Gay Marraige

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: saymyname
Also, if we're going to allow gay couples, why not allow polygamy?

Cause Polygamy is different as it involves more than 2 people and could present a conflict of interest. If it was up to me, I'd allow it as well though.

Basically, people can do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anybody. This includes polygamy. People should know what they're getting into when they marry this way.

And gay people should be able to get married by anyone who wishes to marry them.

 

[g8wayrebel]

Originally posted by: Stunt
There isn't a good reason for gays not to marry.

There also isn't a good reason why our state needs to recognize who our partners are. Marriage should not be part of our government in any shape or form. Bush wants an ammendment to the constitution banning gay marriage...*newsflash* the constitution doesn't even mention marriage...period. Libertarians and Democrats should unite and get marriage out of our states, end the merging of church and state and end the gay marriage debate for good.

If the government doesn't recognize a union , where are the benefits of the union going to come from? Without the state being involved , the insurance companies would have a field day with family benefits , and many many elderly and widowed would be screwed. Ever hear of social security?
That is one of the primary benefits to a recognized gay union.
I have posted an opinion of this issue on here in the past and don't choose to do so again , but at least recoginize the necessity of the state to be involved to maintain accountability and sanity in the situation.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: VoteQuimby

Originally posted by: Ryan
I hope your wife never gives you head, or you toss her salad. Hell - not even a hand job, because that would be unnatural. ON top of that - never use condoms, because they act as a barrier, and are unnatural too. You're supposed to have children by having sex, that's the only "natural" reason. :roll:

Once again proving that the "nature" argument is bullsh!t, and only used to cover your own bias and hatred.

What if everyone was gay? Then we'd have no new life and the world would be empty. Our natural instict is to reproduce and two dudes can't do this.

Do you really think anal sex is natural?

So you think Oral sex is natural? Masterbation? Do you procreate when you get a blow job?
Please, I hate it when people use the "It's not natural" excuse.
You prove to me that every time a heterosexual human has sex that they attempt to procreate, and I will eat my hat.
Until then, don't pull that sh!t.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: paulw86
Regardless of what the Christians believe, being gay is against nature. I don't think I need to go further on that. If someone wants to be gay, SO BE IT. Personally I think gay marriage is unnecessary.

Is it? Homosexuality has been witnessed in many species of animals and has been around in our own species for millenia, dating back possibly even to before recorded history. I think it's just one more genetic variation, an example of the flexibility of DNA which leads to life's adaptability and thus success. A biological contingency plan. It would be interesting to see if it becomes more prominent as world population goes up as a sort of natural solution to overpopulation, but a study would take decades, maybe centuries, and be inherently flawed due to social norms masking true numbers.

So are you expecting the human genome project to find a gay gene? If not, will you admit its not a trait but a decision?

 

[LukeMan]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: VoteQuimby

Originally posted by: Ryan
I hope your wife never gives you head, or you toss her salad. Hell - not even a hand job, because that would be unnatural. ON top of that - never use condoms, because they act as a barrier, and are unnatural too. You're supposed to have children by having sex, that's the only "natural" reason. :roll:

Once again proving that the "nature" argument is bullsh!t, and only used to cover your own bias and hatred.

What if everyone was gay? Then we'd have no new life and the world would be empty. Our natural instict is to reproduce and two dudes can't do this.

Do you really think anal sex is natural?

So you think Oral sex is natural? Masterbation? Do you procreate when you get a blow job?
Please, I hate it when people use the "It's not natural" excuse.
You prove to me that every time a heterosexual human has sex that they attempt to procreate, and I will eat my hat.
Until then, don't pull that sh!t.

anal sex is the most un-natural form of sex, and the most dangerous as well. when it comes to un-natural forms, what other form includes a high % chance of the spread of std's?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: paulw86
Regardless of what the Christians believe, being gay is against nature. I don't think I need to go further on that. If someone wants to be gay, SO BE IT. Personally I think gay marriage is unnecessary.

Is it? Homosexuality has been witnessed in many species of animals and has been around in our own species for millenia, dating back possibly even to before recorded history. I think it's just one more genetic variation, an example of the flexibility of DNA which leads to life's adaptability and thus success. A biological contingency plan. It would be interesting to see if it becomes more prominent as world population goes up as a sort of natural solution to overpopulation, but a study would take decades, maybe centuries, and be inherently flawed due to social norms masking true numbers.

