Gay Prop 8 protestors attack Christian Cross.

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


So spin it to me make me understand. Your right I am abby normal by todays standards . But not by standards of 50 years ago. I don't want anypart of what America has become . I told ya befor take GOD out and kill him . I become a very dangerious animal . The proof is in the pudding. Kids killing kids . Its becoming NORMAL . Borden is the only time I can think of befor this generation of Godless Fools. Were this happened and it was her parents she killed. Women wanting to marry women . Men wanting to marry MEN.

I am all for it . UNDER 1 condition . WE seperate . A state for gay men . California. would be fine. For the Woman gays . New YORK state works . NO Women allowed to go to california ever . NO men allowed to go into new york ever. 75 years the problem resolves its self. THATs acceptable if ya want marrage . Well even through in 2 of our MOST corrupt states . I doubt very much you will be fruitful and multiply. But thats your problem .

Where do we put the psycho Christians like yourself?

I vote North Dakota.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Never spoke of apocplypse . That a bit away . But what happens up to that point is of great interest to myself. Youll become a convert . but it won't hold . Were out of the converting business , Were in the time of remorse . For those who don't know what this is . It the ending of an age . A new age is coming . Those who have no self control shall not pass on to the new age. AGE of Aquarius.

But from here on out. Your going to see things that rock your little tiny world. New orleans was nothing . The really good stuff is yet to come . It will happen in rapid fashion.

WTF???:laugh:

Put on your Nikes, comet may return anytime!

You gotta love the Internet, before it's inception the only time you heard from the likes of people like this guy is when you'd be unfortunate to run across them out in the middle of the street with signs proclaiming the end is near.

You haven't heard anything yet . Wait until after January thats when the Witnessing starts.

 

[sandorski]

hehe, can't wait.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


So spin it to me make me understand. Your right I am abby normal by todays standards . But not by standards of 50 years ago. I don't want anypart of what America has become . I told ya befor take GOD out and kill him . I become a very dangerious animal . The proof is in the pudding. Kids killing kids . Its becoming NORMAL . Borden is the only time I can think of befor this generation of Godless Fools. Were this happened and it was her parents she killed. Women wanting to marry women . Men wanting to marry MEN.

I am all for it . UNDER 1 condition . WE seperate . A state for gay men . California. would be fine. For the Woman gays . New YORK state works . NO Women allowed to go to california ever . NO men allowed to go into new york ever. 75 years the problem resolves its self. THATs acceptable if ya want marrage . Well even through in 2 of our MOST corrupt states . I doubt very much you will be fruitful and multiply. But thats your problem .

Where do we put the psycho Christians like yourself?

I vote North Dakota.

I vote for the lions den . I could easily withstand. Oh I forgot I am already in the lions den.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1


So spin it to me make me understand. Your right I am abby normal by todays standards . But not by standards of 50 years ago. I don't want anypart of what America has become . I told ya befor take GOD out and kill him . I become a very dangerious animal . The proof is in the pudding. Kids killing kids . Its becoming NORMAL . Borden is the only time I can think of befor this generation of Godless Fools. Were this happened and it was her parents she killed. Women wanting to marry women . Men wanting to marry MEN.

I am all for it . UNDER 1 condition . WE seperate . A state for gay men . California. would be fine. For the Woman gays . New YORK state works . NO Women allowed to go to california ever . NO men allowed to go into new york ever. 75 years the problem resolves its self. THATs acceptable if ya want marrage . Well even through in 2 of our MOST corrupt states . I doubt very much you will be fruitful and multiply. But thats your problem .

Where do we put the psycho Christians like yourself?

I vote North Dakota.

I vote for the lions den . I could easily withstand. Oh I forgot I am already in the lions den.

I'll bring the popcorn.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Ya talk the talk but as your society and protectors fall apart because of these types of people.

We talk of human rights on the left and right.

But the left talks out both sides of its mouth at same time.

Gay marriage Ha were for it. Obama is for it but the coward wouldn't discuss it because it could hurt his chances of winning. I see NO change same old shit . just differant players. Every human has rights. OK your right.

