay and straight men does not, by itself, prove that homosexuality is innate; after all, learned inclinations, like innate ones, must reside somewhere in the brain. But in this case nature probably does trump nurture. Gay men generally report that their homosexual attractions began as soon as they felt sexual stirrings before adolescence. And homosexuality is more concordant in identical than in fraternal twins, suggesting that their shared genes play a role. Homosexuality is a puzzle for biology, not because homosexuality itself is evolutionarily maladaptive (though no more so than any other sexual act that does not result in conception), but because any genetic tendency to avoid heterosexual opportunities should have been selected out long ago. Perhaps "gay genes" have some other compensating advantage, like enhancing fertility, when they are carried by women. Perhaps the environments that set off homosexuality today didn't exist while our genes were being selected. Or perhaps the main cause is biological yet not directly genetic, like differences in hormones or antibodies that affect the fetus while it is developing.

Just as puzzling is the existence of homophobia. Why didn't evolution shape straight men to react to their gay fellows by thinking: "Great! More women for me!" Probably the answer lies in a cross-wiring between our senses of morality and disgust. People often confuse their own revulsion with objective sinfulness, as when they dehumanize people living in squalor or, in the other direction, engage in religious rituals of cleanliness and purification. An impulse to avoid homosexual contact may blur into an impulse to condemn homosexuality.

Cultural conservatives like the talk-show host Dr. Laura Schlesinger ostensibly condemn homosexuality for another reason - that it is a "biological error." Actually, it is she who has made the biological error. What is evolutionarily adaptive and what is morally justifiable have little to do with each other. Many laudable activities - being faithful to one's spouse, turning the other cheek, treating every child as precious, loving thy neighbor as thyself - are "biological errors" and are rare or unknown in the natural world.

It's not just anti-gay commentators who see a moral coloring in the biology of homosexuality. Some gay groups condemn such research because it could stigmatize gay people as defective and lead to a day in which parents could selectively abort children with "gay genes." Others welcome the research because it shows that people don't "choose" to be gay and hence can't be criticized for it, nor could homosexuals convert the children in their classrooms or Scout troops even if they wanted to.

It may not be a coincidence that the new discovery came from researchers in Europe. In America, the biology of homosexuality is a politicized minefield that scares away scientists (and the universities and agencies that pay for their research). Which is a pity. Regardless of where homosexuality resides in the brain, the ethics of homosexuality is a no-brainer: what consenting adults do in private is nobody's business but their own. And the deterrents to research on homosexuality leave us in ignorance of one of the most fascinating sources of human diversity.

Steven Pinker, a professor of cognitive science at Harvard, is the author of "How the Mind Works" and "The Blank Slate."
 

sothsegger

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I heard that Ann Coulter had a sex change operation. Yep! She's a trannie. Used to be Andrew Coulter.
 

BushBasha

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
365gay.com is now a valid news site? Is anyone else picking up this story?

I wish I would have checked the link before I clicked...filter at work blocked the site, and I hope I don't have to explain why I tried to visit gay porn sites
 
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