Gay rights protesters disrupt Sunday service

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

Yeah those darned Salvation army workers, the nuns tending to lepers in Calcutta, the 3 million children supported by World Vision - those Christians sure deserve something all right.

you my friend misunderstood what Moonbeam was saying!!
True Bible bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays and those who woul;d disagree with them!!

Those who are like Sister theresa and other who feed the poor and comfort the afflicted have no time to cause tremendous violence against others....why??
Because they are actually Loving there neighbor as themselves..regardless of sexual persuasion!!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

Yeah those darned Salvation army workers, the nuns tending to lepers in Calcutta, the 3 million children supported by World Vision - those Christians sure deserve something all right.

you my friend misunderstood what Moonbeam was saying!!
True Bible bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays and those who woul;d disagree with them!!

Those who are like Sister theresa and other who feed the poor and comfort the afflicted have no time to cause tremendous violence against others....why??
Because they are actually Loving there neighbor as themselves..regardless of sexual persuasion!!

DAMN FINE POST... Christians are told Jesus Loves them unconditionally and that they are all children of God and that they should not judge and they should love thy brothers and sisters as he loves them..

Like I said many times.. these Kooks who think it is ok to keep judging their fellow brothers and sisters in this way.. will have to pay when they meet him for real

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

Yeah those darned Salvation army workers, the nuns tending to lepers in Calcutta, the 3 million children supported by World Vision - those Christians sure deserve something all right.

you my friend misunderstood what Moonbeam was saying!!
True Bible bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays and those who woul;d disagree with them!!

Those who are like Sister theresa and other who feed the poor and comfort the afflicted have no time to cause tremendous violence against others....why??
Because they are actually Loving there neighbor as themselves..regardless of sexual persuasion!!

DAMN FINE POST... Christians are told Jesus Loves them unconditionally and that they are all children of God and that they should not judge and they should love thy brothers and sisters as he loves them..

Like I said many times.. these Kooks who think it is ok to keep judging their fellow brothers and sisters in this way.. will have to pay when they meet him for real

Take one reli-freak down, and 50 more appear out of nowhere...

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: senseamp
http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Posi...4181_homosexuality.pdf
That is religious foundation for denying gays the right to get married that this ministries teaches.

No disagreement there. However, you still need to show me where "the church is instructing their flock to vote for denying gays the same rights that they have."

This topic (religion in politics) came up a few weeks ago and one of the people involved was a churchgoer. He said they never said how to vote but asked the congregation to 'remember the bible'. I'll ask you, what is the position of 'the bible' regarding same sex marriages?

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

Yeah those darned Salvation army workers, the nuns tending to lepers in Calcutta, the 3 million children supported by World Vision - those Christians sure deserve something all right.

Don't mind Moonbeam, he doesnt know this has already happened to Christians for thousands of years, on and off.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: senseamp
http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Posi...4181_homosexuality.pdf
That is religious foundation for denying gays the right to get married that this ministries teaches.

No disagreement there. However, you still need to show me where "the church is instructing their flock to vote for denying gays the same rights that they have."

This topic (religion in politics) came up a few weeks ago and one of the people involved was a churchgoer. He said they never said how to vote but asked the congregation to 'remember the bible'. I'll ask you, what is the position of 'the bible' regarding same sex marriages?

Telling your congregation to vote what you believe the Bible says isn't "instructing their flock to vote for denying gays the same rights that they have."

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

Yeah those darned Salvation army workers, the nuns tending to lepers in Calcutta, the 3 million children supported by World Vision - those Christians sure deserve something all right.

you my friend misunderstood what Moonbeam was saying!!
True Bible bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays and those who woul;d disagree with them!!

1 - Define a "Bible Bigot"

2 - Links showing the "tremendous violence" inflicted on gays today?

 

[whylaff]

The Bible needs to be used as a point of reference when establishing laws or putting forth ballot initiatives more often.

Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm all for gay marriage, but I'm pretty damn sure this form of protest didn't gain them any additional support... if anything, it will likely result in even more religious folks jumping up to fight against gay marriage. And, trust me, that's a sleeping giant the gays don't want to wake. What they've seen so far is mild to what they'd see if they accidentally anger the entire religious community. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but I'm pretty sure religious folks outnumber gays by a very large margin.

Right or wrong, there are much better ways to make their point...

This. The last thing the Gays want to do is make their Christian opponents feel like they're the martyrs.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Uhh, did you miss all of the links that I posted or did you just conveniently ignore them?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

Yeah those darned Salvation army workers, the nuns tending to lepers in Calcutta, the 3 million children supported by World Vision - those Christians sure deserve something all right.

Don't mind Moonbeam, he doesnt know this has already happened to Christians for thousands of years, on and off.

*sniffles*

Obviously didn't learn anything all those times.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

Yeah those darned Salvation army workers, the nuns tending to lepers in Calcutta, the 3 million children supported by World Vision - those Christians sure deserve something all right.

Don't mind Moonbeam, he doesnt know this has already happened to Christians for thousands of years, on and off.

I'm sure all the civilizations Christianity has destroyed over the centuries are very sympathetic.

 

[DealMonkey]

Again Corbett, it appears you've confused a non-violent protest for intolerance.

You should go look the word up again, because it clearly doesn't apply. Protesting != intolerance. In fact, since you've suggested it, you should now show us clearly how these protestors wish to prohibit the religious practices or otherwise discriminate against the good folks of Mount Hope Church?

I know you don't really care about this topic, but you have an obligation to support your claims either way.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm all for gay marriage, but I'm pretty damn sure this form of protest didn't gain them any additional support... if anything, it will likely result in even more religious folks jumping up to fight against gay marriage. And, trust me, that's a sleeping giant the gays don't want to wake. What they've seen so far is mild to what they'd see if they accidentally anger the entire religious community. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but I'm pretty sure religious folks outnumber gays by a very large margin.

Right or wrong, there are much better ways to make their point...

lol can you imagine if those gay people tried to pull a stunt like this in Iran?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

You should go to Africa or the Middle East sometime. They get more creative than being dragged to death behind cars, especially since cars aren't as readily available, but make no mistake, there are killings every day.

Fact that you dismiss it as if it isn't happening, shows either stupidity or malice. So Moonbeam, do you wish the wheel to go 'round? Cause if it's violence you want......

In fact, given the tone of the protestor?s supporters here in this thread, it sounds like you?re all chomping at the bit to get down to business. Be careful what you wish for. It doesn?t take much to set of a powder keg like our current economy. There?s no telling when your hostility will grow beyond just being an undertone and spill over into action.

You would do well to remember it is the will of the majority that the traditional marriage be upheld. If anything you should protest government intervention and involvement with marriage. Marriage should be nothing more than the name given to a union, in which case tradition would be upheld and equality given to all. If that?s what you really wanted, but then you couldn?t preach of violence going around.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: between
there have been hundreds of protests across the USA over the last week in support of gay marriage, involving tens of thousands of supporters. most of these events took place with no violence or angry confrontations. you seem to be latching on to the slightest sign of extremist elements in the gay community as proof that all gay people are "intolerant", conveniently ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people participating in recent protests are gentle, mainstream gays who simply want the right to marry their partner.

Nice try but I've never said that. What I HAVE said is that the people who are protesting that act like this in fact, hypocrites.

Yes, but what is your purpose for positing this? What are you trying to prove and why?

Based on earlier posts, you are not gay... so how is this effecting you and why are you involved enough in the issue to post this?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: between
there have been hundreds of protests across the USA over the last week in support of gay marriage, involving tens of thousands of supporters. most of these events took place with no violence or angry confrontations. you seem to be latching on to the slightest sign of extremist elements in the gay community as proof that all gay people are "intolerant", conveniently ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people participating in recent protests are gentle, mainstream gays who simply want the right to marry their partner.