Aborting babies . Now all of the sudden the left says babies have no rights. Even tho ITS ALIVE. You are some sick people.

When this system falls apart . And the government printing presses can no longer produce anything of value . AND the SS is nolonger in place to serve and protect.

Your in deep trouble . It well be back to the closet for ya were ya belong . Sick people thinking there OK is a laugh. If you guys think were coming out of this thing in a couple of years its laughable. They will try barcoding us . But thats when the right says enough.

Both instances I speak . Are about excepting responsibility for YOUR actions.

A mother has right to abort Baby. Father doesn't have right to stop aborting. This doesn't sound like equal rights to me. Having sex with 16 year old . Man goes to prison 16 yearold Girl had nothing to do withit. Even tho she was willing.
Being gay . First thing is to seek help and try and have your confused minds fixed. You will argue your minds are fine but the proof is in the pudding is it not. Your abby normals. What % of world population is Gay. .05% Seems to me your making alot of noise for such small numbers. If the world as a whole deems you as trouble makers its good bye and I hope you enjoy the company of your master.

Wow dude... just wow

Another loving Christian zealot who has wormed his way in the mouth of God to pretend to have the authority to spew his righteous lust for revenge and retribution on the world that treated him as a worthless piece of shit when he was small. It's his version of a dildo.

Were did ya get that . Not once in this post do a mention Christ . Not once . I only point to what is NORMAL behaviour. If ya want to through mud . Come up with world % of homosexuals as compared to the rest. ABBY NORMALS.

"Normal" behaviour is something you woiuldn't understand.

So spin it to me make me understand. Your right I am abby normal by todays standards . But not by standards of 50 years ago. I don't want anypart of what America has become . I told ya befor take GOD out and kill him . I become a very dangerious animal . The proof is in the pudding. Kids killing kids . Its becoming NORMAL . Borden is the only time I can think of befor this generation of Godless Fools. Were this happened and it was her parents she killed. Women wanting to marry women . Men wanting to marry MEN.

I am all for it . UNDER 1 condition . WE seperate . A state for gay men . California. would be fine. For the Woman gays . New YORK state works . NO Women allowed to go to california ever . NO men allowed to go into new york ever. 75 years the problem resolves its self. THATs acceptable if ya want marrage . Well even through in 2 of our MOST corrupt states . I doubt very much you will be fruitful and multiply. But thats your problem .

So you are a fascist retard with a tenuous grasp of the English language, why should anyone listen to you? This is probably a surprise to you, but people were killing each other long before Lizzie Borden took an axe. You could look up this thing called a history book, unlike the book you are drawing your insanity from, contains things like facts.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You should pay attention more were talking Children killing Children . Please point it out in History were its happened . THe Childrens Crusade doesn't count . That blood souly is on the HRCC. You should also know . 13 was adulthood not that long ago.

Your grammer is good , Your word usage shows what you are . Clearly.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The USSC has restricted every right guaranteed in the bill of rights, what's your point? If the government can show sufficiently compelling interest in restricting one of those rights, it's out the window. While I think women should be drafted the same as men, I can also see how the USSC would find the case for gender specific military regulations a reasonable and compelling one.

I'm still waiting to hear the one for gay marriage. In fact, why don't you try and make it? Give me an argument for banning gay marriage that does not rely on religious prohibition, junk science, or bigotry. Show me empirical evidence for a negative effect on society from it. (feel free to use states/countries where it has been legalized for test cases) If you can show me a compelling reason to deny gays that right, I'll be there with you.

bump for the crickets on a response here.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: ultra laser
Gays aren't tolerant. Like all humans, they just want power for their group.

Or basic equal rights.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Ya talk the talk but as your society and protectors fall apart because of these types of people.

We talk of human rights on the left and right.

But the left talks out both sides of its mouth at same time.

Gay marriage Ha were for it. Obama is for it but the coward wouldn't discuss it because it could hurt his chances of winning. I see NO change same old shit . just differant players. Every human has rights. OK your right.

