Gay Marraige

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I think that marriage should be supported by laws in order to help people bring up their offspring, and that's it. I don't think that it's a good idea to grant gay marriage legal status for this reason, because I don't think it's a good idea to encourage gays to raise children. I think that gays should not be permitted to adopt, for instance.

When a person in a gay relationship is the sole available caretaker for a child, I admit that this raises a problem. It seems to me that a child stands a better chance of achieving health and happiness with a law-abiding parent (gay or straight) than in foster care. I still don't see the necessity for legally recognizing gay marriage, and don't see that it will help society in any way.

Gays have always been free to get married in a church that permits it, and there's no good way or reason to prevent this.

Marriage != parenting. Period. Gays are already raising kids, whether you like it or not. The majority of the gays I know don't want kids, though there are plenty that do. The parenting aspect has *nothing* to do with the marriage aspect, at all.

This isn't *supposed* to help society. It's supposed to help those gay people that wish to get married. What benefit to society is it that heterosexual marriages are legally recognized?

Church and religion also has nothing to do with this -- this is completely about legal acknowledgement of marriage.

You're right, of course, that parenting does not equal marriage, in the same way that an aircraft carrier does not equal a kumquat. I'd also say that gay marriage obviously does not equal marriage, hence the legal battles. Issues of parenting and marriage are intertwined in some cases, however. I believe that the only really good reason to legally recognize a marriage is in order to provide benefits that may aid in raising offspring.

I think that if gay marriage is legally recognized, any two people should be able to marry each other. I should be able to marry my father, and maybe even my dog. I can certainly form a loving union with my dog, and want my dog to share in my benefits in case of my untimely death.

The reality is that tax breaks already exist in many (most?) states for gay couples, so this issue is separate from marriage. Any other right of marriage can be approximated by gays with a little extra effort and legal paperwork.

What's the reason for creating a legal institution of gay marriage? Marriage has been around for a long time, but not gay marriage.

Tax breaks, "family" stuff -- as in health care, etc. Which states already provide breaks for gay couples? I know some do, but I thought that the vast majority do not.

How does a dog have anything to do with this? That has *nothing* to do with homosexuality whatsoever.

Also, why do you believe that all other laws and regulations should be lifted if men are allowed to marry men? That's mind boggling... it makes no sense to me.

 

[tfcmasta97]

I have nothing against gay couples, have always been athiest, am not a homophobe... i even crack jokes at religion pretty damn often.

I just dont see any reason for gay couples to actually MARRY though. I havent really heard any good arguements on the FOR side.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: RichardE
Kids In gay marriage do fine

The CBS News website is not exactly an authoritative source of information on anything, although you at least took the time to refer to some outside information. Also, it seems like the article carefully avoids mentioning the sexual orientation of kids raised by gay couples. Gender identity is mentioned, but it's not always the same thing in news articles.

A good deal of the micro-sized article talks about the differences between heterosexual and homosexual single moms. That's not the whole story.

I know, I was trying to find a transcript of the presentation that the article was based on and some of its supporting studies but no luck so far.

 

[speg]

I think it comes down to the definition of marriage. If you define marriage as the union of husband and wife (ie man and women) well than obviously homosexual couples aren't going to fit this definition.

So do we redefine the definition of marriage?
Do we create something else, "gay marriage"?

I can understand some people who want to keep the definition of marriage unchanged, for traditional, religious, or whatever reasons. But that doesn't mean you have to prevent a homosexual couple from obtaining the same rights and privileges as a traditional marriage.

 

[Brutuskend]

I don't know if there is or ever WILL be a GOOD argument against it, but to many of us it just doesn't seem RIGHT and it never will.

At least not as long as those of us raised to believe things should be a certain way are still around.

Who knows WHAT the future may bring though.

Things have already changed a LOT since my younger days, so I have no doubt that eventually it will be excepted by our society.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Cabages
I hope gay marraiges are never allowed. But I also am not senseless. I know it is there constitutional right (at least here in the U.S.) to be able to have the same rights as any other person.

But personally, I find it disgusting and that is disvalues marraige.

:thumbsup:

I think it's great that you're able to see the big picture past your opinions and allow others to have theirs as well. Too few people are willing to do that these days, espousing our freedom and the importance of protecting it, then saying we shouldn't be able to own guns, marry members of the same gender, put chemicals into our bodies, etc., entirely missing the point of true freedom.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
I have nothing against gay couples, have always been athiest, am not a homophobe... i even crack jokes at religion pretty damn often.

I just dont see any reason for gay couples to actually MARRY though. I havent really heard any good arguements on the FOR side.

What's a good argument for continuing to allow heterosexual marriage? Why not allow all couples to marry equally?

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Cabages
I hope gay marraiges are never allowed. But I also am not senseless. I know it is there constitutional right (at least here in the U.S.) to be able to have the same rights as any other person.

But personally, I find it disgusting and that is disvalues marraige.

:thumbsup:

I think it's great that you're able to see the big picture past your opinions and allow others to have theirs as well. Too few people are willing to do that these days, espousing our freedom and the importance of protecting it, then saying we shouldn't be able to own guns, marry members of the same gender, put chemicals into our bodies, etc., entirely missing the point of true freedom.

The Constitution does not exist to satisfy every possible interpretation of the words "true freedom".

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It corrupts the morals of our precious innocent children.

 

[mattpegher]

Our society allows certain rights to the spouse as stated earlier by another. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think all pretense at morals and religion is only to hide the concern that gay marriage will cost big buisiness money, ie insurance.
A trillion dollar industry.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

I know, I feel the same way about christians.

