Gay DNA found

[LordMagnusKain]

having homosexual sex is still a choice.

There are also alcoholic genes, doesn't mean that it's right to be a drunk.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well that's good news. Now a cure can be found.

God I do hope my sarc-O-meter is on the fritz today.

Why? Don't you think that there will be some gays who want to be "cured"? Would you deny their rights?

Don't you think there will be parents, who given the choice for some genetic switch-flipping before birth, would not want their children to be gay? Would you deny their rights?

I wouldn't want to be heterosexual. Being attracted to other males has always felt entirely natural and appropriate for me. I feel bad for gay people who have been conned into thinking they are somehow ill or immoral or of less worth than a heterosexually oriented person.

Certainly your perrogative - but do you speak for all gays? That was my question - would you deny the rights of those who don't want to remain gay? (or parents)

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
having homosexual sex is still a choice.

There are also alcoholic genes, doesn't mean that it's right to be a drunk.

That's a pretty rediculous comparison.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

Like Womens Fashion Designers, Interior Decorators and Hair Dressers on Fire!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

I'm very curious as to what you perceive the advantages are.

/resisting all urges to come up with comedic commentary

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

I'm not trying to slam on homosexuals but WISHING for gay children seems almost cruel. I don't know what world you live in but being gay isn't exactly easy. We don't live in a very gay friendly World right now.

It seems like you are making some pretty broad generalizations about homosexuals here as well. Break down the "advantages" to one sexual orientation over another. I have no problems with homosexuals in any sense but I see far more advantages in being heterosexual from a personal perspective. I'll try to start a list of advantages to homosexuality...

1. these people won't be increasing the population
2. less competition for me

I can't see any advantages from the individuals point of view - I mean if you are gay that's just the way it is. There is no reason not to live a happy and productive life; I'm just saying that given the choice it seems being straight would be a lot easier on the individual as things are now.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

I'm not trying to slam on homosexuals but WISHING for gay children seems almost cruel. I don't know what world you live in but being gay isn't exactly easy. We don't live in a very gay friendly World right now.

It seems like you are making some pretty broad generalizations about homosexuals here as well. Break down the "advantages" to one sexual orientation over another. I have no problems with homosexuals in any sense but I see far more advantages in being heterosexual from a personal perspective. I'll try to start a list of advantages to homosexuality...

1. these people won't be increasing the population
2. less competition for me

I can't see any advantages from the individuals point of view - I mean if you are gay that's just the way it is. There is no reason not to live a happy and productive life; I'm just saying that given the choice it seems being straight would be a lot easier on the individual as things are now.

I don't necessarily think the easiest path in life is always the best. Gay people are forced to be outsiders. That can be burden and a gift. It does give you a particular vantage point from which to view the mainstream. We get to see 'you' for what you really are - hateful, bigoted creeps masquerading as decent people. I would never have had that clarity of vision if I was heterosexual. In fact, I'd probably be a bigot just like most people.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

I'm not trying to slam on homosexuals but WISHING for gay children seems almost cruel. I don't know what world you live in but being gay isn't exactly easy. We don't live in a very gay friendly World right now.

It seems like you are making some pretty broad generalizations about homosexuals here as well. Break down the "advantages" to one sexual orientation over another. I have no problems with homosexuals in any sense but I see far more advantages in being heterosexual from a personal perspective. I'll try to start a list of advantages to homosexuality...

1. these people won't be increasing the population
2. less competition for me

I can't see any advantages from the individuals point of view - I mean if you are gay that's just the way it is. There is no reason not to live a happy and productive life; I'm just saying that given the choice it seems being straight would be a lot easier on the individual as things are now.

You think the easiest path in life is always the best? Gay people have the gift (and burden) of being outsiders. As a consequence we get to see 'you' (the mainstream) for what you REALLY are - hateful, bigoted creeps masquerading as decent people. I would never have had that clarity of vision if I was heterosexual. In fact, I'd probably be a bigot just like you. There are other benefits, but I'm not sure I want to discuss them with you or others on this forum.

So in other words, you've been gifted with an "open mind", but don't want to talk about it and think we are all bigots?

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

I'm not trying to slam on homosexuals but WISHING for gay children seems almost cruel. I don't know what world you live in but being gay isn't exactly easy. We don't live in a very gay friendly World right now.

It seems like you are making some pretty broad generalizations about homosexuals here as well. Break down the "advantages" to one sexual orientation over another. I have no problems with homosexuals in any sense but I see far more advantages in being heterosexual from a personal perspective. I'll try to start a list of advantages to homosexuality...