Aborting babies . Now all of the sudden the left says babies have no rights. Even tho ITS ALIVE. You are some sick people.

When this system falls apart . And the government printing presses can no longer produce anything of value . AND the SS is nolonger in place to serve and protect.

Your in deep trouble . It well be back to the closet for ya were ya belong . Sick people thinking there OK is a laugh. If you guys think were coming out of this thing in a couple of years its laughable. They will try barcoding us . But thats when the right says enough.

So you covered gay marriage, abortion and the coming apocolypse in your rant! Maybe you should try having an original thought, then try typing it out in a way that people can actually understand. Work on that for a while and come back when you have that figured out.

Never spoke of apocplypse . That a bit away . But what happens up to that point is of great interest to myself. Youll become a convert . but it won't hold . Were out of the converting business , Were in the time of remorse . For those who don't know what this is . It the ending of an age . A new age is coming . Those who have no self control shall not pass on to the new age. AGE of Aquarius.

But from here on out. Your going to see things that rock your little tiny world. New orleans was nothing . The really good stuff is yet to come . It will happen in rapid fashion.

You can barely type out a complete sentence yet you seem to think that you are intelligent. You remind me of this guy, bushy, who used to hang out around my work and claim he drove a mercedes and went to harvard even though his iq was about 65 and he definitely didn't have a drivers license. He wasn't even worth calling bullshit on because he was a harmless invalid, until one day he groped some 12 year old in a store next door. Cops came and took him away and I never saw him again after that. So your future is groping little children, I'm sorry , for the children not you.

As for rocking my world, only my girlfriend does that. I guarantee you that my "tiny world" is infinitely more complex than your fantasy you seem to exist in.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

So spin it to me make me understand. Your right I am abby normal by todays standards . But not by standards of 50 years ago. I don't want anypart of what America has become . I told ya befor take GOD out and kill him . I become a very dangerious animal . The proof is in the pudding. Kids killing kids . Its becoming NORMAL . Borden is the only time I can think of befor this generation of Godless Fools. Were this happened and it was her parents she killed. Women wanting to marry women . Men wanting to marry MEN.

I am all for it . UNDER 1 condition . WE seperate . A state for gay men . California. would be fine. For the Woman gays . New YORK state works . NO Women allowed to go to california ever . NO men allowed to go into new york ever. 75 years the problem resolves its self. THATs acceptable if ya want marrage . Well even through in 2 of our MOST corrupt states . I doubt very much you will be fruitful and multiply. But thats your problem .

Is English your second or third language? I don't want to mistake your lack of understanding of the U.S. Constitution and overall idiocy with your apparent functional illiteracy.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: K1052

Where do we put the psycho Christians like yourself?

I vote North Dakota.

I vote for the lions den . I could easily withstand. Oh I forgot I am already in the lions den.

Here's a source for catnip toys. Here, kitty, kitty, kitty... :laugh:

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Ya talk the talk but as your society and protectors fall apart because of these types of people.

We talk of human rights on the left and right.

But the left talks out both sides of its mouth at same time.

Gay marriage Ha were for it. Obama is for it but the coward wouldn't discuss it because it could hurt his chances of winning. I see NO change same old shit . just differant players. Every human has rights. OK your right.

Aborting babies . Now all of the sudden the left says babies have no rights. Even tho ITS ALIVE. You are some sick people.

When this system falls apart . And the government printing presses can no longer produce anything of value . AND the SS is nolonger in place to serve and protect.

Your in deep trouble . It well be back to the closet for ya were ya belong . Sick people thinking there OK is a laugh. If you guys think were coming out of this thing in a couple of years its laughable. They will try barcoding us . But thats when the right says enough.

So you covered gay marriage, abortion and the coming apocolypse in your rant! Maybe you should try having an original thought, then try typing it out in a way that people can actually understand. Work on that for a while and come back when you have that figured out.

Never spoke of apocplypse . That a bit away . But what happens up to that point is of great interest to myself. Youll become a convert . but it won't hold . Were out of the converting business , Were in the time of remorse . For those who don't know what this is . It the ending of an age . A new age is coming . Those who have no self control shall not pass on to the new age. AGE of Aquarius.

