Gay Marraige

[Dubb]

Originally posted by: saymyname
Kids look to their parents as role models and a gay family would send them some very weird signals.

Also, if we're going to allow gay couples, why not allow polygamy?

I'm going to take a guess and say that polygamy in it's practiced form introduces a number of social and economic difficulties that don't exist in homosexual relationships.

for example, for polygamy (in it's practiced form) to function adequately, there needs to be a much higher ratio of women to men. That doesn't exactly jive with the near 50/50 birthrate, and has been reported to lead to the exclusion of younger males from polygamist families and communities.

Also I fail to see what "weird signals" would be sent from homosexual parents.

 

[Rachael]

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Cabages
I hope gay marraiges are never allowed. But I also am not senseless. I know it is there constitutional right (at least here in the U.S.) to be able to have the same rights as any other person.

But personally, I find it disgusting and that is disvalues marraige.

Surrender your pants!

 

[Brutuskend]

Just passing through

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: saymyname
Kids look to their parents as role models and a gay family would send them some very weird signals.

Also, if we're going to allow gay couples, why not allow polygamy?

Weak...

You don't have to be married to be a family. It's just that being legally married society grants you extra privileges, opportunities, and responsibilities that are not available otherwise.

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: Rachael

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.

When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.

Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside

 

[mattpegher]

Given the expanded definition of family unit that we have today, including stay at home fathers, single parenting, divorced parents, studies show that children of gay parents fair just as well as any other. Just as children of straight parents may turn out to be gay, children of gay parents may turn out to be straight. No clear studies have been done, but studies regarding gender definition tend to discount the notion that gender-preference is a learned response.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: Rachael

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.

When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.

Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside

This thread is about gay marriage. Why are you bringing up the child-rearing issue?

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: Rachael

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.

When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.

Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside

Does that mean you condone straight christian meth-heads? When was the last time you saw a kid say daddy has nailpolish on? Why is nailpolish bad? Are we defining good and bad by what you like now? I've seen plenty of children from good striaght families with cancer; Were their parents lying to god? Do striaght people have better manners than gay people? I've generally observed that most misbehaved people are straight. Same with most children with development problems.

Borrowing your line from earlier, can you provide the relevant studies to back up the claims you just made?

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Cabages
But personally, I find it disgusting and that is disvalues marraige.

... so do you agree that after you enter a heterosexual marriage, divorce should not be permitted for a period of at least 5 years, as divorce disvalues marriage?

Originally posted by: paulney
When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.

What the hell does that have to do with sexuality? I know more straight guys that paint their nails than gay guys.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew
What the hell does that have to do with sexuality? I know more straight guys that paint their nails than gay guys.

No kidding, I've never met a gay guy who paints his fingernails, unless he's a transvestite/transexual. Most aren't. Most of the guys who paint their fingernails are Goth/EMO kids.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: Rachael

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.

When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.

Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside

Ya know, I figure that I get out just as much as the next person, but I've never witnessed little kids asking to have their nails manicured because daddy does it.

There's probably just as many angry little straight emo boys with polished nails and girl haircuts and wearing girls' pants that have been raised by straight-as-an-arrow parents.

Furthermore, why should you thinking someone's lifestlye is sick dissallow a gay couples from marraige and kids? Personally, I find groveling and writhing on the floor at church to the images of snakes to be sick (I can't remember what wierd sect that is), but I'm not requesting those people not have kids....and you KNOW that's a behavior that gets passed on.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
There's probably just as many angry little straight emo boys with polished nails and girl haircuts and wearing girls' pants that have been raised by straight-as-an-arrow parents.

Just as many? I can think of very, very few gays (read: 1) that regularly polishes their nails. And he's goth.

The common failure here is that very much incorrect stereotypes are being used for judgements.

 

[mugs]

Who are all these people that are calling their heterosexual spouses partners? Damn hippies and their crusade against "gender roles."

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: mugs
Who are all these people that are calling their heterosexual spouses partners? Damn hippies and their crusade against "gender roles."

Eh, perhaps I see it more than most people I live in a "world" where political correctness reigns. Nonetheless, I still hear it from random people that are straight.

 

[Rachael]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: Rachael

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.

When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.

I've seen many young boys, raised by straight parents, play with Barbies and even played with their mother's makeup and her high heel shoes. Next, I'll want to argue against your view that a cay person will (certainly) use nailpolish and manicured nails.

My guy friend takes care of his nails (no nail polish) but because he wants to. Does the fact that a child will want to do it because his father does is just as disgusting? You have other arguments against that line you just said that I believe make a stronger case. I don't mean to sound arrogant but you do have a very pendatic view of gay marriage, nay, just anything and everything that has to do with homosexuals. You seem ill-educated in the lifestyle and what's trying to be gained with the legalities of it.

Of course, I'm arguing against someone that claims a dictionary isn't good evidence. I'd suggest that instead of just discrediting whatever we have with simple anecdotes that you can try and become objective in the subject at hand, that's what the OP is asking from your view.

