Have anything to dispute it, cause I hear alot of married couples refer to ther spouses as partners.
I thought dictionaries take words that are generally accepted.
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: StormRider
I'm old fashioned and I like the term "partner" better. Then I can get the hint and know they are in a gay marriage.
Must suck for you that more and more straight folks are referring to their spouses as partners.
Out of curiosity: care to provide a link to a study about that?
I don't have any studies to quote on that, for multiple reasons:
I don't care enough to find one.
The dictionary shall suffice.
I notice it frequently when in public.
Well, that just means: 'I don't know jack about the subject, but I heard my neighbor John call his wife a partner in a local bar'
Originally posted by: Savij
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Rachael
Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that
Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.
When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.
Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside
Does that mean you condone straight christian meth-heads?
Borrowing your line from earlier, can you provide the relevant studies to back up the claims you just made?
Originally posted by: savoyboy
gay marriages=more women for me
Originally posted by: Cabages
I hope gay marraiges are never allowed. But I also am not senseless. I know it is there constitutional right (at least here in the U.S.) to be able to have the same rights as any other person.
But personally, I find it disgusting and that is disvalues marraige.
Have anything to dispute it, cause I hear alot of married couples refer to ther spouses as partners.
I thought dictionaries take words that are generally accepted.
Originally posted by: paulney
Have anything to dispute it, cause I hear alot of married couples refer to ther spouses as partners.
I thought dictionaries take words that are generally accepted.
'I hear' is not good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used to refer to a spouse' - than yes, the dictionary is good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used more and more to refer to a spouse', then no, dictionary is not good enough. I already gave an example of such fallacy. Please, read the thread.
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Rachael
Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that
Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.
When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.
Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside
Originally posted by: paulney
Nope, I haven't investigated that. The OP asked for opinions, and I gave it. This is what I believe. I also believe it would be extremely hard to find articles proving that raising kids in the same-sex gender family is beneficial/detrimental for the same reason it's extremely hard to find articles dealing with intellectual development and race: no one in the scientific world wants to touch that with a six foot pole because of people like you who launch into offense as soon as they hear anyone objecting to homosexuals.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: paulney
Have anything to dispute it, cause I hear alot of married couples refer to ther spouses as partners.
I thought dictionaries take words that are generally accepted.
'I hear' is not good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used to refer to a spouse' - than yes, the dictionary is good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used more and more to refer to a spouse', then no, dictionary is not good enough. I already gave an example of such fallacy. Please, read the thread.
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Rachael
Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that
Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.
When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.
Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside
Have a study that that happens? Or did you just see local Johny down the street doing it and decide everyone is?
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: paulney
Have anything to dispute it, cause I hear alot of married couples refer to ther spouses as partners.
I thought dictionaries take words that are generally accepted.
'I hear' is not good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used to refer to a spouse' - than yes, the dictionary is good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used more and more to refer to a spouse', then no, dictionary is not good enough. I already gave an example of such fallacy. Please, read the thread.
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Rachael
Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that
Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.
When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.
Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside
Have a study that that happens? Or did you just see local Johny down the street doing it and decide everyone is?
Again: please read the thread. It's just a couple of posts above.
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: paulney
Nope, I haven't investigated that. The OP asked for opinions, and I gave it. This is what I believe. I also believe it would be extremely hard to find articles proving that raising kids in the same-sex gender family is beneficial/detrimental for the same reason it's extremely hard to find articles dealing with intellectual development and race: no one in the scientific world wants to touch that with a six foot pole because of people like you who launch into offense as soon as they hear anyone objecting to homosexuals.
...or perhaps it's because of people like you who launch into offense as soon as they hear anyone agreeing with homosexuals.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: paulney
Have anything to dispute it, cause I hear alot of married couples refer to ther spouses as partners.
I thought dictionaries take words that are generally accepted.
'I hear' is not good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used to refer to a spouse' - than yes, the dictionary is good enough. If you say 'the word partner is used more and more to refer to a spouse', then no, dictionary is not good enough. I already gave an example of such fallacy. Please, read the thread.
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Rachael
Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that
Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.
