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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: bobcpg
The best rational to NOT let them marry in the eyes of the Gov't is because the Gov't have a duty to make sure we grow and prosper. Like it or not, 2 men or 2 women can not have a baby together. Yeah, women can get artificially pregnant but science proves, as an overall effect, it is best for human kids to grow up with parents of both genders, not to mention its not natural.

Going with this logic, the Gov't has basis to encourage marriage between 1 woman and 1 man.

So you think a gay man should be encouraged to marry and impregnate a woman? How likely do you think this is?

The only reason gay men don't impregnate women now is because the government has not specifically told them to. As soon as the government rolls out it's new propaganda campaign "Vagina: Like An Anus, But Already Lubed," you'll see the gays sashaying forth in droves, impregnating anything they can get their hands on. Cause we all know they're just a rhinestone's throw from fucking a sheep as it is.

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I was informed that the above was intended as sarcasm. Apology acknowledged and accepted. Time out canceled.

Harvey
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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Because it's a slippery slope that leads to bestiality and ensures state sanctioned child molestation.


Obviously.

your sense of humor never ceases to amaze me...
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: brandonb
It really has nothing to do with religion.

Its not bigot Chritians wanting to kick gays in the balls.

It comes down to this. Marriage is a concept from the bible. It's a union between man, woman, and God! Thats the definition. Not a union between man and man or woman and woman and the state.

Secular nations should not even recgonize marriage. Everybody should be just a person. If its for things such as being able to visit your gay partner an emergency room that only married people and relatives can enter, fight the battle at the hospital.

Why is there such a push to allow gays to marry? Who cares?

Then what you are saying is all marriages should be disolved and everyone given a civil union certificate?

Then if they care to have the churches blessing they go to the church and get married!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: bobcpg
The best rational to NOT let them marry in the eyes of the Gov't is because the Gov't have a duty to make sure we grow and prosper. Like it or not, 2 men or 2 women can not have a baby together. Yeah, women can get artificially pregnant but science proves, as an overall effect, it is best for human kids to grow up with parents of both genders, not to mention its not natural.[/B]<---- not natural you mean in your bigoted eyes it`s not natural....
Prove using links please that it is better for kids to grow up with parents of both genders???

Going with this logic, the Gov't has basis to encourage marriage between 1 woman and 1 man.

Remember, when arguing issues like this one, logic has no emotion. While I believe everyone should have broad and equal freedoms in the US logic wins out this time.


 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Quick question to all in favor of gay marriage: What are your thoughts on polygamy (presuming it's among consentual adults)?

Personally, I can't seen any logically consistent reasons to be against polygamy while still being for gay marriage, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of others on the question.

start another thread......all you are doing is derailing this thread!!
We are not talking about polygamy!!
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
because if you allow two men to live together, next thing you know it will be a man and horse. it really is the only logical step. (though TBH i dont really see a problem with either)

So that is the next progression you would take if you were to live with a man...then you would live with a horse??
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: bobcpg
The best rational to NOT let them marry in the eyes of the Gov't is because the Gov't have a duty to make sure we grow and prosper. Like it or not, 2 men or 2 women can not have a baby together. Yeah, women can get artificially pregnant but science proves, as an overall effect, it is best for human kids to grow up with parents of both genders, not to mention its not natural.

Going with this logic, the Gov't has basis to encourage marriage between 1 woman and 1 man.

So you think a gay man should be encouraged to marry and impregnate a woman? How likely do you think this is?

The only reason gay men don't impregnate women now is because the government has not specifically told them to. As soon as the government rolls out it's new propaganda campaign "Vagina: Like An Anus, But Already Lubed," you'll see the gays sashaying forth in droves, impregnating anything they can get their hands on. Cause we all know they're just a rhinestone's throw from fucking a sheep as it is.

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Your blatant bigotry wins you a week elsewhere.

Harvey
Senior AnandTech Moderator

Harvey, his post was facetious. He was raised by lesbian mothers and frequently posts in these type of threads.

Please reconsider the vacation.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: bobcpg
The best rational to NOT let them marry in the eyes of the Gov't is because the Gov't have a duty to make sure we grow and prosper. Like it or not, 2 men or 2 women can not have a baby together. Yeah, women can get artificially pregnant but science proves, as an overall effect, it is best for human kids to grow up with parents of both genders, not to mention its not natural.

Going with this logic, the Gov't has basis to encourage marriage between 1 woman and 1 man.

So you think a gay man should be encouraged to marry and impregnate a woman? How likely do you think this is?

The only reason gay men don't impregnate women now is because the government has not specifically told them to. As soon as the government rolls out it's new propaganda campaign "Vagina: Like An Anus, But Already Lubed," you'll see the gays sashaying forth in droves, impregnating anything they can get their hands on. Cause we all know they're just a rhinestone's throw from fucking a sheep as it is.

---

Your blatant bigotry wins you a week elsewhere.

Harvey
Senior AnandTech Moderator

Harvey, his post was facetious. He was raised by lesbian mothers and frequently posts in these type of threads.

Please reconsider the vacation.

It's pretty clear that by that last sentence he was being sarcastic.