But from here on out. Your going to see things that rock your little tiny world. New orleans was nothing . The really good stuff is yet to come . It will happen in rapid fashion.

You can barely type out a complete sentence yet you seem to think that you are intelligent. You remind me of this guy, bushy, who used to hang out around my work and claim he drove a mercedes and went to harvard even though his iq was about 65 and he definitely didn't have a drivers license. He wasn't even worth calling bullshit on because he was a harmless invalid, until one day he groped some 12 year old in a store next door. Cops came and took him away and I never saw him again after that. So your future is groping little children, I'm sorry , for the children not you.

As for rocking my world, only my girlfriend does that. I guarantee you that my "tiny world" is infinitely more complex than your fantasy you seem to exist in.

I defer to higher intelligents such as yourself . LOL.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: loki8481
maybe if the church would accept gays, they'd know something about turning the other cheek.

Or maybe if gays accepted the truth about sin, no one would have to turn the other cheek.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: loki8481
maybe if the church would accept gays, they'd know something about turning the other cheek.

Or maybe if gays accepted the truth about sin, no one would have to turn the other cheek.

Classy you aint. Oh, and Jesus hates you, he told me so.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: loki8481
maybe if the church would accept gays, they'd know something about turning the other cheek.

Or maybe if gays accepted the truth about sin, no one would have to turn the other cheek.

Classy you aint. Oh, and Jesus hates you, he told me so.

Jesus doesn't hate gays, never did, but he does reject their sin, just like anyone else who lives in sin. You can either accept the sin or Jesus, but you can't have both.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: loki8481
maybe if the church would accept gays, they'd know something about turning the other cheek.

Or maybe if gays accepted the truth about sin, no one would have to turn the other cheek.

Classy you aint. Oh, and Jesus hates you, he told me so.

Jesus doesn't hate gays, never did, but he does reject their sin, just like anyone else who lives in sin. You can either accept the sin or Jesus, but you can't have both.

And leprechauns hate cheese. You are talking about controlling people's lives based on a historical novel. Arthur Clarke predicted that in the future, the religiously devout of earlier centuries will be viewed as acting under a mass delusion or psychosis. He did predict space sattelite technology correctly so I guess he's going to go 2 for 2.

Oh, and hat tip: in this country we don't legislate based on sin, that'd be the theocratic nations on the other side of the planet that we refer to as "the bad people."

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
You haven't got a clue what your asking. SEX between same sex is a SICKNESS its not normal . Is what your asking is the people who aren't sick except the sickness in there midst.So that it can grow and prosper. Just so they can feel better about themselves . LOL The only way this will be resolved is threw villance. Sick christians killing even sicker none christians.

What?

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Never spoke of apocplypse . That a bit away . But what happens up to that point is of great interest to myself. Youll become a convert . but it won't hold . Were out of the converting business , Were in the time of remorse . For those who don't know what this is . It the ending of an age . A new age is coming . Those who have no self control shall not pass on to the new age. AGE of Aquarius.

But from here on out. Your going to see things that rock your little tiny world. New orleans was nothing . The really good stuff is yet to come . It will happen in rapid fashion.

:laugh:

 

[cruzer]

The Mormons should fight back by asking why polygamy is not legal.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: classy

Jesus doesn't hate gays, never did, but he does reject their sin, just like anyone else who lives in sin. You can either accept the sin or Jesus, but you can't have both.

Waiter... I'll have a double of both, and hold the ooga booga mystery oil deities. :laugh:

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The USSC has restricted every right guaranteed in the bill of rights, what's your point? If the government can show sufficiently compelling interest in restricting one of those rights, it's out the window. While I think women should be drafted the same as men, I can also see how the USSC would find the case for gender specific military regulations a reasonable and compelling one.

I'm still waiting to hear the one for gay marriage. In fact, why don't you try and make it? Give me an argument for banning gay marriage that does not rely on religious prohibition, junk science, or bigotry. Show me empirical evidence for a negative effect on society from it. (feel free to use states/countries where it has been legalized for test cases) If you can show me a compelling reason to deny gays that right, I'll be there with you.

bump for the crickets on a response here.