1. these people won't be increasing the population
2. less competition for me

I can't see any advantages from the individuals point of view - I mean if you are gay that's just the way it is. There is no reason not to live a happy and productive life; I'm just saying that given the choice it seems being straight would be a lot easier on the individual as things are now.

You think the easiest path in life is always the best? Gay people are forced to be outsiders. That is a gift and burden. It does give you a particular vantage point from which to view the mainstream. We see you for what you really are - hateful, bigoted creeps masquerading as decent people. I would never have had that clarity of vision if I was heterosexual. In fact, I'd probably be a bigot just like you. There are other benefits, but I'm not sure I want to discuss them with you or others on this forum.

So you seem a little defensive here. Tommunist asked a reasonbale question. A homosexuals life is harder than a heterosexuals. Asking what the benefits are is not bigoted. He was asking to try and understand your point of view.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So in other words, you've been gifted with an "open mind", but don't want to talk about it and think we are all bigots?

I reworded my comments, I didn't phrase my thoughts in a very clear manner.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well that's good news. Now a cure can be found.

God I do hope my sarc-O-meter is on the fritz today.

Why? Don't you think that there will be some gays who want to be "cured"? Would you deny their rights?

Don't you think there will be parents, who given the choice for some genetic switch-flipping before birth, would not want their children to be gay? Would you deny their rights?

I guess you're the type that prefers to 'play God' and essentially tweak and program a baby to a person's delight.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I wonder what this will do with the Radical Religious Christain Right that is so Anti-Gay???

Doesn't this say that "God" has built in "Homosexuality" ???

They don't believe in Science and "Evolution" so this has to be Gods work. <shrugs>

Edit: Also this should give Gays the same "inalienable" rights as anyone else for marriage, health etc.
Wasn't the premise of the Christains that it was 110% Gay choice to be Gay and that was their reason for them being so against it???

I don't think it so much says that God built in homosexuality as it just goes to highlight that male and female genes aren't so different and that yes, sometimes they don't always assemble in the exact same order, leading some men to have the genes for being attracted to men and presumably the same goes true for women.

Although, I tend to believe that bisexuality is just the *natural* course for women

Jason

 

[ReiAyanami]

is there also probably a set of genes for gay pedophilia?

or in other words, how can nature justify michael jackson's existence?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
having homosexual sex is still a choice.

There are also alcoholic genes, doesn't mean that it's right to be a drunk.

That's a pretty rediculous comparison.

well supported argument you've got there.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: aidanjm


I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

And the bright side about gays is that not too many of them reproduce. COuld be an "Overpopulation" solution right there. I bet China would jump all over this if they could make more of their Boys into Boi's

Jason

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: alchemize
Well that's good news. Now a cure can be found.

God I do hope my sarc-O-meter is on the fritz today.

Why? Don't you think that there will be some gays who want to be "cured"? Would you deny their rights?

Don't you think there will be parents, who given the choice for some genetic switch-flipping before birth, would not want their children to be gay? Would you deny their rights?

I guess you're the type that prefers to 'play God' and essentially tweak and program a baby to a person's delight.

Do you support "abortion rights"?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So in other words, you've been gifted with an "open mind", but don't want to talk about it and think we are all bigots?

Well, he did say an open *MIND*, not an open *mouth* Hey, wait a second...

Jason

 

[Starbuck1975]

I would think that the last thing the gay community would want is for homosexuality to be linked to DNA...in order for a species to survive, it must engage in procreation...while the miracles of modern science do enable homosexuals to procreate, or other social arrangements for having children, the orientation of homosexuality runs against the necessary attraction of males to females in a species...that homosexuality could potentially have DNA origins opens the door for conversations about homosexuality also being a genetic mutation that can in fact be cured.

There is a distinction between homosexual orientation and being a homosexual...one does not have to engage in homosexual sex to be gay...similarly, heterosexual people can and have engaged in homosexual behavior.

The lines are not distinct, it is not black and white, and homosexuality is probably linked to a number of factors that include genetics, social conditioning and environment.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
is there also probably a set of genes for gay pedophilia?

or in other words, how can nature justify michael jackson's existence?

Nature doesn't justify *anything*, it just does what it does.

Jason

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: aidanjm

I'm not sure. I must admit, if the option was there I would definitely choose gay over heterosexual kids. On average I think the benefits of homosexuality far outweigh the disadvantages. If there are multiple genetic and early hormonal factors involved in the development of sexual orientation, this choice won't come up any time soon, anyway. The thought of a world without gay people is terribly sad to me. I also think it is sad that heterosexuals are so incapable of appreciating the many gifts, talents, attributes gay people bring to our society.