I LOLed anyway.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: K1052

Harvey, his post was facetious. He was raised by lesbian mothers and frequently posts in these type of threads.

Please reconsider the vacation.

Noted. Done. See my revised note in his post.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: K1052

Harvey, his post was facetious. He was raised by lesbian mothers and frequently posts in these type of threads.

Please reconsider the vacation.

Noted. Done. See my revised note in his post.

Thanks :thumbsup:
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Quick question to all in favor of gay marriage: What are your thoughts on polygamy (presuming it's among consentual adults)?

Personally, I can't seen any logically consistent reasons to be against polygamy while still being for gay marriage, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of others on the question.

start another thread......all you are doing is derailing this thread!!
We are not talking about polygamy!!

Do the mods know you're one of them now?
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I don't understand any of the logic behind the opposition to gay marriage.
Once the boomers start their exit from existence and Gen X and later is in control this will not be as much of a problem anymore.

Seems like with every generation a level of social evolution always occurs. It's also happening with religion too. 11% less people in the US believe in God then back in 1989.. that's decent progress

 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: bobcpg
The best rational to NOT let them marry in the eyes of the Gov't is because the Gov't have a duty to make sure we grow and prosper. Like it or not, 2 men or 2 women can not have a baby together. Yeah, women can get artificially pregnant but science proves, as an overall effect, it is best for human kids to grow up with parents of both genders, not to mention its not natural.

link please.

that claim is patently false. The only studies to look at such a thing have shown that by-and-large, children raised by same-sex couples tend to fair significantly better that those raised by an equal sample of hetero couples.

Using science with "prove" simply shows your inability to scrutinize such studies, let alone the interests groups that feed you such misreported data.
 

nageov3t

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the root of the argument against gay marriage is that some/many breeders find the idea of gay sex to be icky.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
I don't understand any of the logic behind the opposition to gay marriage.
Once the boomers start their exit from existence and Gen X and later is in control this will not be as much of a problem anymore.

Seems like with every generation a level of social evolution always occurs. It's also happening with religion too. 11% less people in the US believe in God then back in 1989.. that's decent progress

Yup... We shall overcome.

Regardless of what your viewpoint is on this subject, its only a matter of time before its legal. It will happen, like it or not.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the root of the argument against gay marriage is that some/many breeders find the idea of gay sex to be icky.

I find gay male sex to be "icky" because I am straight. I also find people who pee on each other "icky." I have no desire, however, to limit the rights of either of those people.

Im sure there are plenty of straight males that voted "no" on 8, yet still have no desire to see a sword fight anytime soon.

Point being, I think your hypothesis is incorrect. The root of it is religion and racial pressures in the minority community.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the root of the argument against gay marriage is that some/many breeders find the idea of gay sex to be icky.

My guess is that gay people feel something similar about straight people but they aren't out there trying to eliminate straight marriage. It isn't the icky feeling that is the problem, that may only be a function of sexual orientation, what orients you, but the phenomenal hubris and egotism that translates icky into a need to stamp out what makes folks feel icky. Nobody demands that straights have gay sex. The stupid emotional feeling that gays somehow threaten straights is the cause of the problem. The idea of eating cockroaches gives me the creeps, but I don't have an urge to kill cockroach eaters.
 
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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Sawyer
If you can't allow gays to be married because of religion, then what about atheists, agnostics etc?

Because this is a god fearing country of good honest people founded by christian men under one religion and allowing gays to marry will destroy the very fabric of American society by making my hetro marriage meaningless then in turn causing the final moral decay of our once great Christian nation and opening us up for Moslam domination.

lol, you think that by letting gays marry it will bring in the muslims. Hell we should start letting them marry to keep the muslims out.
We'll all be gay and wear clothing made out of pork.

Anywho.
I don't give to squirts of piss if gay people want to get married. It's a piece of paper. Persoanlly though I think marraige is a bad idea, and if gays want to be open to making the same stupid mistakes the hetro's do then fine. Equal rights for all. Just don't start complaining when you come home to find your husband screwing a woman and you want to divorse him, and since your the man of the relationship you get to pay him alimony and loose half your stuff that you came into the marraige with.

If they allow gay marraige in states that have laws like in texas where anal sex is illegal, will they have to strike those laws from the books?
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the root of the argument against gay marriage is that some/many breeders find the idea of gay sex to be icky.

To be nice that is a copout and you know it!
The whoile root of the issue is 2 fold...that is in the opinion of those who use religious beliefs as a way to defend there prejudice against another group of humans.



 

jonks

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Well it's about time we had a discussion about same sex marriage on here...
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Quick question to all in favor of gay marriage: What are your thoughts on polygamy (presuming it's among consentual adults)?

Personally, I can't seen any logically consistent reasons to be against polygamy while still being for gay marriage, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of others on the question.

start another thread......all you are doing is derailing this thread!!
We are not talking about polygamy!!

Do the mods know you're one of them now?

Did I say i was?? No but the fact remains poligamy and this isssue are not even remotely associated!

Do your parents know you are not in kindergarten?
 