I'll bite. These are my reasons for which I disagree with gay marriage. I'll argue as if I represent society.

Question: What is the real purpose of marriage? If we don't define this, then we can't argue for whom it should be granted and whom it should not.

My opinion, which is backed up in the field, is that marriage's highest purpose is to provide a stable environment for the raising of children, which is good for society. Studies have proven that children born out of wedlock, or at least without one of the parents, are born behind the 8 ball. Surely, marriage is about partnership, but I believe this to be secondary to child-bearing, especially as far as a society is concerned. I bet Darwin would agree with me on that.

From this I conclude that a gay relationship, which is naturally unable to produce children (although they may adopt), is useless to society. Now, in the case of adopted children....

Question #2: What is the real purpose of sex?

My opinion, which is again backed up in the real world, is that from a strictly societal viewpoint, sex is good for only one thing: propogation of the species and expansion of society, in that sex produces offspring. If this is true, then it's very easy to classify not just gay marriage, but gay behavior itself as useless, and hence a detrimental attitude to be passed onto adopted children. Now, no one can prove that gay parents will produce a gay child, but it seems reasonable to assume that the parents lifestyle will certainly project itself onto the child in some manifestation.

You may dismiss this and ask the same question I like to ask to abortionists: "On what basis do you deny a right to some and not to others?" The answer to me is plain. For the reasons made above, marriage is not a right. It is something that society creates in its own interest.

 

[filetitan]

causing traffic and abnormal behavior is sure not going to change my mind towards where I stand on this issue. Atreus21 good post, I completely agree with you.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: filetitan
causing traffic and abnormal behavior is sure not going to change my mind towards where I stand on this issue. Atreus21 good post, I completely agree with you.

You demand your right to dictate to others their rights.:roll:

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: eskimospy
The USSC has restricted every right guaranteed in the bill of rights, what's your point? If the government can show sufficiently compelling interest in restricting one of those rights, it's out the window. While I think women should be drafted the same as men, I can also see how the USSC would find the case for gender specific military regulations a reasonable and compelling one.

I'm still waiting to hear the one for gay marriage. In fact, why don't you try and make it? Give me an argument for banning gay marriage that does not rely on religious prohibition, junk science, or bigotry. Show me empirical evidence for a negative effect on society from it. (feel free to use states/countries where it has been legalized for test cases) If you can show me a compelling reason to deny gays that right, I'll be there with you.

bump for the crickets on a response here.

I'll bite. These are my reasons for which I disagree with gay marriage. I'll argue as if I represent society.

Question: What is the real purpose of marriage? If we don't define this, then we can't argue for whom it should be granted and whom it should not.

My opinion, which is backed up in the field, is that marriage's highest purpose is to provide a stable environment for the raising of children, which is good for society. Studies have proven that children born out of wedlock, or at least without one of the parents, are born behind the 8 ball. Surely, marriage is about partnership, but I believe this to be secondary to child-bearing, especially as far as a society is concerned. I bet Darwin would agree with me on that.

From this I conclude that a gay relationship, which is naturally unable to produce children (although they may adopt), is useless to society. Now, in the case of adopted children....

Question #2: What is the real purpose of sex?

My opinion, which is again backed up in the real world, is that from a strictly societal viewpoint, sex is good for only one thing: propogation of the species and expansion of society, in that sex produces offspring. If this is true, then it's very easy to classify not just gay marriage, but gay behavior itself as useless, and hence a detrimental attitude to be passed onto adopted children. Now, no one can prove that gay parents will produce a gay child, but it seems reasonable to assume that the parents lifestyle will certainly project itself onto the child in some manifestation.

You may dismiss this and ask the same question I like to ask to abortionists: "On what basis do you deny a right to some and not to others?" The answer to me is plain. For the reasons made above, marriage is not a right. It is something that society creates in its own interest.