Nice try but I've never said that. What I HAVE said is that the people who are protesting that act like this in fact, hypocrites.

Yes, but what is your purpose for positing this? What are you trying to prove and why?

Based on earlier posts, you are not gay... so how is this effecting you and why are you involved enough in the issue to post this?

I think he feels Christians are being unfairly persecuted for their unfair persecution.

 

[jonks]

Millions of gays in California? Check.
Tiny minority engaging in inappropriate form of protest? Check
Corbett thread attemping to impute the behavior of the blade of grass to the entire field? Check

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm all for gay marriage, but I'm pretty damn sure this form of protest didn't gain them any additional support... if anything, it will likely result in even more religious folks jumping up to fight against gay marriage. And, trust me, that's a sleeping giant the gays don't want to wake. What they've seen so far is mild to what they'd see if they accidentally anger the entire religious community. I'm not sure of the exact figures, but I'm pretty sure religious folks outnumber gays by a very large margin.

Right or wrong, there are much better ways to make their point...

Agreed, Although I'm sure gays are tired of being treated like sub-humans at every turn by the supossed tolerant evangelical christians of this country, this is not the way to move your cause forward.

I don't really see the point in peaceful street protesting either. It doesn't change anybody's mind, it just preaches to the converted; at best it could be argued to raise some awareness and allows gays and allies to let off some frustration.

What I would rather see instead:

- more initiatives to propose state and federal level non-discrimination laws. Many people do not realize that you can legally be fired in many states for being openly gay.

-dissemination of concise literature via bulletin boards and info booths with information and websites that make reasoned and logical arguments rather than pleading victimhood.

-televised debate of the issue with reasonable participants- not just "taking it for granted intelligent people agree with us" jokes on The Daily Show, or the usual sideshow people (Big Gay Al versus Bible Beatin' Betty, neither of whom seem capable of even recognizing a good argument to support their cause) on pseudojournalist cable news shows but actual coherent, informed people capable of reasoned discussion and not emotional appeals and ranting

-perhaps the biggest one- More people need to know who Paul Cameron is and his studies. Which are at the bottom of the vast majority if not all "studies show gays are 482% more likely to murder their partners while strung out on heroine after molesting their foster children" arguments. They are complete and total BULLSHIT. Even Bill Bennett , a conservative opponent of gay marriage and gay adoption, apologized for using one of Cameron's studies once it was brought to his attention, and he's so easily refuted that to google his name brings up refutation sites before his own site, and yet Arkansas and other states have used his "studies" to ban gays being adoptive or foster parents.

I haven't met many gays who know who Cameron and the Family Research Institute are, and watching Anderson Cooper the other night a FRI spokesperson was brought on as if he was representing a genuine organization that isn't just stricly organized to fund homophobic bullshit studies. The opposing guy tried to bring this up but it's hard to do in a 3 second soundbyte. I wish that Cooper or John Stossel or even O'Reilly (who is fairly moderate on gay issues) or The Daily Show even would do an expose to expose and dispel the lies of this one organization, because while the Phelps's give better geek show airplay they're no real danger except to perhaps a few people whose relative's funerals they picket; Nobody takes the Phelp's seriously, but they take Cameron seriously.

The Cameron issue should be a big one with the Gay community because while Phelps is a total nutcase and identified as such even by most hardcore evangelicals, Cameron is fucking dangerous and has done and continues to do real and widespread legal harm. The man was censured and expelled from the American Psychological Association not for "challenging the orthodoxy" as he and some of his supporters claim but for demonstrable LYING in his research and making fraudulent claims. No respected peer-reviewed psychology or child development or sociology publications have ever published his works- they're published in vanity publications like Adolescence (a journal whose peer review process is "did the check clear?" and that Cameron himself has slammed) or in pamphlet forms published by Cameron's own institute, and while he usually has copious endnotes and bibliographies the incendiary claims made are all self referential;

for example, he'll cite a study that shows gays are 10 x more likely to be pedophiles or commit domestic violence but never mention that:

1- he himself wrote that study

2- the means and methods of his statistical analysis are somewhere between ridiculous and flat out made-up

3- not a single solitary statistical sociological study ever undertaken by any researchers who were not funded by and in the employ of an ultra-right wing homophobic organization have ever demonstrated anything remotely similar and

4- in fact the studies that have been undertaken by respectable and objective researchers at top level research institutes in the U.S. and abroad have show demonstrably the opposite (gays are less likely to be pedophiles or to commit domestic violence and that children raised by lesbian and gay male couples have no more gender confusion and are no more likely to be gay themselves than children raised by heterosexual couples or single parents).