When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.
Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside
Have a study that that happens? Or did you just see local Johny down the street doing it and decide everyone is?
Nothing but a hypocrite with talking points, man you should come join us in P&N, you would fit right in with half the people.
I did read the thread, it is only three pages long. I still don't see a study backing up your observations, something you demanded of others.
stop using his own 'logic' against him...its too much for him to take.
Originally posted by: paulney
I did read the thread, it is only three pages long. I still don't see a study backing up your observations, something you demanded of others.
If you did read the thread (like you claim to) you woulnd't have had posted this.
I already explained it, and I'm not retyping it again, because you can't read.
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I think that marriage should be supported by laws in order to help people bring up their offspring, and that's it. I don't think that it's a good idea to grant gay marriage legal status for this reason, because I don't think it's a good idea to encourage gays to raise children. I think that gays should not be permitted to adopt, for instance.
When a person in a gay relationship is the sole available caretaker for a child, I admit that this raises a problem. It seems to me that a child stands a better chance of achieving health and happiness with a law-abiding parent (gay or straight) than in foster care. I still don't see the necessity for legally recognizing gay marriage, and don't see that it will help society in any way.
Gays have always been free to get married in a church that permits it, and there's no good way or reason to prevent this.
Marriage != parenting. Period. Gays are already raising kids, whether you like it or not. The majority of the gays I know don't want kids, though there are plenty that do. The parenting aspect has *nothing* to do with the marriage aspect, at all.
This isn't *supposed* to help society. It's supposed to help those gay people that wish to get married. What benefit to society is it that heterosexual marriages are legally recognized?
Church and religion also has nothing to do with this -- this is completely about legal acknowledgement of marriage.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: paulney
I did read the thread, it is only three pages long. I still don't see a study backing up your observations, something you demanded of others.
If you did read the thread (like you claim to) you woulnd't have had posted this.
I already explained it, and I'm not retyping it again, because you can't read.
Ahhhhhh
So you don't have a study to back up your claim? Well than you are nothing but a hypocrite plain and simple, go along now little troll.
Originally posted by: CaesaR
There is absolutely no reason to go against gay marriages. Its their personal choice and they should be allowed to get married.
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: paulney
I did read the thread, it is only three pages long. I still don't see a study backing up your observations, something you demanded of others.
If you did read the thread (like you claim to) you woulnd't have had posted this.
I already explained it, and I'm not retyping it again, because you can't read.
Ahhhhhh
So you don't have a study to back up your claim? Well than you are nothing but a hypocrite plain and simple, go along now little troll.
Well, I think I'll copy-paste it for you since you are unable to comprehend what you read:
Nope, I haven't investigated that. The OP asked for opinions, and I gave it. This is what I believe. I also believe it would be extremely hard to find articles proving that raising kids in the same-sex gender family is beneficial/detrimental for the same reason it's extremely hard to find articles dealing with intellectual development and race: no one in the scientific world wants to touch that with a six foot pole because of people like you who launch into offense as soon as they hear anyone objecting to homosexuals.
"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way."
Originally posted by: paulney
Originally posted by: Rachael
Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that
Right, because we know straight parents don't raise bad children.
When I see little kids asking to have their nails manicured and covered with nail polish because their 'daddy' does that - that's just effing sick.
Say what you want, but having two gays/dykes rais a kid is not healthy, all manners and intelligence development aside
Kids In gay marriage do fine
"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way."
Try again now?
Originally posted by: paulney
Kids In gay marriage do fine
"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way."
Try again now?
Nice try. Even without researching this topic, a quick google search turns up this:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/marriage/ssuap/
I'll copy-paste a few excerpts for you, and then I have to do some work around the house, so I'll withdraw from the thread:
Honest researchers confess as much:
? ?Research exploring the diversity of parental relationships among gay and lesbian parents is just beginning.?4
? ?Thus far, no work has compared children?s long-term achievement in education, occupation, income and other domains of life?5 (emphasis added).