ZzZGuy

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: loki8481
the root of the argument against gay marriage is that some/many breeders find the idea of gay sex to be icky.

I find gay male sex to be "icky" because I am straight. I also find people who pee on each other "icky." I have no desire, however, to limit the rights of either of those people.

Im sure there are plenty of straight males that voted "no" on 8, yet still have no desire to see a sword fight anytime soon.

Point being, I think your hypothesis is incorrect. The root of it is religion and racial pressures in the minority community.

A lot of people also think it's purely a choice, that homosexuals are much more likely to be child molesters, if they raise kids they will be f***ed in the head and also gay, that gays want to make their kids gay, ect ect.

So I think it's a combination of the "icky" factor, ignorance, religion and fear. But I'd put the religious factor way up on the top of the list, followed by the "icky" factor a distant second with ignorance following closely in third place, fear being more hard to rank.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
because if you allow two men to live together, next thing you know it will be a man and horse. it really is the only logical step. (though TBH i dont really see a problem with either)

It might also lead to the birth of the Centaur race, which would be pretty awesome. It'd really revitalize the downtrodden racetrack as an entertainment venue!

Originally posted by: brandonb
It comes down to this. Marriage is a concept from the bible. It's a union between man, woman, and God! Thats the definition. Not a union between man and man or woman and woman and the state.

I am fairly certain that the concept of marriage existed prior to the Bible - even the Bible says as much if I'm remembering correctly. Various forms of government all over the world have always had an interest in population growth by encouraging men and women to wed. Some governments also encouraged male-male relationships.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: brandonb
It really has nothing to do with religion.

Its not bigot Chritians wanting to kick gays in the balls.

It comes down to this. Marriage is a concept from the bible. It's a union between man, woman, and God! Thats the definition. Not a union between man and man or woman and woman and the state.

Secular nations should not even recgonize marriage. Everybody should be just a person. If its for things such as being able to visit your gay partner an emergency room that only married people and relatives can enter, fight the battle at the hospital.

Why is there such a push to allow gays to marry? Who cares?

I missed this before. Marriage is not a concept from the bible. It is a concept IN the bible, but marriage has existed all over the world since before the bible was written, and in cultures that had no exposure to the bible.

If you don't care about gay marriage, then let them get married, eh? I promise they won't do it in your church.
 
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: bobcpg
The best rational to NOT let them marry in the eyes of the Gov't is because the Gov't have a duty to make sure we grow and prosper. Like it or not, 2 men or 2 women can not have a baby together. Yeah, women can get artificially pregnant but science proves, as an overall effect, it is best for human kids to grow up with parents of both genders, not to mention its not natural.

link please.

that claim is patently false. The only studies to look at such a thing have shown that by-and-large, children raised by same-sex couples tend to fair significantly better that those raised by an equal sample of hetero couples.

Using science with "prove" simply shows your inability to scrutinize such studies, let alone the interests groups that feed you such misreported data.

I'd like to see some of these studies. I don't doubt your claim, it's purely for my own edification, and a point I was considering the last time gay marriage was debated here (last week, maybe? It's been so long...). And the point is this:

There's no test for becoming a parent through sexual intercourse. You don't have to put your personal or professional life up for scrutiny to impregnate someone, nor to be impregnated, nor to carry a fetus to term, nor to give birth (well, barring potential harm to the mother or fetus, or in the case of people with developmental disabilities who are impregnated though legally unable to consent to sex). Anyone can have a baby in our society through sex; it's part of living in a free society, and why would we want to stop that?

But gays don't have children through sex (in most cases). Lesbians can use invetro fertilization to conceive, a process which carries strict background checks. Lesbians and gay men alike can also adopt, the route through which most gay couples end up with children. The standards for adoption vary from agency to agency, but every agency has some form of testing to determine whether a potential adoptive family represents a nurturing environment for a child. Often, these tests are extremely thorough, involving looking at a potential family's employment, personal life, educational background, history (criminal records, for example), and every minute detail you can think of. Because many agencies are very selective, the smallest "problem" can effectively ruin a couple's chance to adopt.

What's my point? Well, my point is that because adoptive parents are put through a rigorous screening process that does not exist for birth parents, one would expect that adoptive families would show a higher level of success when raising children. You would also expect a slightly higher level of success because you can't accidentally adopt someone, while we all know about the prevalence of accidental pregnancies; all adoptive parents want to be parents.

Now, the crux of the issue. Since gays and lesbians are largely limited to adoption to get children, we would expect that gay and lesbian families would show slightly higher levels of success than straight couples who conceived the natural way. Obviously success as a family is hard to define, and it really depends on what metric you use, but given that adoptive parents are more likely to be good parents and gays and lesbians are adoptive parents more often than not... well, you make the logical jump.

Is it true? I have no idea. Which is why I'd like to see these studies. What a blow to the notion of "one man, one woman," for a successful family if it is.

PS - :beer: to Harvey for handing me my very first ban on the AT forums (justifiably so), then lifting it so quickly upon further review. The great moderation is just one more reason I like these forums. Keep up the good work! And just so we're clear, no, this is not meant as sarcasm.
 
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