Prove any of that.

 

[LukeMan]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: paulw86
Regardless of what the Christians believe, being gay is against nature. I don't think I need to go further on that. If someone wants to be gay, SO BE IT. Personally I think gay marriage is unnecessary.

Is it? Homosexuality has been witnessed in many species of animals and has been around in our own species for millenia, dating back possibly even to before recorded history. I think it's just one more genetic variation, an example of the flexibility of DNA which leads to life's adaptability and thus success. A biological contingency plan. It would be interesting to see if it becomes more prominent as world population goes up as a sort of natural solution to overpopulation, but a study would take decades, maybe centuries, and be inherently flawed due to social norms masking true numbers.

Prove any of that.

the most successful way to deal with global/national overpopulation is war.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: LukeMan

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: paulw86
Regardless of what the Christians believe, being gay is against nature. I don't think I need to go further on that. If someone wants to be gay, SO BE IT. Personally I think gay marriage is unnecessary.

Is it? Homosexuality has been witnessed in many species of animals and has been around in our own species for millenia, dating back possibly even to before recorded history. I think it's just one more genetic variation, an example of the flexibility of DNA which leads to life's adaptability and thus success. A biological contingency plan. It would be interesting to see if it becomes more prominent as world population goes up as a sort of natural solution to overpopulation, but a study would take decades, maybe centuries, and be inherently flawed due to social norms masking true numbers.

Prove any of that.

the most successful way to deal with global/national overpopulation is war.

Does that make GWB the ultimate sodomizer?

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: paulw86
Regardless of what the Christians believe, being gay is against nature. I don't think I need to go further on that. If someone wants to be gay, SO BE IT. Personally I think gay marriage is unnecessary.

Is it? Homosexuality has been witnessed in many species of animals and has been around in our own species for millenia, dating back possibly even to before recorded history. I think it's just one more genetic variation, an example of the flexibility of DNA which leads to life's adaptability and thus success. A biological contingency plan. It would be interesting to see if it becomes more prominent as world population goes up as a sort of natural solution to overpopulation, but a study would take decades, maybe centuries, and be inherently flawed due to social norms masking true numbers.

Prove any of that.

There are plenty of studies out there, but I'm a little busy right now to go dig them out.

Some dolphins have been known to get gay with each other, apparently to attract hot female dolphins. Not quite sure how that works out, but it's the ultimate wingman.

Some apes (bonobos I believe) put our sex obsessed society to shame. Everything about these apes comes down to sex, they love to pleasure themselves, females get nasty rubbing their biznass up against each other's, and although I'm not sure that the male apes go down each other's dirt roads, I certainly wouldnt be surprised.

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

I'm straight as an arrow, but if gays want to get married, I couldnt care less. Sure, I think two guys circle jerking is about as gross as anything can be - as long as I don't see it in public, more power to them. Besides, more women for the straight guys.

I find it somehow ironic that being that the "protection of the family" is the crux of the issue, the most support for the amendment comes from the states with the highest number of divorces and single parent households.

Even though in the end I know its just political bullsh*t meant to stimulate the ignorant, we really, really, really have much more important things to discuss in congress, let alone consider for a f*cking CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. At worst, just leave it up to the damn states.

 

[LukeMan]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

another 1 of these guys who thinks that without homosexuality the history of the world would be completely different. Tell me 1 major current event (something that can be proven, not this greek/roman horsesh1t that has no factual relevance) that would be different if there was no homosexuality? WW1/WW2/Korea/Vietnam/etc would still have happened. Electricity and the lightbulb would still have been invented. Computers and the Internet are not in danger....

 

[Cabages]

I am hoping for that constitutional amendment.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

I had to laugh. I cant believe some of you people actually believe this ******.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: LukeMan

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: VoteQuimby

Originally posted by: Ryan
I hope your wife never gives you head, or you toss her salad. Hell - not even a hand job, because that would be unnatural. ON top of that - never use condoms, because they act as a barrier, and are unnatural too. You're supposed to have children by having sex, that's the only "natural" reason. :roll:

Once again proving that the "nature" argument is bullsh!t, and only used to cover your own bias and hatred.