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Again, just more proof that Corbett can't tell the difference between a majority of people being intolerant and a handful of other people being intolerant.

You have to feel sorry for his ass.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bible Bigots have caused tremendous violence in the world against gays. The wheel of karma rolls on. What goes around comes around. One day Christians will be dragged to death behind cars because of the perversion they bring to the world.

You should go to Africa or the Middle East sometime. They get more creative than being dragged to death behind cars, especially since cars aren't as readily available, but make no mistake, there are killings every day.

Fact that you dismiss it as if it isn't happening, shows either stupidity or malice. So Moonbeam, do you wish the wheel to go 'round? Cause if it's violence you want......

In fact, given the tone of the protestor?s supporters here in this thread, it sounds like you?re all chomping at the bit to get down to business. Be careful what you wish for. It doesn?t take much to set of a powder keg like our current economy. There?s no telling when your hostility will grow beyond just being an undertone and spill over into action.

You would do well to remember it is the will of the majority that the traditional marriage be upheld. If anything you should protest government intervention and involvement with marriage. Marriage should be nothing more than the name given to a union, in which case tradition would be upheld and equality given to all. If that?s what you really wanted, but then you couldn?t preach of violence going around.

What a thinly veiled threat that was! Congrats!

But, you know, your mom could unravel the logical fallacy of your post with merely a few words: if ALL of your friends jumped off a cliff, would you jump too? Cliche yes, but quite true. A majority means nothing when the majority is wrong.

 

[FiddleDD]

Chuck Norris Speaks Out

My sentiments exactly!

 

[Moonbeam]

Jaskalas: You should go to Africa or the Middle East sometime. They get more creative than being dragged to death behind cars, especially since cars aren't as readily available, but make no mistake, there are killings every day.

Fact that you dismiss it as if it isn't happening, shows either stupidity or malice.

M: Did you by any chance notice that we were talking about an event taking place here and now in this country and that, therefore, my reply was about this country too?

J: So Moonbeam, do you wish the wheel to go 'round? Cause if it's violence you want......

M: You mistake what I wish with what I see. I held up a mirror for Christians so they could see their part in what happens. Do evil, get evil back. It is how it is, not how I wish it.

J: In fact, given the tone of the protestor?s supporters here in this thread, it sounds like you?re all chomping at the bit to get down to business. Be careful what you wish for. It doesn?t take much to set of a powder keg like our current economy. There?s no telling when your hostility will grow beyond just being an undertone and spill over into action.

M: What will be will be. What you fear is your own hostility. It is the source of your paranoia. Your feelings of self hate are a tremendous threat to you because you know nothing about them and are terrified to feel them. I didn't have your luxury.

J: You would do well to remember it is the will of the majority that the traditional marriage be upheld. If anything you should protest government intervention and involvement with marriage. Marriage should be nothing more than the name given to a union, in which case tradition would be upheld and equality given to all. If that?s what you really wanted, but then you couldn?t preach of violence going around.

M: You would do well to stay off the tracks of Love because it's a mighty engine that's driving that train and any trying to stop it will be flattened.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
Chuck Norris Speaks Out

My sentiments exactly!

Man, you REALLY wanted to let people know what Chuck Norris thinks didn't you? Our good friend Chuck also believes in intelligent design.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: FiddleDD
Chuck Norris Speaks Out

My sentiments exactly!

He is wrong. So are you.

That is my sentiment.