LOL, FTW!

Yeah! Down with people that try to follow rules that cause them to be nice and caring to each other! Those people should be...err....CRUCIFIED!!!!

 

[saymyname]

At the end of the day you just have to ask yourself what your experience has been with homosexuals. If you have no experience with homosexuals then frankly you really don't have much to say. Odds are you're just going to spout out some kind of religious rant that you heard in church.

However, not being religious and having lived in San Francisco and by Guerneville up in the wine country I've been exposed to a lot of gay people.

What we're really talking about here is granting people the same rights to adopt and raise children as far as I'm concerned. I could care less about them getting a discount on their car insurance.

Transvestites and Transgenders really have no business raising children. Especially transgender people. They tend to be violent and completely unstable. I wouldn't let my children near them.

Many homosexuals really don't even show it. I'd call them normal people who just swing the other way. There's not much of an argument against them getting married or raising children, but I still think a child would get some weird signals. Somebody is going to have to wear the pants in that relationship and it's gotta be confusing for the child to see it. Children gravitate towards a father figure or a mother away from home when there isn't one in the house, and I don't think a gay couple could substitute for the real thing. So you're just surrendering to the fact that the child is going to have to find another parent elsewhere to fill that void that a gay family can't fill.

Those homosexuals who have to prance around and flaunt it don't impress me. I've seen way too many socially gay people. Call it experimentation, call it bi, call it screwed up in the head or whatever you want. Either way these people are way too odd to be raising children in my opinion. If you are like Gay Al from South Park or Slave, then you shouldn't be raising kids. If you can't decide if you're gay or straight, then maybe you should hold off on kids and I don't think the state should support them until they get their head screwed on straight.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

Why? If all of the sudden a large percentage of children raised by gay parents become gay themselves, it can be shown that homosexuality is a choice for some people. If not, then what's the harm?

 

[thoro86]

People can do whatever they want. Even if u wanna marry a dog or a 6 year old child or whatever, it's fine by me.

 

[saymyname]

Originally posted by: thoro86
People can do whatever they want. Even if u wanna marry a dog or a 6 year old child or whatever, it's fine by me.

Truly brilliant.

I now prounounce you infant and wife.

 

[Taggart]

I think the only real definition of marriage is heterosexual marriage. I'm not religious, I don't hate gay people, I just don't think gay people should have a marriage recognized by the state. Marriage isn't that big a deal anyway.

A 'gay marriage' is just so far outside the realm of what I would consider normal.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: RBachman

Originally posted by: Cabages
I hope gay marraiges are never allowed. But I also am not senseless. I know it is there constitutional right (at least here in the U.S.) to be able to have the same rights as any other person.

But personally, I find it disgusting and that is disvalues marraige.

:thumbsup:

I think it's great that you're able to see the big picture past your opinions and allow others to have theirs as well. Too few people are willing to do that these days, espousing our freedom and the importance of protecting it, then saying we shouldn't be able to own guns, marry members of the same gender, put chemicals into our bodies, etc., entirely missing the point of true freedom.

The Constitution does not exist to satisfy every possible interpretation of the words "true freedom".

The Constitution seeks to provide every freedom possible to the citizens beyond those freedoms which directly, deliberately, and significantly negatively affect other citizens. Unless you can show a way in which gay marriage falls under the latter description, you cannot justify making anti-gay-marriage language a part of the Constitution. I would go further and say that unless you can do that you are unjustified in saying that gay marriage should be prohibited by any non-Constitutional law as well. It doesn't matter if gay marriage benefits society or not, the only question is whether or not it harms society or other individual citizens.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: thoro86
People can do whatever they want. Even if u wanna marry a dog or a 6 year old child or whatever, it's fine by me.

The line should end at pedophilia. I have no problem with a guy that likes horses though.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: thoro86
People can do whatever they want. Even if u wanna marry a dog or a 6 year old child or whatever, it's fine by me.

The line should end at pedophilia. I have no problem with a guy that likes horses though.

The main distinction to be made between same-sex marriage and bestiality/pedophilia is that the former is a binding agreement between two consenting adults, just as opposite-sex marriage is, while the latter two are not.

 

[0roo0roo]

no good arguements against it. just religious which is about good as dirka dirka infidel jihad...
and the slippery slope arguement, u know first this, then dogs
and of course it does remind one of the arguements by racists against race mixed marriages. anti missegination law and all, its unnatural, against god, first they marry blacks then they marry apes! the mixed couples marriage devalues my white marriage! destroying marriage!! blabbity blah blah

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: paulney
As long as they don't try to bring up kids in their 'family', I'm fine with that

I know, I feel the same way about christians.

LOL, FTW!

Yeah! Down with people that try to follow rules that cause them to be nice and caring to each other! Those people should be...err....CRUCIFIED!!!!

A handbook shouldn't be needed for that, it requires only a sense of empathy and a moment's thought.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: paulney
Moron

Your maturity is astounding.

I hate people who take things out of context.

GeekDrew is gay. So you're saying you HATE gay people. Well your arguments are clearly biased and worthless.

 

[Molondo]

Don't care what they do. They can call it whatever they want. Just as long they don't use the term "Merriage".

How about gerriage?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: kogase
The main distinction to be made between same-sex marriage and bestiality/pedophilia is that the former is a binding agreement between two consenting adults, just as opposite-sex marriage is, while the latter two are not.

An animal can consent to sex. Maybe not all, but there's been cases of humans being on the receiving side of a horse or dog.

 

[iamwiz82]

As long as they aren't shoving stuff down my throat, literally and figuratively, I don't care.