The problem with your argument is that we are facing critical overpopulation in many parts of the world. Keeping people in happy relationships without adding to the problem of overpopulation, while also helping to take care of unwanted children, is a win win win.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Show me empirical evidence for a negative effect on society from it. (feel free to use states/countries where it has been legalized for test cases) If you can show me a compelling reason to deny gays that right, I'll be there with you.[/b]

I'll bite. These are my reasons for which I disagree with gay marriage. I'll argue as if I represent society.

Question: What is the real purpose of marriage? If we don't define this, then we can't argue for whom it should be granted and whom it should not.

My opinion, which is backed up in the field, is that marriage's highest purpose is to provide a stable environment for the raising of children, which is good for society. Studies have proven that children born out of wedlock, or at least without one of the parents, are born behind the 8 ball. Surely, marriage is about partnership, but I believe this to be secondary to child-bearing, especially as far as a society is concerned. I bet Darwin would agree with me on that.

From this I conclude that a gay relationship, which is naturally unable to produce children (although they may adopt), is useless to society. Now, in the case of adopted children....

Question #2: What is the real purpose of sex?

My opinion, which is again backed up in the real world, is that from a strictly societal viewpoint, sex is good for only one thing: propogation of the species and expansion of society, in that sex produces offspring. If this is true, then it's very easy to classify not just gay marriage, but gay behavior itself as useless, and hence a detrimental attitude to be passed onto adopted children. Now, no one can prove that gay parents will produce a gay child, but it seems reasonable to assume that the parents lifestyle will certainly project itself onto the child in some manifestation.

You may dismiss this and ask the same question I like to ask to abortionists: "On what basis do you deny a right to some and not to others?" The answer to me is plain. For the reasons made above, marriage is not a right. It is something that society creates in its own interest.

I don't see anything in your answer that could be considered a compelling reason as to why gays should be denied marriage. You also pose a few troubling positions.

1) Marriage is a stable environment for raising children.

I guess so, though plenty of single parents succeed and there's no law preventing adoption by single parents if they are financially able to care for a child (EDIT: actually Arkansas just passed a referendum that only married couples could adopt children, and combined with the ban on gay marriage, the goal was to prevent gay couples from adopting. Congratulations Arkansas, you just consigned orphans and adopted children to foster homes and orphanages rather than to a couple who wants a child and is willing to go through a government process to get one. Meanwhile, countless children are born to accidental parents and couples who don't want them in the first place.)

Still, how does this argue against 2 gay people who want to get married and provide such a "stable environment" so they can raise a child? Seems to me that by preventing gay marriage you are also limiting the number of stable homes that could raise a child. Unless you are arguing that a married gay couple cannot provide a stable home environment, something that has been refuted by every independent study.

2) Sex is only for procreation

I'm not sure where you are going with that. "From a societal point sex is only good for procreation." Really? I think the reason so many people blow themselves up in the ME is because they are sexually repressed. Happy people getting laid regularly generally do not blow themselves up. I'd say a healthy sexual relationship is a net benefit to society because it keeps people sane. Mankind has been having sex for pleasure and celebration since the beginning of our existence. Fundamentalist types may claim religion dictates otherwise, but most reasonable clergy will tell you that sex is a gift from god, and they don't mean only for the babymaking. And you've lost me on how this point relates at all to gay marriage. Something about gay people being useless?

Eskimo's question is basically rhetorical because while it invites rational answers on how gay marriage contributes anything negative to society, let alone anything negative enough to pass laws preventing it, it anticipates that there are no such rational answers. After watching this debate for the past several months and god knows how many threads on here, we still haven't seen one compelling thing, not one freaking thing, that makes you sit back and say "huh, yeah, that IS bad, maybe we need to take a serious look at stopping that." If I'd never heard of abortion before and someone said, "you know they want to kill unborn babies?" I might really be interested in hearing that side of the argument. But there is no "there" there with gay marriage. It relies solely on cultural and generation uncomfortableness with homosexuality (and a healthy dose of religious intolerance and ignorant bigotry), and it is on the losing side of history, as all repressive movements are.