 

[6000SUX]

I think that marriage should be supported by laws in order to help people bring up their offspring, and that's it. I don't think that it's a good idea to grant gay marriage legal status for this reason, because I don't think it's a good idea to encourage gays to raise children. I think that gays should not be permitted to adopt, for instance.

When a person in a gay relationship is the sole available caretaker for a child, I admit that this raises a problem. It seems to me that a child stands a better chance of achieving health and happiness with a law-abiding parent (gay or straight) than in foster care. I still don't see the necessity for legally recognizing gay marriage, and don't see that it will help society in any way.

Gays have always been free to get married in a church that permits it, and there's no good way or reason to prevent this.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I think that marriage should be supported by laws in order to help people bring up their offspring, and that's it. I don't think that it's a good idea to grant gay marriage legal status for this reason, because I don't think it's a good idea to encourage gays to raise children. I think that gays should not be permitted to adopt, for instance.

When a person in a gay relationship is the sole available caretaker for a child, I admit that this raises a problem. It seems to me that a child stands a better chance of achieving health and happiness with a law-abiding parent (gay or straight) than in foster care. I still don't see the necessity for recognizing gay marriage, and don't see that it will help society in any way.

It doesn't have to help society, the idea behind "rights" is that they support the individual.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I think that marriage should be supported by laws in order to help people bring up their offspring, and that's it. I don't think that it's a good idea to grant gay marriage legal status for this reason, because I don't think it's a good idea to encourage gays to raise children. I think that gays should not be permitted to adopt, for instance.

If you feel this way, then why not create laws to assist those with children rather than those that are married?

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I think that marriage should be supported by laws in order to help people bring up their offspring, and that's it. I don't think that it's a good idea to grant gay marriage legal status for this reason, because I don't think it's a good idea to encourage gays to raise children. I think that gays should not be permitted to adopt, for instance.

When a person in a gay relationship is the sole available caretaker for a child, I admit that this raises a problem. It seems to me that a child stands a better chance of achieving health and happiness with a law-abiding parent (gay or straight) than in foster care. I still don't see the necessity for legally recognizing gay marriage, and don't see that it will help society in any way.

Gays have always been free to get married in a church that permits it, and there's no good way or reason to prevent this.

Then explain how it "hurts" society? 'Cause not being able to be married certainly doesn't "help" gay couples trying to achieve certain marital rights. i.e. Hospital visitation, spousal inheritance, spousal protection in testimony (to be extreme), etc...

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I think that marriage should be supported by laws in order to help people bring up their offspring, and that's it. I don't think that it's a good idea to grant gay marriage legal status for this reason, because I don't think it's a good idea to encourage gays to raise children. I think that gays should not be permitted to adopt, for instance.

When a person in a gay relationship is the sole available caretaker for a child, I admit that this raises a problem. It seems to me that a child stands a better chance of achieving health and happiness with a law-abiding parent (gay or straight) than in foster care. I still don't see the necessity for legally recognizing gay marriage, and don't see that it will help society in any way.

Gays have always been free to get married in a church that permits it, and there's no good way or reason to prevent this.

Marriage != parenting. Period. Gays are already raising kids, whether you like it or not. The majority of the gays I know don't want kids, though there are plenty that do. The parenting aspect has *nothing* to do with the marriage aspect, at all.

This isn't *supposed* to help society. It's supposed to help those gay people that wish to get married. What benefit to society is it that heterosexual marriages are legally recognized?

Church and religion also has nothing to do with this -- this is completely about legal acknowledgement of marriage.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Rachael

Of course, I'm arguing against someone that claims a dictionary isn't good evidence.

bahahahahahhahahaha

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: Rachael

Of course, I'm arguing against someone that claims a dictionary isn't good evidence.

bahahahahahhahahaha

:roll:
The statement was: more and more people use the term partner

Here's a statement for you: more and more people use the word niggardly to connotate 'stingy' or 'scanty'. True? Hardly. In the dictionary? Yes

Moron

The rest of the post was just as absurd and poorly written.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: paulney
Moron

Your maturity is astounding.

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: Rachael

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.

When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.

Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside

Ya know, I figure that I get out just as much as the next person, but I've never witnessed little kids asking to have their nails manicured because daddy does it.

You didn't, I did. So what? You live in Denver, I live close to San Francisco. Enough said.

There's probably just as many angry little straight emo boys with polished nails and girl haircuts and wearing girls' pants that have been raised by straight-as-an-arrow parents.

That's different. They aren't mixing gender, while that boy obviously was.

Furthermore, why should you thinking someone's lifestlye is sick dissallow a gay couples from marraige and kids? Personally, I find groveling and writhing on the floor at church to the images of snakes to be sick (I can't remember what wierd sect that is), but I'm not requesting those people not have kids....and you KNOW that's a behavior that gets passed on.

I have already said: all intelligence, mannerisms and culture aside, I believe it's not healthy for a child to be raised by same sex partners for the sheer development of character.

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: paulney
Moron

Your maturity is astounding.

I hate people who take things out of context.