I'm not trying to slam on homosexuals but WISHING for gay children seems almost cruel. I don't know what world you live in but being gay isn't exactly easy. We don't live in a very gay friendly World right now.

It seems like you are making some pretty broad generalizations about homosexuals here as well. Break down the "advantages" to one sexual orientation over another. I have no problems with homosexuals in any sense but I see far more advantages in being heterosexual from a personal perspective. I'll try to start a list of advantages to homosexuality...

1. these people won't be increasing the population
2. less competition for me

I can't see any advantages from the individuals point of view - I mean if you are gay that's just the way it is. There is no reason not to live a happy and productive life; I'm just saying that given the choice it seems being straight would be a lot easier on the individual as things are now.

I don't necessarily think the easiest path in life is always the best. Gay people are forced to be outsiders. That can be burden and a gift. It does give you a particular vantage point from which to view the mainstream. We get to see 'you' for what you really are - hateful, bigoted creeps masquerading as decent people. I would never have had that clarity of vision if I was heterosexual. In fact, I'd probably be a bigot just like most people.

We get to see 'you' for what you really are - hateful, bigoted creeps masquerading as decent people.

Way to be the pot calling the kettle black

Since I'm just some "hateful, bigoted creep masquerading as (a) decent" person I guess my opinion doesn't matter.....

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
having homosexual sex is still a choice.

There are also alcoholic genes, doesn't mean that it's right to be a drunk.

That's a pretty rediculous comparison.

well supported argument you've got there.

everyone would agree that being a drunk is a bad thing.

not everyone would agree that homosexual sex is a bad thing - I have to wonder why you care what other people do in their bedrooms.

(I figured this was pretty obvious).

 

[Infohawk]

Can someone remind me who the regular here was who said that when proof for gayness being hardcoded came out they would support gay rights?

It does raise interesting questions about future genetic engineering and child selection.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I wonder what this will do with the Radical Religious Christain Right that is so Anti-Gay???

Doesn't this say that "God" has built in "Homosexuality" ???

They don't believe in Science and "Evolution" so this has to be Gods work. <shrugs>

Edit: Also this should give Gays the same "inalienable" rights as anyone else for marriage, health etc.
Wasn't the premise of the Christains that it was 110% Gay choice to be Gay and that was their reason for them being so against it???

I don't think it so much says that God built in homosexuality as it just goes to highlight that male and female genes aren't so different and that yes, sometimes they don't always assemble in the exact same order, leading some men to have the genes for being attracted to men and presumably the same goes true for women.

Where in the article was it mentioned gay men have "female genes" for sexual orientation? That's a half-assed assumption imo. The genes in question probably aren't directly coding for sexual orientation. They are simply associated with sexual orientation, and the association is possibly indirect.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I would think that the last thing the gay community would want is for homosexuality to be linked to DNA...in order for a species to survive, it must engage in procreation...while the miracles of modern science do enable homosexuals to procreate, or other social arrangements for having children, the orientation of homosexuality runs against the necessary attraction of males to females in a species...that homosexuality could potentially have DNA origins opens the door for conversations about homosexuality also being a genetic mutation that can in fact be cured.

There is a distinction between homosexual orientation and being a homosexual...one does not have to engage in homosexual sex to be gay...similarly, heterosexual people can and have engaged in homosexual behavior.

The lines are not distinct, it is not black and white, and homosexuality is probably linked to a number of factors that include genetics, social conditioning and environment.

I always figured in reality everyone is "sexual" compass (kind of like the political compass). One axis is the fully straight to fully gay axis and the other is the fully sexual to fully asexual axis. Most people won't be at any extremem but perhaps people generally choose to express whichever side they tend to lean towards. I suppose bisexuals would be be people close to the middle of the gay/straight range.

As someone else stated - the genetics for homosexuality in men could be carried in women so there will most likely always be homosexuals (which I see no problem with). Since the human species is having no problem maintaining a population there is plenty of room for even more homosexuals. I don't see it has something that has to be "cured." If the entire population became gay somehow there would always be artificial insemination

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
is there also probably a set of genes for gay pedophilia?

or in other words, how can nature justify michael jackson's existence?

Is there a set of genes for heterosexual pedophilia? That's a more pressing concern, I would have thought, afterall it DOES represent the most common form of sexual abuse of children. I wonder, also, if there is a set of genes for rape. A heterosexual man rapes a woman every 18 seconds in the USA.