Gay Jews kicked out of pride parade

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alien42

Lifer
Nov 28, 2004
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The left are hypocrites just as much as the right.

I don't see them stopping America's imperialist policies. I don't see them stopping the mega corporations from growing even more. I could go on and on but it doesn't matter.

Both sides are totally empty and worthless.

yet another false equivalency.

btw, are you an anarchist?
 

raildogg

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Aug 24, 2004
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alien42,

I don't think it's inconsistent when I say both sides are heavily controlled, flawed and are totally worthless. I'm not taking this thread's subject into account here. That is a non-story - just some distraction the media spits out.

I don't like to put labels on others or myself when I don't have to. The systems of control we have in place are only favorable to those who have designed them or to those who are already well entrenched in them. Thanks.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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The whole point of pride is everyone is welcome. Why the fuck would they want to advertize only gay jews are welcome?

Contradiction in straight opposition to pride. Check your labels at the door and come join us all as LGBTQ.
 

Moonbeam

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Seems pretty obvious this is just projecting, in that you need to believe awful people must hate themselves or such, much like primitive people who lacked the rule of law wanted to believe in divine retribution. They could entirely just be shitty people perfectly pleased with themselves, it's certainly what all evidence points to.
Yes, well, that is a perfect example of projection. You project your own ignorance on me. In order for me to be projecting, I would have to see self hate in others because I deny it in myself. But that is not the case. I know who I am, that I hate myself, and I know also we are all the same, so what I did was pass on information. Similarly, you know nothing about divine retribution. It is absolutely real and nobody wants to believe it. I see what you do not see but it's you who calls me shallow. That is a fine example of projection, you feel shallow, were told you are, believe it at an unconscious level and see it in me in a need to get even for a damaged ego. You're a miserable wreck inside and that's God's retribution for trying to insult me. I have to read you occasional inane post, but you wallow in your self hate every minute of the day. Na Na Ne Na Na! The kingdom of heaven is within you but the door is 180 from where you look. Empty yourself. The tea of wisdom can't be poured into a full cup. You are just a nobody like me, but one full of himself.

In summary, you have a wrong notion of what projection is and you do not understand what divine retribution really is. Admittedly you won't want to see this because believing you are worthless you can't help but hear it as criticism. But I am glad to try to help you anyway because you have already been demonized and made to feel worthless and any more of that would only drive your ego to become larger and more sophisticated in its denial. Don't waste a lot of time trying to get under my skin. I have no need of armor but more importantly I already know all about your prison bars.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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According to the organizers three people were asked to leave because they were harassing other participants promoting a Zionist agenda. One of them was a director of a Zionist group. Others have carried the flag in the march for years and never had an issue.

Not stating anything about whether Zionism is a good or bad thing, just that there is more to the story apparently.

Edit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ause-of-their-beliefs/?utm_term=.5b5cc7a52d85

Yeah, one was a member of a pro-Zionist organization. Yet they were booted out for carrying a flag which was a star of David superimposed over a rainbow. This was not an Israeili flag. The star of David has been a symbol of the Jewish religion since long before the state of Israel. This flag was clearly meant to represent the intersection between Jewish and LGBT identity, and they were booted for it. There was no indication that they were causing any sort of disruption.

I don't see any justification for this. It's hypocritical.
 
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woolfe9998

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From the link you posted I see no mention of the ousted Jews harassing others, apart from the Israeli flag offending people.

It wasn't an Israeli flag. It was a star of David super-imposed over a rainbow. It means "Jewish + LGBT." That is why they were kicked out.
 
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woolfe9998

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So the jewish lady is there in solidarity with other LGBT supporters, and is ousted because of her support for Israel.

I don't think the protesters were necessarily motivated by hatred, but the intolerance accusation might not be misapplied. Seems to me silly to kick people out with whom you find mostly common cause because of a secondary disagreement. To me it'd be like a Catholic-organized Pro-Life march which then kicked out Atheists for Life when they showed up.