There's quite a lot more if you read the second PDF document (second link)
Good luck with reading
Study Results
Researchers looked at information gleaned from 15 studies on more than 500 children, evaluating possible stigma, teasing and social isolation, adjustment and self-esteem, opposite gender role models, sexual orientation, and strengths.
Studies from 1981 to 1994, including 260 children reared by either heterosexual mothers or same-sex mothers after divorce, found no differences in intelligence, type or prevalence of psychiatric disorders, self-esteem, well-being, peer relationships, couple relationships, or parental stress.
"Some studies showed that single heterosexual parents' children have more difficulties than children who have parents of the same sex," Perrin says. "They did better in discipline, self-esteem, and had less psychosocial difficulties at home and at school."
Another study of 37 children of 27 divorced lesbian mothers and a similar number of children of heterosexual mothers found no differences in behavior, adjustment, gender identity, and peer relationships.
Homosexuality
You've seen Hollywood embrace "gay pride." You've been told that homosexuals make up 10 percent of the population (the actual number is less than 3 percent). Perhaps you've struggled with troubling thoughts, causing you to wonder about your gender identity, or maybe you've even sought to meet your needs for companionship and acceptance through a same-sex relationship. If so, you need to know that you do have a choice in the matter, that you're not simply "wired that way." Indeed, you don't have to be gay ? there is hope for those who want to change.
Questions and Answers
* I don't think my husband has a right to continue in the gay lifestyle and stay married to me. Does he? Answer
* Homosexual activists claim their lifestyle, which in some cases includes thousands of sexual partners, should be sanctioned, protected, and granted special rights by society. Would you critique this stance? Answer
Originally posted by: RichardE
Kids In gay marriage do fine
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: paulney
Kids In gay marriage do fine
"The vast consensus of all the studies shows that children of same-sex parents do as well as children whose parents are heterosexual in every way."
Try again now?
Nice try. Even without researching this topic, a quick google search turns up this:
http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/marriage/ssuap/
I'll copy-paste a few excerpts for you, and then I have to do some work around the house, so I'll withdraw from the thread:
Honest researchers confess as much:
? ?Research exploring the diversity of parental relationships among gay and lesbian parents is just beginning.?4
? ?Thus far, no work has compared children?s long-term achievement in education, occupation, income and other domains of life?5 (emphasis added).
There's quite a lot more if you read the second PDF document (second link)
Good luck with reading
Study Results
Researchers looked at information gleaned from 15 studies on more than 500 children, evaluating possible stigma, teasing and social isolation, adjustment and self-esteem, opposite gender role models, sexual orientation, and strengths.
Studies from 1981 to 1994, including 260 children reared by either heterosexual mothers or same-sex mothers after divorce, found no differences in intelligence, type or prevalence of psychiatric disorders, self-esteem, well-being, peer relationships, couple relationships, or parental stress.
"Some studies showed that single heterosexual parents' children have more difficulties than children who have parents of the same sex," Perrin says. "They did better in discipline, self-esteem, and had less psychosocial difficulties at home and at school."
Another study of 37 children of 27 divorced lesbian mothers and a similar number of children of heterosexual mothers found no differences in behavior, adjustment, gender identity, and peer relationships.
You also reference a bible thumping site with articles on how you can "stop your homosexuality" on its own site....
Homosexuality
You've seen Hollywood embrace "gay pride." You've been told that homosexuals make up 10 percent of the population (the actual number is less than 3 percent). Perhaps you've struggled with troubling thoughts, causing you to wonder about your gender identity, or maybe you've even sought to meet your needs for companionship and acceptance through a same-sex relationship. If so, you need to know that you do have a choice in the matter, that you're not simply "wired that way." Indeed, you don't have to be gay ? there is hope for those who want to change.
Questions and Answers
* I don't think my husband has a right to continue in the gay lifestyle and stay married to me. Does he? Answer
* Homosexual activists claim their lifestyle, which in some cases includes thousands of sexual partners, should be sanctioned, protected, and granted special rights by society. Would you critique this stance? Answer
http://www.family.org/married/topics/a0025114.cfm
Try again? At least I took the time to find something reported from a newssource.