What if everyone was gay? Then we'd have no new life and the world would be empty. Our natural instict is to reproduce and two dudes can't do this.

Do you really think anal sex is natural?

So you think Oral sex is natural? Masterbation? Do you procreate when you get a blow job?
Please, I hate it when people use the "It's not natural" excuse.
You prove to me that every time a heterosexual human has sex that they attempt to procreate, and I will eat my hat.
Until then, don't pull that sh!t.

anal sex is the most un-natural form of sex, and the most dangerous as well. when it comes to un-natural forms, what other form includes a high % chance of the spread of std's?

I can name three orafices in the human body you can stick a penis into. All of them are capable of receiving and transmitting STDs.
It all comes down to how stupid you are, and whether you are willing to put a condom on.
Why is anal more un-natural than oral?

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: paulw86
Regardless of what the Christians believe, being gay is against nature. I don't think I need to go further on that. If someone wants to be gay, SO BE IT. Personally I think gay marriage is unnecessary.

Is it? Homosexuality has been witnessed in many species of animals and has been around in our own species for millenia, dating back possibly even to before recorded history. I think it's just one more genetic variation, an example of the flexibility of DNA which leads to life's adaptability and thus success. A biological contingency plan. It would be interesting to see if it becomes more prominent as world population goes up as a sort of natural solution to overpopulation, but a study would take decades, maybe centuries, and be inherently flawed due to social norms masking true numbers.

Prove any of that.

Another poster cited the examples I had in mind, and the rest was just idle speculation.

Originally posted by: thepd7
So are you expecting the human genome project to find a gay gene? If not, will you admit its not a trait but a decision?

I certainly expect that as science progresses we'll find that, among many, many other things - far more than we'd like to admit in our existentialist wester societies - the foundations of our sexual orientation are laid (no pun intended) by genetics.

 

[nakedfrog]

I just popped in to see if the thread had disintegrated into flames yet. And it has.
For the record, my opinion is that the only reasonable solution is to provide civil unions for all and let churches marry whoever they please, let the acts remain separate as they ought to be.

 

[LukeMan]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I can name three orafices in the human body you can stick a penis into. All of them are capable of receiving and transmitting STDs.
It all comes down to how stupid you are, and whether you are willing to put a condom on.
Why is anal more un-natural than oral?

hiv/aids transmission through oral sex is nearly impossible.
my backup - HIV and Oral Sex Study

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: LukeMan

Originally posted by: BD2003

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

another 1 of these guys who thinks that without homosexuality the history of the world would be completely different. Tell me 1 major current event (something that can be proven, not this greek/roman horsesh1t that has no factual relevance) that would be different if there was no homosexuality? WW1/WW2/Korea/Vietnam/etc would still have happened. Electricity and the lightbulb would still have been invented. Computers and the Internet are not in danger....

When the hell did I ever say that? You jump to wild conclusions. All I'm pointing out is that homosexuality has never destroyed a civilization. The factual relevance is that civilizations have flourished with not only rampant homosexuality, but rampant homosexuality with minors, which was not only not looked down upon, but encouraged.

Not that I think we should go back to the days of raping little boys, FAR FROM IT. Just that its not a threat....the fact of the matter is, making gay marriage illegal is going to do NOTHING to prevent homosexuality, or protect the family in ANY WAY whatsoever.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Cabages
I am hoping for that constitutional amendment.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

I had to laugh. I cant believe some of you people actually believe this ******.

Please read a fvcking history book - this isn't idle speculation, this is factual, from the mouths of the greeks and the romans themselves. They loved the cock.

 

[LukeMan]

Originally posted by: BD2003
Not that I think we should go back to the days of raping little boys, FAR FROM IT. Just that its not a threat....the fact of the matter is, making gay marriage illegal is going to do NOTHING to prevent homosexuality, or protect the family in ANY WAY whatsoever.

you just dug a hole for yourself. Michael Jackson only groped little boys, and what you are saying is that full-on sex with little boys is not a problem (threat)? even if you don't condone it, it is a problem. What kind of sexual life will that little boy have when he is in his 20s?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Cabages
I am hoping for that constitutional amendment.