You gotta take friends where you can get them.

Extremists are disdainful of anyone who disagrees with them on anything. This is true of extremists on both sides. Clearly these event organizers were intolerant a-holes.
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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We're talking about an event where American flags are not welcome because they are considered "signs of oppression."

http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/...Village-Jewish-Pride-flags-banned-/59621.html

The irony is great. What began ostensibly as a cry for inclusiveness ends up purposefully excluding people that don't meet their judgmental standards.
 

Moonbeam

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Extremists are disdainful of anyone who disagrees with them on anything. This is true of extremists on both sides. Clearly these event organizers were intolerant a-holes.
People subjected to any form of bigotry that does actual damage to one real self respect can often be found fighting among themselves for first place as to who has had it the worst. Bitterness over being abused can make people hard to help and short on sympathy for others.
 

crashtech

Lifer
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Being short on sympathy for others does not sound like a productive default stance for what could be described as an oppressed group seeking... sympathy from others.
 

agent00f

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Yes, well, that is a perfect example of projection. You project your own ignorance on me. In order for me to be projecting, I would have to see self hate in others because I deny it in myself. But that is not the case. I know who I am, that I hate myself, and I know also we are all the same, so what I did was pass on information. Similarly, you know nothing about divine retribution. It is absolutely real and nobody wants to believe it. I see what you do not see but it's you who calls me shallow. That is a fine example of projection, you feel shallow, were told you are, believe it at an unconscious level and see it in me in a need to get even for a damaged ego. You're a miserable wreck inside and that's God's retribution for trying to insult me. I have to read you occasional inane post, but you wallow in your self hate every minute of the day. Na Na Ne Na Na! The kingdom of heaven is within you but the door is 180 from where you look. Empty yourself. The tea of wisdom can't be poured into a full cup. You are just a nobody like me, but one full of himself.

In summary, you have a wrong notion of what projection is and you do not understand what divine retribution really is. Admittedly you won't want to see this because believing you are worthless you can't help but hear it as criticism. But I am glad to try to help you anyway because you have already been demonized and made to feel worthless and any more of that would only drive your ego to become larger and more sophisticated in its denial. Don't waste a lot of time trying to get under my skin. I have no need of armor but more importantly I already know all about your prison bars.

Immaculate example of projecting all the psychological dramas you've recounted onto other people. And also a perfect validation of that simpleton just world fantasy: "You're a miserable wreck inside and that's God's retribution for trying to insult me."
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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No surprise, and Trudeau wore eid mubarak socks to the pride march because you know...Islam totally loves the gays...and jews.

The experiment has already been run.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/22/middleeast/france-israel-jews-immigration/index.html



http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/anti-semitism-france-hostage-hyper-cacher-kosher-market
Tortured and burned alive for being a jew in france.


The left will fake it until it makes the hate crimes real.

The left never learns, remember, it was never "real communism" each and every time it failed, but make the policy decisions which ensure an ever more authoritarian governance is required as societies fracture, and bring in the ultimate faith which demands a totalitarian state so you can try again, or so they naively believe.
 

agent00f

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No surprise, and Trudeau wore eid mubarak socks to the pride march because you know...Islam totally loves the gays...and jews.

The experiment has already been run.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/22/middleeast/france-israel-jews-immigration/index.html



http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/anti-semitism-france-hostage-hyper-cacher-kosher-market
Tortured and burned alive for being a jew in france.


The left will fake it until it makes the hate crimes real.

The left never learns, remember, it was never "real communism" each and every time it failed, but make the policy decisions which ensure an ever more authoritarian governance is required as societies fracture, and bring in the ultimate faith which demands a totalitarian state so you can try again, or so they naively believe.

Just a heads up that ISIS are conservative/right wing arabs, same as the nazis (and neonazis/white nationalists today) were right wing germans. You're basically their american counterpart, congrats.
 
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thank god underoos stepped up and took ownership of this trainwreck thread. Way to bring back on topic underoos!
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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The left are hypocrites just as much as the right.

I don't see them stopping America's imperialist policies. I don't see them stopping the mega corporations from growing even more. I could go on and on but it doesn't matter.

Both sides are totally empty and worthless.

Your problem is in seeing politics as being a matter of binary 'sides'. It's a mite more complicated than that.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Immaculate example of projecting all the psychological dramas you've recounted onto other people. And also a perfect validation of that simpleton just world fantasy: "You're a miserable wreck inside and that's God's retribution for trying to insult me."
Now there is a real case of projection. And my personal mental state, were you even right about it, changes nothing at all about you.

There is nothing I can do about the fact that the truth is very painful but to tell you I lived through the pain. I wish I could take on that train wreck you are so afraid of but I already have. All I can add is that in my opinion denial is a bigger hell.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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@Moonbeam, seriously, cut this out. I've had many of the same experiences you have and then some, and I refuse to act like you. Anyone who claims enlightenment and then acts like this has got to be either a fraud or suffering from some kind of noetic autoimmune disorder.

You don't know as much as you think you do. What happened to "the Tao that can be named is not the true Tao" and all that anyway? And from reading your posts, I really don't think @agent00f's description of your attitude as "You're a miserable wreck inside and that's God's retribution for trying to insult me." is at all off-base.
 

brandonbull

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This one is doubly-apropos considering the subject matter

Ironic, considering you posted a picture of a guy that was a pro government socialist that came to power because threats of violence, support of "the corporate world", and academia after an election that his party lost.
 
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Genx87

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Yeah, one was a member of a pro-Zionist organization. Yet they were booted out for carrying a flag which was a star of David superimposed over a rainbow. This was not an Israeili flag. The star of David has been a symbol of the Jewish religion since long before the state of Israel. This flag was clearly meant to represent the intersection between Jewish and LGBT identity, and they were booted for it. There was no indication that they were causing any sort of disruption.

I don't see any justification for this. It's hypocritical.

How dare you interject an informed response into this circle jerk of a thread.
 

Moonbeam

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@Moonbeam, seriously, cut this out. I've had many of the same experiences you have and then some, and I refuse to act like you. Anyone who claims enlightenment and then acts like this has got to be either a fraud or suffering from some kind of noetic autoimmune disorder.

You don't know as much as you think you do. What happened to "the Tao that can be named is not the true Tao" and all that anyway? And from reading your posts, I really don't think @agent00f's description of your attitude as "You're a miserable wreck inside and that's God's retribution for trying to insult me." is at all off-base.
Really, the Tao that can be named s not the Tao, and a list of defects in my Tao and a list of how yours is superior to mine. Any chance you might see you seem to be expressing some kind of concern that my Tao, whatever that is may be superior to yours. Contests, competitive concerns and comparisons are signs to me that the a belief in the reality of duality is present.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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Moonbeam, you're missing the point here...there is only one Tao, as it were. My issue with you is that for someone who claims to be so enlightened and "woke," you do and say some seriously low-tier stuff to people who are on your ideological side. You are not acting consistently with someone who has had the kind of experiences you say you do.
 

agent00f

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Now there is a real case of projection. And my personal mental state, were you even right about it, changes nothing at all about you.

There is nothing I can do about the fact that the truth is very painful but to tell you I lived through the pain. I wish I could take on that train wreck you are so afraid of but I already have. All I can add is that in my opinion denial is a bigger hell.

So because you were a head case God made everyone else a head case too out of fairness--rather apt head-case reasoning.
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
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Moonbeam, you're missing the point here...there is only one Tao, as it were. My issue with you is that for someone who claims to be so enlightened and "woke," you do and say some seriously low-tier stuff to people who are on your ideological side. You are not acting consistently with someone who has had the kind of experiences you say you do.
Because the bolded portion is the only way we are allowed to judge people, obviously... /s
 
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