Alright, that's it, I'm invoking Godwin's Law.
You know another government who hated gays? The NAZIS!
That's right, I said it. I'm comparing you to Hitler.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: LukeMan

Originally posted by: BD2003
Not that I think we should go back to the days of raping little boys, FAR FROM IT. Just that its not a threat....the fact of the matter is, making gay marriage illegal is going to do NOTHING to prevent homosexuality, or protect the family in ANY WAY whatsoever.

you just dug a hole for yourself. Michael Jackson only groped little boys, and what you are saying is that full-on sex with little boys is not a problem (threat)? even if you don't condone it, it is a problem. What kind of sexual life will that little boy have when he is in his 20s?

If you actually read what I said, instead of reading what you wanted to read, you wouldn't look like such an idiot right now.

Congratulations...anyone can take something completely out of context, and make it say what you want to say. You are master debater...I bow down to you.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: LukeMan

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
I can name three orafices in the human body you can stick a penis into. All of them are capable of receiving and transmitting STDs.
It all comes down to how stupid you are, and whether you are willing to put a condom on.
Why is anal more un-natural than oral?

hiv/aids transmission through oral sex is nearly impossible.
my backup - HIV and Oral Sex Study

First...There are alot of STDs, HIV is not the only STD in the world. You said STD, not HIV.
Regardless, if you are HIV positive you should not be having unprotected oral sex, or anal, or vaginal.

Second...Why is anal more un-natural than oral? I know I asked that, but you didn't answer it. Instead you posted some link about something I never disagreed with.

I'll agree, If you look at "nature," sex is meant for one thing. Procreation. Well that means any other sex act is and should be considered "un-natural" right?
Oral, anal, the use of contraceptives..etc..etc..

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I just popped in to see if the thread had disintegrated into flames yet. And it has.
For the record, my opinion is that the only reasonable solution is to provide civil unions for all and let churches marry whoever they please, let the acts remain separate as they ought to be.

agreed.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Cabages
I am hoping for that constitutional amendment.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

I had to laugh. I cant believe some of you people actually believe this ******.

Please read a fvcking history book - this isn't idle speculation, this is factual, from the mouths of the greeks and the romans themselves. They loved the cock.

Being of Greek descent, I was of course teased endlessly about this throughout my childhood.

The negative social stigma of homosexuality or bisexuality simply didn't exist back then as it does now. We can thank the spread of Christianity for thoroughly integrating it into our societies. One more thing to be feel guilty about and give the church money to forgive.

Personally, I say do what makes you happy (excluding minors you pervs). If you want to scew men, go ahead. If you want to screw sheep, go for it. If you want to screw semi-fresh produce, by all means. Whatever.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Cabages
I am hoping for that constitutional amendment.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

I had to laugh. I cant believe some of you people actually believe this ******.

Please read a fvcking history book - this isn't idle speculation, this is factual, from the mouths of the greeks and the romans themselves. They loved the cock.

Being of Greek descent, I was of course teased endlessly about this throughout my childhood.

The negative social stigma of homosexuality or bisexuality simply didn't exist back then as it does now. We can thank the spread of Christianity for thoroughly integrating it into our societies. One more thing to be feel guilty about and give the church money to forgive.

Personally, I say do what makes you happy (excluding minors you pervs). If you want to scew men, go ahead. If you want to screw sheep, go for it. If you want to screw semi-fresh produce, by all means. Whatever.

:| <--- Click

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Cabages
I am hoping for that constitutional amendment.

Originally posted by: BD2003

Not to mention the fact that homosexuality was an integral part of the greek and roman civilizations, to which we basically owe our entire history to.

I had to laugh. I cant believe some of you people actually believe this ******.

Please read a fvcking history book - this isn't idle speculation, this is factual, from the mouths of the greeks and the romans themselves. They loved the cock.

Being of Greek descent, I was of course teased endlessly about this throughout my childhood.

The negative social stigma of homosexuality or bisexuality simply didn't exist back then as it does now. We can thank the spread of Christianity for thoroughly integrating it into our societies. One more thing to be feel guilty about and give the church money to forgive.

Personally, I say do what makes you happy (excluding minors you pervs). If you want to scew men, go ahead. If you want to screw sheep, go for it. If you want to screw semi-fresh produce, by all means. Whatever.

:| <--- Click

She didn't say that after a few drinks.